Rebel Virginia Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) Alright, after having reviewed the chain of events leading up to this unfortunate situation, I have this clarification on my earlier statement to add:You know who you are. You know what you did. When I find you, you will wish you had not. How about you tell us what this is about? This secrecy over the matter really does remind me of the days of the NPO and Co. where they felt they didn't need to explain why they were pummeling an innocent party into the ground. We just had to take their word for it that it was only with the best intentions at heart, and a matter of alliance security. So, what secret is so vital to RIA's well being that it cannot be made? Is this, a rogue? A spy? Or did he make a dreaded (OOC: *gasp* OOC ATTACK!!! *gasp* /OOC)? I really can't think of any reason why you should be keeping a secret, besides the fact that Penkala made a big mistake and is using more force than necessary against his victim, and the RIA doesn't want to admit that. Instead you hide your wrongdoings in the hope that we will not notice. Well too bad sweetheart, I know everything. You can't slip a thing past me, and you can be sure I won't let this be the end of it. I shall let no injustice go unforgotten, and that is a promise. Edited November 19, 2009 by Rebel Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Mockingbird Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 An OOC attack is no justification for IC action, nuking a defenseless nation that you've already stolen off, shame on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero-One Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 An OOC attack is no justification for IC action, nuking a defenseless nation that you've already stolen off, shame on you. Is your memory span really the length of a loaf of bread, or do I need to rehash the history of the previous wars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 How about you tell us what this is about? This secrecy over the matter really does remind me of the days of the NPO and Co. where they felt they didn't need to explain why they were pummeling an innocent party into the ground. We just had to take their word for it that it was only with the best intentions at heart, and a matter of alliance security. So, what secret is so vital to RIA's well being that it cannot be made? Is this, a rogue? A spy? Or did he make a dreaded (OOC: *gasp* OOC ATTACK!!! *gasp* /OOC)? I really can't think of any reason why you should be keeping a secret, besides the fact that Penkala made a big mistake and is using more force than necessary against his victim, and the RIA doesn't want to admit that. Instead you hide your wrongdoings in the hope that we will not notice. Well too bad sweetheart, I know everything. You can't slip a thing past me, and you can be sure I won't let this be the end of it. I shall let know injustice go unforgotten, and that is a promise. Don't ever change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Is your memory span really the length of a loaf of bread, or do I need to rehash the history of the previous wars? Tequila Mockingbird may not view those wars as just, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Don't ever change. Well then, how about you, instead of making childish remarks that you think are clever (ha ha ha) simply answer my question. What is so secretive that RIA cannot bear to tell us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Let me help you with thisBolded my addition to help you comprehend the situation. Someone else made the threats (or whatever was done) under the nick of the person penkala was at war with. That was exactly the same as I said, thanks for trying. Delta came out and said what Penkala did was not okay and will have his raiding freedom restricted. Which means there is some sort of jurisdiction inside RIA taking care of such things. Athens government just clearly stated that they dont give a damn about what everyone else thinks and that they are gonna raid that alliance and if people cared they should "do something about it".No, i dont think this was worse. One could converse about the fact that RIA is techraiding, but thats all there is to it. Oh yes, I will agree with you that the way Delta reacted to this was praiseworthy but he came to this thread too late. The damage was then already done by several other RIA members (hopefully not RIA government) trying to justify Penkala's nuke and claiming that what Penkala did was not hypocrite at all. Also I think Penkala's response to this was even worse than the way Athens responded. Refusing to give a logical explanation to an absurd techraid while he himself wanted a logical explanation when Athens (absurdly) techraided Ni!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) Well then, how about you, instead of making childish remarks that you think are clever (ha ha ha) simply answer my question. What is so secretive that RIA cannot bear to tell us? What secrets? I already explained what I was refering to in the post you quoted. Edited November 19, 2009 by Delta1212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 This topic certainly got cute in a hurry. Good luck to everyone etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choader Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Is your memory span really the length of a loaf of bread, or do I need to rehash the history of the previous wars? Doesn't make it right. I have to admit that this topic was the perfect ending for my day. Good show all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 What secrets? I already explained what I was refering to in the post you quoted. Did you? Then how come I don't see anything, and how come you were so vague earlier? Forgive me for saying this, but some things just don't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) For those who don't feel like reading the thread thus far, I shall recap. Penkala's actions broke several of our guidelines, one written directly into our charter. He had privileges restricted as a result. The only reason I am still paying attention to this situation is that someone pretended to be the raid victim and goaded Penkala into nuking, presumably with this as the intent. This does not change the fact that Penkala