lakerzz8 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I'm not being biased, but STA are one of the greatest protectors if not the best, and I've been around since march 06 with different alliances, and had many protectors.STA are always around, watching your back, always have the advice and guidance when you need it, they never get made or frustrated. They know whats best for you. And they give you freedom. They don't take Protectees often and for good reason, they want the protectee to succeed and not just waste away under their protection. If you're starting out have a chat with STA. Tyga is pretty damn awesome, if I may say so myself. Thanks for that lovely endorsement TIO has done well and our protectorate agreement has been upgraded to a MDoAP so that is definitely a good sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishnokof Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) TPF being the best protectors? Definitely not. Any alliance which takes on too many protectorates is not going to be a great protector. I can see something like Pegasus working out nicely, but a single alliance can't handle as many as TPF or RoK. An alliance which takes on one or two protectorates at a time and fulfills everything they agreed to in the agreement is perfect. Coming from someone who has been in our program? You are obviously well informed with what we do and what we offer. Oh wait. No, you have no idea what your talking about. EDIT: It really does depend on the alliances involved, some protecotrates work well with certain alliances, others don't. I don't think there's a single great protector alliance to go to. But there are definitely a few that have good all-round programs/people for that kind of thing. Edited August 23, 2009 by rishnokof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jipps Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Why get a protectorate when you can have none at all and have half the world jumping to defend you if you're attacked? No, seriously, think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) Why get a protectorate when you can have none at all and have half the world jumping to defend you if you're attacked?No, seriously, think about it. It usually doesn't work that way unless you're raiding an alliance with OWF regulars en masse in addition to using attacks that aren't 2 GAs. Edited August 23, 2009 by Antoine Roquentin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijaya Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 nueva vida is the best I second that. IMO, what you want from a protector is someone who will help you develop and be available when you need help. NV has gone far beyond the call of duty for us, and we think they're just about the greatest thing going. That being said, I am sure there are a few others out there that could be equally good. FOK did an awesome job with TGE, as did TPF for TSI. TOOL are good people across the board, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Why get a protectorate when you can have none at all and have half the world jumping to defend you if you're attacked?No, seriously, think about it. I hope this wasn't your honest suggestion. Seriously, think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Can't ask for better friends than VE. Just ask Ordo Verde. OV was never a protectorate of VE. They are allies (VE is OV's only standing military treaty), but OV is not a protectorate, nor have they ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 You want an alliance you would be happy to sign a military treaty with, as others have noted their is no 'best' becuase different groups will want different things, and you'll want a protector who shares your political outlooks. Things like tech deals, aid, guides, advice, anybody can give you that. But chances are your first high level treaty will also be with the alliance that used to be your protector, that also means that with the MDP web, their allies become your allies. You need to find a group you feel comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 The four that immediately came to mind, in no particular order: STA (my current alliance), Nordreich (my former alliance), Nueva Vida (former protector of my former alliance) and Mushroom Kingdom. While they are all quite different alliances, each has a very good reputation with respect to protectorates. All of them are quite 'picky' as well, which is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 OV was never a protectorate of VE. They are allies (VE is OV's only standing military treaty), but OV is not a protectorate, nor have they ever been. How embarrassing. I stand corrected. Not sure why I thought they were a protectorate. Jade Confederacy was at least, I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) Like then or loathe them until recently NPO protected a whole sphere very effectively. Edited August 23, 2009 by Alterego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 OV was never a protectorate of VE. They are allies (VE is OV's only standing military treaty), but OV is not a protectorate, nor have they ever been. A lot of OV came from OR, which was a TORN protectorate I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiabelly Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 If you are experienced in the game and starting a new alliance, then by all means you should have it narrowed down to a handful who agree with the direction you would like your alliance to go in. MK is my vote, if you lean their way in the web. