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[quote name='der_ko' timestamp='1295659899' post='2590111'] There is nothing illegal or unacceptable about "entrapment". [/quote] What makes it unacceptable is it was a form of baiting--followed by retaliation.

Good work!

Where is my canteen?

Always good to have new friends.

You said it best, Junk "And although this Imperial Colony is destroyed, the Empire forever lives on..." Also, via your own words: Perhaps you should reconsider you previous statements. Doesn't sound like you disbanded the alliance--as an aside, you don't sound quite so noble here.

I'm not sure that's what makes you unpopular. But you're free to presume or speculate as to why people don't like you. You can, but I'm certain they're not worth the paper that they're written on. For fun, I googled "alliance" and discovered the wiki definition (1st def--didn't want to be accused of cherry-picking) of an alliance is simply: "An alliance is an agreement between two or more parties, made in order to advance common goals and to secure common interests." I believe what we have here fits the definition. I'm not going to bore you with the details, but you know full well that what you see is not always what you get. What I do note, however is the lack of requirement in the above-captioned definition to disband a legal charter and I certainly don't see any requirement of your approval for an alliance to exist. As one of the original Senators who voted to disband (to save your hide) during the war (and was brought to ZI and had to reroll), I was also one of the available Senators who decided to participate in our glorious reformation several months ago, so I full well understand the happenings of past and present--so I support our Emperor, past and present, Chimmy. I can't help you feel you failed in your short stint as IAA's Emperor; your efforts to assume responsibility by admitting your failures at this late date are understandable, but at the same time are unnecessary and juvenile at this point. The best you can hope for now is to simply remain hidden and isolated in the bowels of IAA's history, much like you have for the past year, and know that your past failures have not been forgotten. Perhaps one day you will understand the mechanisms of your failures, for time and a certain reflection on the past encourages enlightenment. On that note, Happy Birthday, IAA.

Hmmm. Sounds like the parties need an arbitrator otherwise this war is going to go on until I collect Social Security (which is sooner than most of you realize, but that's not the point). Perhaps a 10 day war with a limit on the use of nukes or only 7 days of gang-play will work. I don't know; there's got to be some neutral ground somewhere that will eventually improve my environment. The immovable object vs the irresistible force. Problem for me is I don't know who's who at this point.

This is turning out to be quite a pillow fight. I'll return and read the rest of the OP if someone grabs some iron.

It was a term of surrender in the One Vision dispute to admit to eating his hamster. I, for one, didn't actually eat it, although admittedly I stated I did. Just wondering if anyone had actual knowledge... And perhaps it will be a term of peace in the current conflict for NPO leadership to admit they actually consumed the hamster. Memories for some of us are long.

Who really ate it?

One thing for sure, the longer this goes on, the more tech Karma gets. They're going to get what they want one way or the other.

I like public apologies, because they often tend to demonstrate sincerity.

My perspective on this is from a long-term player who was essentially forced to re-roll by NPO during the NPO-GATO war. Some of my memory is a little rusty (due to the age of events and me being on painkillers for a recent accident), but the below facts are true as best as I can remember. Even though I've been a CN member for almost 3 years and I don't post much, I felt compelled to comment on the current conflict. Bear in mind that this is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect any opinions held by others. I was a member of the IAA who came to GATO's defense during the NPO-Gato war. I was a 40K nation, who, after nearly 60 days of being triple-teamed by NPO and their allies, was reduced to a pile of rubble and in bill-lock. Of course, even though I asked for assistance from NPO's government to get out of bill-lock, their reply to me was there would be no assistance forthcoming and I was not allowed to receive aid while a NPO prisoner. As a result, I had to re-roll and lost my wonders and nearly 18 months worth of work on my nation. Also, as an aside, the IAA ceased existence as an alliance forcing me to become a NPO prisoner for nearly a month. Finally, they let me go when they decided they couldn't protect all their prisoners from tech-raiding. (I was tech-raided while a NPO prisoner and they apparently found it difficult to defend me because I was so small. There's a thread somewhere on these forums from a year ago about the issue if anyone is interested.) All said, I lost almost all my infrastructure, nearly 1500 tech, and my wonders during the course of the war. I received absolutely no assistance in return (not that I expected any, other than to be allowed to recover from billlock--yet I was specifically told that I would be allowed no aid while a prisoner and they were not going to provide it). This was the point in time where I had to decide whether or not I wanted to continue to play in the CN community. As evidenced by my statement here, I chose to stay. Today, I'm a healthy 25K nation who still has not fully recovered from my destruction nearly a year ago to the day. In some respects, I have very little sympathy for the path NPO has chosen. They have been ruthless victors over their foes in all of their wars; using significant financially destructive mandated reps for their own growth programs, viceroys, and a variety of other mechanisms designed to dishearten and intimidate their foes. So much of what they received was not necessarily built on their own; much of their growth was due to their foes misfortunes. In the end, some of what they did was simply playing the game well; some of what they did, to me, bordered on abuse to the game. On the other hand, even in spite of the above, I do not personally feel that anyone should suffer the same fate that I suffered. To ask for the virtual destruction of any nation or alliance, either financially or militarily, does not serve any long-term purpose other than to ensure that revenge will be sought one day. I am not privy to the financial condition of any of NPO's nations, but whatever it was 60 days ago is far different from what it is today. Also, those nations not in peace mode (I am somewhat dismayed that many members stayed in peace mode, yet other alliances were threatened with ZI who had members in peace mode to protect their financial resources while at war--this is a hypocritical stance that has already been discussed, so I will not dwell further on what's good for the goose) have been pounded, so they too are not in good financial shape. So I do see both sides to this coin and I understand why Karma wants access to the top NPO nations for a short period of time. But I also understand why NPO wants to reject this particular term--but it will certainly come at the cost of those not in peace mode. So, for me, I guess it comes down to this; I believe that there should be some fairly significant terms that teaches lessons against expansionism. I would hate to see the fate that I suffered to be suffered by anyone, even against those who caused my nation to be destroyed. Complete destruction of any nation or alliance seems to me, to be against all the principles of fair gamesmanship. Seems as though both sides should get back to the drawing board and find a compromise that satisfies both parties. Nobody should lose the fine art of negotiation due to selfish reasons. Hope I made some sense. If not, please don't flame the messenger...

RMAOFL. This thread is hilarious. Sounds like a story for the Smoking Gun.

Great stuff. Can't wait to see sustained growth over an extended period of time!

RMAOFL. Just go to the surrender thread.

And the band played on...

The "Who's Your Buddy War"

I, hereby, surrender to the New Pacific Order and resign from the Imperial Assault Alliance. I have changed my AA to NPO PoW. And I apologize for eating Vladimir's hamster, although I have to admit that I didn't realize it was a hamster.