Warning: Tech Scammer in Our Midst

[Duncan King]

I remember when Schills tried to extort us. I pity the fools who did business with him.

[James Wilson]

I remember when Schills tried to extort us. I pity the fools who did business with him.

So, if someone who doesn't pay attention to the OWF and what not starts a tech deal with him and gets scammed, he is a fool?

[Schills]

Last night, two of Nordreich's Triumvirs and I decided to expel Schills of Betch for tech-scamming.

I won't go into details or provide logs or anything like that. I'll skip straight to the tl;dr....

- Yesterday, someone popped into our private channel and asked why Schills hadn't paid what he owed.

- Schills eventually admitted that he owed not only this person, but that he has an outstanding debt of at least 700 tech to various nations.

- We offered to help him work out a payment plan, but he refused to work with us on this.

After this, Schills also revealed that:

- He does not have the funds to buy said tech, having wasted all his money buying/destroying infrastructure and soldiers. (I don't get this, either.)

- His m.o. is to accept aid and not respond to payment request until people come to him, at which time he says his slots are full, "You don't have a screenshot so I'm not paying" and so on....

- His intent is to re-roll repeatedly, engaging in this same Ponzi scheme over and over and over, in the belief that his debts will not carry over to a new nation.

Anyone who has a legitimate reason to see logs relating to this is welcome to contact me via Nordreich's IRC channel (#nordreich on Coldfront). You may also PM me here.

I will say to Planet Bob what so many said to me when Schills applied to join NoR. If you accept him, you will regret it. Apart from the tech-scamming, he also threatened people in other channels and actively tried to recruit larger nations to engage in in-game spy ops on his behalf. He has been a pain in the backside since he signed up.

In brief: AVOID.

Let me give you a little more info, 12 Days ago I setup a tech deal. Two days ago that guy came into the chatroom asking where the tech was. I was late on it yes... but two days late is not scamming tech. Thereafter kingzog got all upset and making all these demands and proclaiming me a tech scammer.

I am not a tech scammer, I am paying off all the tech I owe. Nordreich has made these assumptions without all the facts, They were to quickly to react and rather decided to act irrationally and swiftly before getting all the facts.

I do infact have money to finish these tech deals, and I am having the tech sent already, and my m.o is to keep re-rolling and doing this... lol I don't know where they are getting this info... It is pretty far out there though.

Anyways, I'd suggest ignoring nordreich, My techdeals are being sent out.

[enderland]

wait so they kicked you out for theft but never actually attacked you?

wtf

[Schills]

wait so they kicked you out for theft but never actually attacked you?

wtf

They kicked me out because One guy I owed tech to came to the channel and complained the tech was 2 days late. Then they started assuming the worst and thought I was a tech thief and came up with all this wild stuff.

Their is no need for this announcement even.

[kingzog]

wait so they kicked you out for theft but never actually attacked you?

wtf

He didn't steal from us. We're not CN's bill collectors. When we thought it was only one guy, I personally arranged for the aggrieved party to receive 50 tech from another nation.

(btw Schills, you owe NoR 50 tech.)

They kicked me out because One guy I owed tech to came to the channel and complained the tech was 2 days late. Then they started assuming the worst and thought I was a tech thief and came up with all this wild stuff.

Their is no need for this announcement even.

Oh look, Schills showed up to lie through his teeth.

That sounds like an invitation to post the logs wherein you admitted to everything contained in the first post.

I'll take care of that when I get home later this evening. (Not that I'd really need to, mind you. I doubt very much that anyone believes you.)

I'll apologize in advance for the wall of text that's forthcoming, and while I'm at it I would also like to apologize to all those who told me not to accept Schills in the first place. You were right, I was wrong.

EDIT:

Oh wait....some of them were saved on the Nordreich forum....

The initial approach from the person Schills tried to rip off:

[iNFO] Query view for “Hawky[NpO]” opened.

<Hawky[NpO]> hello

<kingzog> Hi.

<Hawky[NpO]> i have a complaint to report

<kingzog> Report away....