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterCanuck Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 OV was never a protectorate of VE. They are allies (VE is OV's only standing military treaty), but OV is not a protectorate, nor have they ever been. Our protectorate of OR was carried over to OV when the merger happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinite desire Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 well, i've been thinking of all the alliances and i can't think of one that has neutral thoughts. like, an alliance that agrees with that they feel is the right move, and not just siding with a side all the time. anyone know any? Also, i think some people are right when they save protectorate blocs can get bad. it's best to keep them few so you can focus more on the individual protectorate than the whole bloc itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 well, i've been thinking of all the alliances and i can't think of one that has neutral thoughts. like, an alliance that agrees with that they feel is the right move, and not just siding with a side all the time. GPA, TDO, and GOP come to mind offhand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Coming from someone who has been in our program? You are obviously well informed with what we do and what we offer. Oh wait. No, you have no idea what your talking about. EDIT: It really does depend on the alliances involved, some protecotrates work well with certain alliances, others don't. I don't think there's a single great protector alliance to go to. But there are definitely a few that have good all-round programs/people for that kind of thing. As Mr. Zoom has been in a protectorate bloc system, I'd say he's qualified to give his opinion on protectorate blocs, no? I could be wrong, but I took his post as saying that the mass-protection system was the problem, not the protectors themselves. I'm sure you guys at RoK are great protectors, but you've certainly got a lot of protectorates to manage. Zoom obviously doesn't think that such a system is good for a protectorate. -Bama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 As Mr. Zoom has been in a protectorate bloc system, I'd say he's qualified to give his opinion on protectorate blocs, no? I could be wrong, but I took his post as saying that the mass-protection system was the problem, not the protectors themselves. I'm sure you guys at RoK are great protectors, but you've certainly got a lot of protectorates to manage. Zoom obviously doesn't think that such a system is good for a protectorate.-Bama I too wondered what RoK thought about the breakdown of TPF's massive protectorate system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 There is no "one size fits all" protector, hence there is no "the best" protector alliance. Ragnarok and TPF both have had experience protecting multiple startup alliances. Yes it is not easy, just as there are no best protectors, so there are no best protectorates as well. Each group of people has a different dynamic and they interact with other groups in a different fashion. TPF did not fail at protecting their friends, quiet simply, fate and geopolitics put them in a situation where it was not feasible anymore, for the time being. They were rather good at it, when they were able to do it. They will do it again, it is a matter of time, or so i hope. Being a protector is not something one takes lightly, or rather one should not, it is the easiest thing in the world to wake up one day and accept your first 'little brother" just because you feel you can, or are now big enough to do it. Protection is much more than simple "put this in your nation bio and get raided no more". In many ways it is an apprentice program or a mentor, mentee relationship. Of course the learning from the interaction is a two way street. Being part of an alliance that protects others, i have had an opportunity to interact with those that we protect, we learn as much from them as we teach them. Of course then there are alliances started by non-newbies, experienced players, old friends that strike out on their own, in many such cases there is already an established relationship to build upon, and things are easier. to begin with at least. Like every relationship, this too changes over time, and one has to come to the "we work together at this" level, or it is at an end. The success of a protector hinges as much upon the acts/ethic of the protectorate as it does on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) Smart words This post is relevant. No protector is the same, unless you have the people you barely talk to, get a check-in every once and awhile...Most people treat thier little buds differently. Whether it would be forcing them to go a certain path, Allowing you liberties, Constructing your future with your opinion involved or not, or just plain letting you chill. Its all different. Its like parents...except...[OOC: cybernation /OOC] Edited August 23, 2009 by Acca Dacca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jipps Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I hope this wasn't your honest suggestion.Seriously, think about it. Why not, good sir? It usually doesn't work that way unless you're raiding an alliance with OWF regulars en masse in addition to using attacks that aren't 2 GAs. So you would only be liable for individual strictly tech raiding wars. That rules out any attack that would deal any severe amount of damage to your alliance as a whole. The only real benefit of having a protector then becomes to protect from these occasional minor raids. I'll take that risk. Most protectorates have clauses extremely limiting your foreign affairs, not to mention that your alliance upon birth is already placed into categories based on the choice of protector before your alliance has even had a chance to prove itself in the world. Many of you will probably claim that protectorates offer guidance and help, these are both extremely vague and scary. If you need basic assistance such as guides on how to go to war, I would suggest rethinking your alliances existance. In the past, protectorates served a purpose in the heartless world of constant tech raids. However, they are slowly becoming only a severe drag on alliances. So I encourage all those planning on building new alliances, to go out and free yourself from the chains of this out of date system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reccesion Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 STA is the best hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 TOP for sure Go look at Freak Safari war to get why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 TPF being the best protectors? Definitely not. You are totally wrong lol. TPF are the best protectors hands down. I said hands down! Get on the ground! Now take off your belt and pants! HANDS FLAT ON THE CEMENT NOW! DON'T TURN AROUND! STOP CRYING! SAY YOU LOVE TPF! SAY IT! SAY YOU LOVE TPF! Oh yeaaahhhh ph yeah, I loooove protecting you. Now shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Seeking an MDP is probably a better road to take - protectorates have become an artifact and generally allow for too much puppeteering, intended or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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