Choader

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1293082823' post='2551157'] Trigger happy? Shovel sounds down right pissed, and he has quite a bit of company. Going off Letum's point let's toss out the idea that PC/iFOK/FOK sent them (although I still think that's a possibility) and let's talk about them going off on their own. Just counting the PCers who mutineed, that's almost 7% of alliance members who disobeyed their leadership. In MK numbers that would be 14 or more members and you're trying to tell me that's no big deal? [/quote] Being from the toilet stain of purple you won't understand, but in many alliances the members can think for themselves and the leadership doesn't keep an iron stranglehold on them.

Gems and Uranium.

Gems and Uranium, I'll take any color.

Gems and Uranium, I'll take any color.

I notice you only have 10 resources posted, if you're taking wild cards I have Gems and Uranium.

I actually predicted this a year and a half ago, perfect pairing imo.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1291874025' post='2534665'] [color="#0000FF"]Thank you for acknowledging my contributions. It feels good to finally be appreciated around here.[/color] [/quote] No sir, you are appreciated on much higher levels.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1291775611' post='2533456'] *ahem*I meant what was said on IRC to Londo.*ahem* Like I said this is not your failure, you did all you could. The likes of Choader and the other cowards who fled to fight Polaris leaving FoB out to dry are the true failures of this alliance. [ooc] Don't take it so personally [/ooc] [/quote] You don't know me and you don't know as much about that as you think you do, you're better when you stick to your usual anti-establishment shtick. Anyway, aside from the usual clowns it's nice to see so many people remembering the good times and good people.

This may be the first time I've been genuinely sad about events here... Good luck to Shinpah and the rest of the gang wherever you end up.

Better late than never.

This is a whole lot of outrage for just asking NSO to stick to the deal they agreed to.

Very cool stuff, <3 SLCB and those other guys.

At least UPN can now focus on suckling one teat instead of trying to milk two.

gl Athenians, crush the infidels.

Do you even have a clue what a miserable failure any attack by this "coalition" would have been? Being worried is the last reaction any sane person in his position would have.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1286335706' post='2476823'] Not matter how much time we fought each of these alliances, we were the ones who were outnumbered not you, so please don't come saying that we are bigger than you until you attack us alone since this doesn't matter when we are fighting various alliances, when VE declared on us 5 or 6 days after we still were in nuclear anarchy and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fair sure that our top nations were outnumbered, also I'm sure that who did the majority of damage on us was PC and FOK so don't try to steal your allies performance in that war to use for your own glory. Also with the help of a friend I saw that we started the war with 14,535,332 NS and when VE declared on us we had 11,950,858 NS and at Feb 8th the last record show us with 10,638,912 NS so unless VE damaged Polaris on more 1,7m NS until the white peace the fact VE damaged us in 3m NS is just a lie, also this numbers show that your alliance weren't who most damaged us, so next time keep the facts straight. Edit: Statistics are available [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79619&st=100&p=2169364&#entry2169364"]HERE[/url] [/quote] You know, at the time you were insisting that PC and FOK's damage to you was just a pinprick.

[quote name='MagicalTrevor' timestamp='1286246482' post='2475229'] Poor PC [/quote] You hit the nail on the head, it was always about you MT.

have fun, don't cause more trouble than usual.

[quote name='Zombie Glaucon' timestamp='1285398629' post='2464091'] The whole world wants to tech-raid red? I'm intrigued by this. Verrrrry intrigued. [/quote] I think it safe to say a majority of the world rejects the notion of an alliance claiming sphere ownership.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285396798' post='2464064'] Oh don't be stupid! If I ask somebody to spy on someone for me, it's the same as doing the spying myself. Or do you honestly think that Vox Populi was not responsible for all the spies that were reporting to it? [/quote] Forgive my stupidity then, but since when has a gather intel mission on an unaligned nation been an [size="4"][color="#FF0000"]Act of War[/color][/size] absolving a nation of any aggression past and present? These are some funny precedents you're trying to set. [quote]And if you think you're going to pick Red as a launching point for roguery, you'd better settle on somewhere else whoever the target is.[/quote] I see, the key step is to move to red [i]after[/i] becoming a nuke rogue.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285394413' post='2464038'] That would be a great comparison if it weren't totally incongruous. CoJ asked for sanctions against Smacky, an established rogue who ghosted a joke alliance, THE DARK LORDS (which were not rogues by my definition), solely for the purpose of nuking people on his way to deletion. We did not request sanctions on the GOONS who were aiding him the way PC/GOONS are requesting sanctions on the nation aiding Methrage. Smacky: Rogue Methrage: Not a rogue Two GOONS aiders: Aiding a rogue (tech deals) Jim: Sending money to an alliance at war CoJ: Please raid Smacky, the primary actor GOONS/PC: Please aid Jim, a secondary nation And while we issue most sanctions when requested, we don't just do it willy-nilly, we consider each one's merit. For example, we refused to sanction a former Grämlins who we were told was a deserter. [/quote] Whether or not you'll admit to Methrage being a rogue is totally unrelated to the point. Jimkongil is not a rogue for aiding Methrage, he is obviously a rogue for attacking the GOONS as an unaligned nation who had never been attacked or even spied on directly by GOONS before kicking off his war. I'll have to keep in mind that if I ever want to nuke someone you're not chums with I should get my trades on red.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285392139' post='2463994'] The use of the term "Rogue" has been too political and too slutty for years. You know, I was sanctioned as a "political rogue" when I had less than 9k NS--laughable! Most cases are cut-and-dried, and Biff Webster--the Senator from CoJ--has been sanctioning rogues left and right almost since the day he took office. Some instances are complicated, though,and they bear contemplation. That the old-world, conventional alliances that have been sanctioning "rogues" as an extension of their power for years sanctioned a nation as fast as you asked has no bearing on what the Red Senate does. [/quote] As far as I would be concerned Jimkongil is as cut and dry a case of roguery as could possibly exist. If an alliance-less nuclear nation aiding the enemies of an alliance and subsequently attacking them isn't being a nuclear rogue, what [i]does[/i] fit the definition? I recall that the rogue who attacked you under near identical circumstances was sanctioned immediately. It would seem that if Red Dawn with you as the [b]decider[/b] refused a sanction on Jimkongil you would be directly supporting a rogue against GOONS, especially in light of the Senator from CoJ sanctioning all other rogues left and right and your own previous insistence on sanctioning rogues of his type. By all rights you and your alliance should be open to attack for directly aiding their enemy.

Sorry it didn't work out wen, good luck with whatever your next move is.

I'm with LJ, this is a handy list to have for raiding the stragglers into oblivion. Thanks Schat!

Probably nothing worth hearing about.