<Hawky[NpO]> concerning a tech deal with schills

<kingzog> Right....lay it all out for me....I'm paying attention. Honest.

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:34] <Hawky[NpO]> hello Mr. Schills

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:34] <schills> WHat

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:34] <Hawky[NpO]> where are my first 50 tech?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <schills> oh we had a tech deal?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <Hawky[NpO]> yes

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <Hawky[NpO]> i paid you 3 mil on the 30th may

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <schills> Got a screenshot?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <Hawky[NpO]> *_*

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <schills> ?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:35] <schills> I don't have you on my list.

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:36] <Hawky[NpO]> ehh no...no screenshot...but i got you on note here

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:36] <Hawky[NpO]> chat logs perhaps

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:37] <schills> sorry...

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:37] <schills> They could be forged.

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:37] <schills> I'll need a screenshot of the aid transaction.

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:37] <schills> I don't even remember selling any to you..

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:37] <Hawky[NpO]> v_v

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:37] <schills> ?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:38] <Hawky[NpO]> i search the logs and you can collate them with yours

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:38] <schills> I don't have logs.

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:38] <Hawky[NpO]> oh man

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:39] <Hawky[NpO]> dude i'm not lying to you, we really have a tech deal

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:39] <schills> ....

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:39] <schills> No screnshots

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:39] <Hawky[NpO]> its me hawky, why would i lie to you?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:39] <schills> I don't have you in my notepad...

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:40] <schills> I mean....

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:40] <schills> I can't just send tech to every person that comes and says i owe them...

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:40] <schills> need some kind of proof

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:40] <schills> I don't even remember setting any deals up

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:40] <Hawky[NpO]> if you would have told me that in before v_v

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:40] <Hawky[NpO]> yea yea...

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <schills> I thought it was protocol

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <schills> .....

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <Hawky[NpO]> no...

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <Hawky[NpO]> my deals are always based on trust

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <schills> ....

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <schills> well

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:41] <schills> I didn't set any up from what i can see

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:44] <schills> well

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:44] <schills> That all

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:44] <schills> ?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> i have no screenshots, and obviously only forged chat logs of you and me in query, so yes...thats all. thank you and goodbye, i will keep this in mind.

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <schills> lol

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <schills> I'm just pulling your leg

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> Session Start: Sat May 30 17:50:49 2009

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> Session Ident: schills

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] Session Ident: schills (Coldfront, Hawky[NpO]) (Schills@coldfront-8416584D.gnv.bellsouth.net)

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] <schills> im JK!

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] <schills> 100 3

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] <schills> lol

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] <schills> always gotta try though

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] <schills>

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:51] <schills> http://www.cybernations.net/nation_dril ... _ID=324052

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:52] <schills> so

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:52] <schills> 3/50/50

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:52] <schills> 3mil for 50 tech in 50 days

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:52] <schills> correct?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:53] <Hawky[NpO]> 3 mil for 50 tech in 10 and 50 in 20 days

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:53] <schills> lol

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:53] <schills>

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:54] <Hawky[NpO]> dont try to fool me or i'll go all Zeppelin over you

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:54] <schills> please

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:54] <schills> Ain't got !@#$ on me

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:54] <schills>

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:55] <Hawky[NpO]> rawr

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:55] <Hawky[NpO]>

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:00] <schills> I owe 700 tech

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:00] <schills>

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:01] <schills> its like a crack addiction

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:01] <schills> I buy tech

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:01] <schills> then in 10 days

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:01] <schills> i dont have money to send tech

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:01] <schills> so i buy even more tech

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> [18:01] <schills> lol

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <Hawky[NpO]> Session Close: Sat May 30 18:15:06 2009

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:45] <schills> I'm waiting on someone else to send me 3mil

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:47] <schills> just waiting on someone to send me money to send aid

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:55] <schills> HEY

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:55] <schills> YOU HEARD?

<Hawky[NpO]> [19:59] <Hawky[NpO]> yes

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:00] <schills> that was funny wasnt it

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:00] <Hawky[NpO]> not really

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:01] <schills> was to..

