Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Well change for one thing OOC: God, you people sound like Obama supporters or something. I'd love it you could stop screaming "CHANGE!" and actually talk about things. IC: Well, yes. But the critical part in what I was saying is the next part. Edited April 26, 2009 by Lord of Destruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) I wonder what will happen if they win, and achieve their goals. Will they be against the next large change in Bob? Karma's goals at present I believe is to give the NPO and those who support it a taste of their own medicine. Except not even that. We don't seek to do to them what they have to countless others, justice says we should though - an eye for an eye as it is. What more can you ask for than much more leniency than you yourself have given us when you were on the winning side? Edited April 26, 2009 by Blacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shigh707 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) GEE, NOBODY WOULD BE ANGRY ABOUT THAT. 20% OF OUR AS GONE, THAT'S NOTHING TO BE ANGRY ABOUT. GEE, I FEEL STUPID JUST THINKING I WAS ANGRY ABOUT IT. and ima just lol at this, you coulda came to TFO also From the logs I have seen, the original terms of surrender were far from lenient. Infact, they seemed to suggest not only putting the NPO in a position of great vulnerability, but also purposfully attemting to humiliate the NPO. And some claim 'Karma' is honorable... Should i even say FAN? Edited April 26, 2009 by Shigh707 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcdt94 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Very fair terms, it would be wise to accept them while you still can. Edited April 26, 2009 by lcdt94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Karma's goals at present I believe is to give the NPO and those who support it a taste of their own medicine. Except not even that. We don't seek to do to them what they have to countless others, justice says we should though - an eye for an eye as it is. What more can you ask for than much more leniency than you yourself have given us when you were on the winning side? Thank you Blacky, I already knew that. And yes, you are being much more lenient. We generally wait at least a week or two before releasing individual terms. That, however, was not the question. Do you think the alliances that support Karma will be against the next large change in Bob? Once they get things to the way they want them, will they be against change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonvalid Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 With your permission, I'd like not to change topics. I realize you will likely have a witty comeback. But I believe bringing up FAN will quickly ignite flaming and evalated hostilities. I hope you will agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) That, however, was not the question. And your question isn't the topic. Stay on it. Edited April 26, 2009 by Sal Paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) No one said this was NPO terms, These are INDEVIDIUAL TERMS, this has nothing to do with an alliances preferance or power, this has to do with an INDEVIDUALs (omg such a big word I know!!!!) personal decisions Anybody else lol at this? I just hope Karma makes all Hegemony alliances lift their EZI's/PZI's and declare all other wars over (LUE, NAAC, \m/, FAN, etc.). Edited April 26, 2009 by Aeternos Astramora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Thank you Blacky, I already knew that. And yes, you are being much more lenient. We generally wait at least a week or two before releasing individual terms.That, however, was not the question. Do you think the alliances that support Karma will be against the next large change in Bob? Once they get things to the way they want them, will they be against change? A change in what direction? Just change in general? I don't think we would like to see the old ways which we can hopefully end with this victory coming back. But if newer and better ideas surface for making things run more smoothly and making things more entertaining then of course not. We love change for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shigh707 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 With your permission, I'd like not to change topics. I realize you will likely have a witty comeback. But I believe bringing up FAN will quickly ignite flaming and evalated hostilities. I hope you will agree. i kno it will, but you know im right. we will drop it at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 On your question isn't the topic. Stay on it. My question is an expansion of the topic. When you release individual terms, you assume you're winning. When you win, things end up your way. If things end up their way, will they be against change? OOC: That, and you're not a mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shigh707 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 My question is an expansion of the topic. When you release individual terms, you assume you're winning. When you win, things end up your way. If things end up their way, will they be against change?OOC: That, and you're not a mod. im sure we could get a mod in here if u wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 A change in what direction? Just change in general?I don't think we would like to see the old ways which we can hopefully end with this victory coming back. But if newer and better ideas surface for making things run more smoothly and making things more entertaining then