Sorum Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) I completely and irrevocably retract my previous statement regarding my take on BTA/TAB history. This is not a retraction of MHA support, but merely a dismissal of my comments. Regarding BTA: MD staged the coup. Simple as that. I did not intentionally lie to hurt the BTA, but rather posted my muddled and historically inaccurate recollection of the TAB reformation. At the time, I was grateful to MD for his sacrifice, but later became angered by him having left. This anger turned to hate, and it blinded me. I still stand my sections of my announcement. Peace was always and option and people trying to flex their muscles should not have done so for the sake of it. To MD, I called your honour into question by citing an inaccurate recollection of events. For this, I am sorry, and hope that the truth presented here clears your name of any accusations that you betrayed the original BTA. I apologise to BTA and TAB for making this mess worse, and as such I promise to not interfere in BTA-TAB relations anymore. Regarding BTA's entry into GWIII We copped a lot of flak for that. While I did know of it, I blamed MD for not publicising it. Not really his fault. Regarding logs: Session Start: Mon May 25 18:32:45 2009 Session Ident: Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$} 01[18:32] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> what is it? [18:32] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> im reforming BTA in a month or so 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> WIN 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> SO MUCH WIN 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> I told Crush I wanted to do that xD [18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> However, the BTA is dead, and isn't coming back, and I wouldn't be surprised if TAB and ex-TAB were pissed about it. Session Close: Mon May 25 18:33:11 2009 Session Start: Mon May 25 18:33:11 2009 Session Ident: Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$} [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> yea [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> ive got every intention to start it up again lol [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> and run it slightly different this time [18:33] <Master-Debater[WE]{!@#$}> ive started 2 alliances now so i know what works and doesnt 01[18:33] <SorumBeeblebrox[MHA]> Did you know Voronov is back? Logs weren't faked. It would appear a crappy IRC connection lead to the last line of the disputed logs never making it to MD. Those who claim that the disconnection would have shown up in MD's logs: The disconnection would not show up if he didn't post during the couple of seconds where I reconnected. Final words I stepped down as MHA triumvir last week. I'd like to clarify that it was not because of this issue. Furthermore, I request that all blame be attributed to me, as none of this was the fault of any MHAer bar myself, and does not deserve to be tagged on to MHA's public image. Edited June 30, 2009 by Sorum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Thank you Sorum. I will agree that the logs were not faked and came at no fault to Sorum. As Sorum said there was no coup attempt. The screen shots clearly show that I left the BTA on my own accord in an attempt to save the BTA from a guaranteed death. The following screen shots all clearly show that I did not get couped. They show that I was trying my best to save the BTA and to keep its members from further harm. Sorum does not deny this fact and neither does anyone present at the time. I wish for the history books to be cleared and anyone who wishes for more information is free to ask for it. http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas...31/gatopiat.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas.../MDCyaclean.jpg http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/Srqt82/mdplan.png http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas...MDCya1clean.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas...MDCya2clean.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas...Dorderclean.jpg http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/Srqt82/sorumOP.png http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/Srq...911-14-07PM.png http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas...order2clean.jpg http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/mas...der3clean-3.jpg http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/Srqt82/mdresponse.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 A classy move! o/ Sorum o/ MHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 It's sad that you had to be faced with the knowledge that this would come out either way before you admitted your wrongs but at least you admitted them. I hope you can all put this behind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Now that this is settled, lets see how the FIRE situation plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Cato Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 No surprise here, I knew MD was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespoon Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 (edited) MD gave up his reputation and honor to save his alliance.... I dare anyone call him a terrible leader now Edited June 30, 2009 by thespoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Nice to see this situation settled. As for FIRE, IDK what will happen with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Voronov is back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaannndddyyy Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Great to see this come to an end. Hard to see people I like argue with one another. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 About time this got settled. So with Sorum no longer pissed, and TAB no longer pissed, do we still have drama? I think not. /me goes back to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 This is very interesting. It seems there was more going on here than I knew. A lot more. Well, hopefully this puts the quietus to the stirrings that were going on, and all is calm again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 MHA, stay awesome as always Sorum...you cut your damn hair hippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 This is very interesting. It seems there was more going on here than I knew. A lot more.Well, hopefully this puts the quietus to the stirrings that were going on, and all is calm again. There was, and likely still is, a lot going on that people did not know about. I would not be surprised if over the next few days people have a different viewpoint on what happened in GW3 that led to the surrender of BTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I still hate you both, Sorum and MD. Glad to see this resolved, and glad to see I didn't have to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Hopefully you've learned a lesson about acting on feelings of anger. It was clear to everyone that your judgment had been clouded and I'm glad you've come to realise you were mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I still hate you both, Sorum and MD. Glad to see this resolved, and glad to see I didn't have to do anything. Like you do anything ever, George? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormsend Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Happy to see this nastiness come to an end. Onward to the real enemy: Doitzel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 This level of candor about past events is amazingly refreshing. Sadly, also rare on Planet Bob. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryievla Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Excellent resolution. I am pleased to see this sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Sorum and MD are stand up class acts. I'm glad this was settled amicably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 It is a good trait to realise when you make a mistake, and to admit to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Happy to see this nastiness come to an end. Onward to the real enemy:Doitzel. You'll have to go through me, Stormsend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VashS Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 There was, and likely still is, a lot going on that people did not know about. Yup. Funny how the past works. Anyways...glad to see this resolved. You were always a cool cat Sorum. Just wished things didn't play out like this. Good luck MD with BTA. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 It takes a strong person and leader to admit you were wrong, for this you have my respect and I can proudly say o/ Sorum o/ MHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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