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:01] <schills> where is your sense of humor

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:01] <Hawky[NpO]> lost when somebody tries to fool me and sneak away with money

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:01] <Hawky[NpO]> [17:50] <schills> always gotta try though

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:02] <schills> lol

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:02] <schills> i wasnt trying to

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:02] <schills> i know i owed you tech

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:02] <schills> was just having fun

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:02] <schills> lol

<Hawky[NpO]> [20:02] <Hawky[NpO]> you sure did

<Hawky[NpO]> Session Close: Tue Jun 09 23:42:14 2009

<Hawky[NpO]> and that was yesterday.... today i find the aid slots of Schills nation filled with 3 mil aids.

My response to Schills, who was afk at the time.

<kingzog> I would recommend you wake the $%&@ up.

<kingzog[Away]> You now owe Perkele 50 tech.

<kingzog[Away]> When I find someone to pay the other 50 tech you owe Hawky, you will then owe that person as well.

<kingzog[Away]> These individuals will receive their tech before anyone else you owe.

<kingzog[Away]> And no, this is not negotiable.

And then, when he finally woke up....

<schills> mad kingzog is mad

<kingzog> You've got that right.

* schills gives kingzog some weed

<kingzog> We're going to work out a tech payment plan for you.

<schills> I got one

<schills>

<kingzog> You will abide by it.

<kingzog> If you are late by one day, we will throw you to the wolves. It's that simple.

* schills slaps kingzog around a bit with a large trout

<schills> kinda harsh

<kingzog> Having people come into our channel calling one of our members an aid thief is embarrassing.

<kingzog> It will not happen again.

<schills> Who said that

<kingzog> Hawky[NpO]

<kingzog> He then showed me how you tried to weasel out of it....and then called that attempt a "joke".

<schills> oh

<schills> rofl

<schills> hawky!

<kingzog> I'm giving you an opportunity not to $%&@ up, and you seem not to be taking this very seriously.

<schills> lol

<schills> dude

<schills> i was going to like have hawky sent some tech

<schills> but i forgot lol

<kingzog> You owe 700 tech in total?

<schills> yeah

<kingzog> Very well. You will work out the details of re-payment with Calhoun. Once these deals are paid off, you are restricted to tech deals within the alliance only.

<schills> meh

<schills> I'm done selling anyways.

<schills>

<kingzog> You're goddamn right you are.

<schills> You're god damn right!

<kingzog> You don't seem to realize how seriously we are taking this.

<schills> Dramatic effect.

<schills> its only tech

<schills> lol

<kingzog> There is no 'effect' here.

<kingzog> And I suggest you tread carefully.

<schills> lol

<schills> tread carefully?

<kingzog> Watch your !@#$@#$ step.

<schills> For what?

<kingzog> We're done. Talk to Calhoun and work out the details.

<schills>

Please note the bolded parts.

I could wait 'til I'm home and produce the logs wherein he tried to put off repaying all of this until June 29, said he didn't know who he owed (or how much), how he intended to skip out on his debts and so on....but really, is it necessary at this point?

Edited June 11, 2009 by kingzog

[Melchior]

I never liked Schills.

[Thrash]

Classic Schills, at his best.

[enderland]

They kicked me out because One guy I owed tech to came to the channel and complained the tech was 2 days late. Then they started assuming the worst and thought I was a tech thief and came up with all this wild stuff.

Their is no need for this announcement even.

Kingzog: a lot

schills: 0

He didn't steal from us. We're not CN's bill collectors. When we thought it was only one guy, I personally arranged for the aggrieved party to receive 50 tech from another nation.

Ah. For some reason I was under the impression that he had taken the aid from you guys, not sure why Makes sense now.

[King DrunkWino]

sAh. For some reason I was under the impression that he had taken the aid from you guys, not sure why Makes sense now.

Somehow I don't envision Kingzog has the prerequisite lack of brains to allow someone to run an internal deficit of 700 tech.