of course not. We love change for the better. And who would dictate what 'better' is? That term is quite subjective. All in all, this will be very interesting to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Trap. Edited April 26, 2009 by shahenshah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonvalid Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 i kno it will,but you know im right. we will drop it at that I must respectfully disagree. And thank you for the cooperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 You are pretty much exactly what Karma claims to wish to eliminate. You've remanufactured yourself by being the little guy for awhile, but you have not changed at all. Much like Sponge and Doitzel you pretty much were the Hegemony, had an altercation with those in charge and find yourself where you are now in an attempt to displace those that pushed you aside. I will get no honest discussion from you, and I would be foolish to continue this on as though I would. Have a pleasant evening. What? Do you even know Tygaland's history? Wait, stupid question. Obviously you don't, don't worry though I will rid you of this ignorance. Tyga left NpO after the white team was founded which was a little after GWII if my own memory is correct. Since then in every single war that Tygaland has won in the STA he gave the opposing alliance a white peace. How in gods name is that Hegemony or Sponge/Doitzel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcdt94 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) My question is an expansion of the topic. When you release individual terms, you assume you're winning. When you win, things end up your way. If things end up their way, will they be against change?OOC: That, and you're not a mod. The war stats seem to support that Karma is winning this war quite decisively. I suppose you will want to write off the stats as biased or something, though. Edited April 26, 2009 by lcdt94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 This is the main difference between Hegemony and Karma. Karma fights because it wants to in order to make Bob a better place, whereas Hegemony is fighting because they are forced to through treaty obligations. Enjoy your "honor" once your nation is in shambles, you fool. My personal honor is more important to me than my nations infra or my land or my tech, I'd rather be the leader of a 3rd world country(OOC:ZI'd and etc) and have my own personal satisfaction in knowing I defending my friends, if the entire Karma side actually got along(You Don't) then maybe you'd know what I mean, and no, most on my side fight to defend their allies, everyone should fight to defend their allies, if you wont defend them you shouldn't have signed a treaty to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) What? Do you even know Tygaland's history? Wait, stupid question. Obviously you don't, don't worry though I will rid you of this ignorance.Tyga left NpO after the white team was founded which was a little after GWII if my own memory is correct. Since then in every single war that Tygaland has won in the STA he gave the opposing alliance a white peace. How in gods name is that Hegemony or Sponge/Doitzel? Not wishing to back a Valhalla member here but Tiggah (also known as the Eric) is well aware of the history, he was senior ODN govt during GW1 and is pretty well informed..if a little Biased Edited April 26, 2009 by Cataduanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerius Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 o/ Karma! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Cao Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 That, however, was not the question. Do you think the alliances that support Karma will be against the next large change in Bob? Once they get things to the way they want them, will they be against change? Freedom necessarily allows change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 What? Do you even know Tygaland's history? Wait, stupid question. Obviously you don't, don't worry though I will rid you of this ignorance.Tyga left NpO after the white team was founded which was a little after GWII if my own memory is correct. Since then in every single war that Tygaland has won in the STA he gave the opposing alliance a white peace. How in gods name is that Hegemony or Sponge/Doitzel? Don't attack people and jump down their throats just because they're new. Besides it doesn't work anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruthenia Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Don't attack people and jump down their throats just because they're new.Besides it doesn't work anyways. The guy he was responding to isn't new though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmag Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Pacificans do not surrender. Any NPO members that did surrender were spies planted by Karma to trick Pacificans into thinking it is okay to surrender. You will never take us alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 The war stats seem to support that Karma is winning this war quite decisively. I suppose you will want to write off the stats as biased or something, though. Stats are not biased, but there is still a fighting chance for my side. I'd appreciate it if you did not assume me dead already. Oh, and I promised I'd do this: Fight Well MudBug! Never back down, never surrender! Pacifica Prevails! :jihad: I'm sorry. I had to get that out of my system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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