broke our guidelines, but nor does that absolve the culprit from responsibility and I will find out who it was. If you still have an axe to grind, do it on someone else. I am going to bed. Edit: Auto-spell correct is annoyingly wrong. Edited November 19, 2009 by Delta1212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 How about you tell us what this is about? This secrecy over the matter really does remind me of the days of the NPO and Co. where they felt they didn't need to explain why they were pummeling an innocent party into the ground. We just had to take their word for it that it was only with the best intentions at heart, and a matter of alliance security. So, what secret is so vital to RIA's well being that it cannot be made? Is this, a rogue? A spy? Or did he make a dreaded (OOC: *gasp* OOC ATTACK!!! *gasp* /OOC)? I really can't think of any reason why you should be keeping a secret, besides the fact that Penkala made a big mistake and is using more force than necessary against his victim, and the RIA doesn't want to admit that. Instead you hide your wrongdoings in the hope that we will not notice. Well too bad sweetheart, I know everything. You can't slip a thing past me, and you can be sure I won't let this be the end of it. I shall let know injustice go unforgotten, and that is a promise. Now this is interesting, you seem to know something the public doesnt. Care to enlighten us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 For those who don't feel lime reading the thread thus far, I shall recap. Penkala's actions broke several of our guidelines, one written directly into our charter. He had privileges restricted as a result. The only reason I am still paying attention to this situation is that someone pretended to be the raid victim and goaded Penkala into nuking, presumably with this as the intent. This does not change the fact that Penkala broke our guidelines, but nor does that absolve the culprit from responsibility and I will find outwho it was.If you still have an axe to grind, do it on someone else. I am going to bed. Well then, thank you for the explanation. For something this simple I have no idea why you had to keep this for so long. You would have avoided yourself a lot of pain had you done so. But who am I to be lecturing the great Delta1212 on common sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Well then, thank you for the explanation. For something this simple I have no idea why you had to keep this for so long. You would have avoided yourself a lot of pain had you done so. But who am I to be lecturing the great Delta1212 on common sense? It was all in the thread already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Now this is interesting, you seem to know something the public doesnt. Care to enlighten us? Where did I claim to know anything? I was merely calling RIA out for their obstruction of justice and refusal to answer for the crimes of their member. They have since done that, so they are forgiven for their sins. As for you, take your silly posturing elsewhere. It is not needed. It was all in the thread already. Then I must have missed that. My humblest apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Where did I claim to know anything? I was merely calling RIA out for their obstruction of justice and refusal to answer for the crimes of their member. They have since done that, so they are forgiven for their sins. As for you, take your silly posturing elsewhere. It is not needed. Silly posturing? It was an honest question. But i guess you are in trolling mode now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 meh, i think "hunting down your family" threats deserve nothing less...its in essence a game and people should keep it at that and not take jabs at that persons real life.EDIT: TYPO ^This. OOC threats should be met with nuclear force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) ^This.OOC threats should be met with nuclear force. OOC: Actually they will be met with live firearms if you're stupid enough to make such a threat and cross the threshold of my home...your local laws however may not permit you to defend yourself...in which case...nahh not going there. There's digressing, there's derailing the thread, then there's high explosives and napalming the charred remnants of the thread. IC: Stupid, empty OOC threats merit whatever punishment the receiver of such threats has the ability to bring to bear. Edited November 20, 2009 by ChairmanHal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Actually, I think this goes for a lot of people who were "outraged" only a few days ago, not just Penkala. Hypocrisy on my Planet Bob? Surely it isn't so! 90% of all the posts on these fora are made without any actual belief in principles of any sort. If he really meant what he said, there's a [OOC] block/report feature. Yeah, I'd tend to agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's topics like this that make me able to love and appreciate people like Penkala and Delta. Damn you all. That said, good show from RIA, and especially Delta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 So, turns out Penkala had complete justification for a total wipeout, except that he was the victim of an IRC impersonator. When that person's found, they should have to pay reps to cover the nuke he intentionally got dropped on another nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 So, turns out Penkala had complete justification for a total wipeout, except that he was the victim of an IRC impersonator. When that person's found, they should have to pay reps to cover the nuke he intentionally got dropped on another nation. Depends if you consider IC actions for OOC wrongs just. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromp Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Hypocrisy on my Planet Bob? Surely it isn't so!90% of all the posts on these fora are made without any actual belief in principles of any sort. My God, Penkala, you made me agree with Haflinger! This can't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromp Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Depends if you consider IC actions for OOC wrongs just. Yeah, NoV comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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