[kingzog]

<schills> I'm not paying nor 50 tech that I supposedly owe.

<schills> I never told you to send tech to anybody I owe for any reason.

<schills> If you sent someone tech for me thats your own fault.

Is that your final answer?

Think carefully.

EDIT:

While I'm here....here's a couple of fun quotes from last night:

Calhoun[NoR]> 23:00:58 [schills] i dont have the list

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:01:00 (Calhoun[NoR]) Explain why, then.

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:01:28 [schills] I don't have the list.

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:01:44 (Calhoun[NoR]) Where has this list gone?

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:01:51 [schills] never had one

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:01:55 [schills] i just wait for people to come to me

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:02 [schills] July 2nd?

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:09 [schills] no

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:13 [schills] Cause my slots are full

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:15 [schills] with incoming aid

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:16 [schills] >_>

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:17 (Calhoun[NoR]) No !@#$

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:21 (Calhoun[NoR]) That's exempt

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:25 (Calhoun[NoR]) No further incoming chas

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:27 (Calhoun[NoR]) *cash

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:14:27 [schills] 10 days from now to

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:15:48 (Calhoun[NoR]) No further incoming cash until July 2nd?

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:15:56 [schills] no

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:16:47 (Calhoun[NoR]) You have 15M currently along with whatever you previously had

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:16:57 (Calhoun[NoR]) The tech should cost no more than 9-10M

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:16:58 [schills] Current Rupees Available: $20,665.32 (Surplus)

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:08 (Calhoun[NoR]) What the hell did you do with that aid?

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:16 [schills] bought soldiers

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:18 [schills] then killed them

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:20 [schills] then bought more

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:23 [schills] and just kept killing them

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:26 [schills] and bought and sold infra

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:32 [schills] until i wasted 28mil

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:41 [schills] takes a long time

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:50 [schills] Staying this low NS...

<Calhoun[NoR]> 23:17:50 [schills] not easy

I couldn't make up this kind of stuff....

Edited June 12, 2009 by kingzog

[Schills]

lol, Those logs are pretty... I can't stop laughing.

[KagetheSecond]

I'm actually in awe of this man... How on earth could you squander so much money buying and selling infra for kicks and giggles? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

[Galvatron]

Schills, just one guy complained? So you didn't even get started before they kicked you out!

could have done better if you gave him the chance B)

He lasted at NUF for less then 24 hours

[Kevin McDonald]

lol, Those logs are pretty... I can't stop laughing.

I also enjoy rereading things I've written and laughing at them (or just quietly appreciating them.)

[Teriethien]

Wow. This is hilarious

[Schills]

I'm actually in awe of this man... How on earth could you squander so much money buying and selling infra for kicks and giggles? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...

lol, You don't actually believe I did that do you rofl.

[Teriethien]

lol, You don't actually believe I did that do you rofl.

What did you actually do then?

[Locke]

What did you actually do then?

And for that matter, what proof does he have that he did anything else?

[kingzog]

lol, You don't actually believe I did that do you rofl.

Were you lying then or are you lying now?

[pd73bassman]

No surprise there.

I still remember in his application to join Nueva Vida:

"Why do you wish to join Nueva Vida: To spy"

Didn't get far.

Yea, I certainly remember that

No surprise at all here

[kingzog]

lol, You don't actually believe I [blew all that money] do you rofl.

I do.

Total Money: $12,147

Anyway....fun's over for us, kids.

You've been warned. If you get suckered in, don't say you weren't warned.

Edited June 12, 2009 by kingzog

[Minilla Island]

Schills, you have nowhere to go. You are a con-man that cannot be trusted. That is the problem with people like yourself. You forget the very essence of being in an Alliance is about trust. If you cannot be trusted to do the right thing in an Alliance, you do not have a home anywhere.

[Catface]

No offence kingzog, but I'm surprised anyone would let him in their alliance. Isn't this the same guy that scammed \m/ way back when and blamed it on his girlfriend or something?

[fanofall]

RMAOFL. This thread is hilarious. Sounds like a story for the Smoking Gun.