Sulmar Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Not really knowing anything about this situation, all I have to say is that this is an interesting move for VE. Whatever the $%&@ CN is about, political maneuvers and shenanigans are the name of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 If an alliance did that to myself I'd be offended. I would speculate there're many in IRON who feel the same way. You know, one would think that if you were going to cancel on the two largest alliances in the game. you would at least try and keep it low key. Touting reasons in public really doesn't keep things low key. I'm not sure why you'd think it was beneficial to throw in a few last parting shots at IRON and NPO, but I've heard that waking sleeping giants isn't beneficial to your health. I know I'm a little late but, this post reminds me GGA. This just show that you(I mean you not TORN) fear your allies and what could happen if you cancel with them. I don't see VE reasons to cancel it as insults unless they are lies what I doubt, I'm really tired of this "Private Channels" excuse to keep bad things hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Good luck to all parties. May cooler heads prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I have nothing bad to say about the Hegemony. You see a lot of bad, I suppose. I see a lot of good things that have been done. I see more stability, many opportunities for growth for those wishing to branch out on their own. I see Q as using part of it's influence to encourage diplomatic resolution as opposed to flat out rolling people. To me, the bloc could be used for good or for ill, like any tool. This one does a lot of good, and as a Q alliance leader, the good it does is something I see and experience every day. I don't think we've been living in the same Cyberverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I am pleased to see the apology towards The International. That entire situation was unnecessary. As for the treaty cancellations; it's about time. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 VE got balls son. Indeed. Egore would be proud.I admire your courage for standing up for what you believe in again, VE. Let's hope it doesn't turn out like last time. Egore would be. He meant because IRON cancelled first. Who cares who cancelled first. Reminds me of sixth graders. "I dumped her first" says the boy "No way! I dumped you first!" replies the girl *Realizing the boy is wrong..* "SHE IS A WHORE!" he screams Really, who cares. Blatant or not, if you read between the lines, the insults are there. No insults. They are merely canceling treaties as a public announcement. YOU don't know what has happened via private channels, I love how when alliances begin to decrease relations, others expect this form of 'decency for former friends' yet when their allies do it, it is completely different. Just a neutral perspective. Or, you know, I was just making a comment as to what I observed. The government of TORN has not stated anything regarding this matter in public or private, so maybe you should think twice before insulting alliances. You just insulted an alliance. Take your own advice mate. The reasons could have been adequately conveyed in private as well as a notice of cancellation, that would have been honorable. Instead VE have publicly bashed on there former allies in an attempt to glorify their cancellations. That is reality. Maybe I am old school but I am of the opinion that no soap opera is needed when it comes to treaty cancellations unless there are alternative motives at play, such as making your own balls look larger than they are in reality. Best of luck with that I guess.How convenient they should choose this moment to announce their apology, personally I feel it deserved it's own thread but I'll digress. I am an old timer, in fact, been playing this game for nearly years now. Coming from me, I will happily say cancellations have always been a publicly announced matter, I recall IRON doing it with Jarheads (protectorate TREATY). They aren't 'insulting their former allies', doing so would be in other regards. An apology doesn't deserve its own thread, they gave their apology and thus canceled as they seem fit. The fact would still linger they canceled directly after an apology. (I wont touch GGAs' treaty) Though IRON may not cancel treaties mate, your allies do. I don't see you there claiming insults. Since when is merely announcing the canceling of a treaty an 'insult'? In fact, YOU'RE insulting your former ally merely for the allegations you have made, YOU'RE no better. "Well, they insulted us first..." Well, that is subjective because maybe you insulted them first through private means. So many different mitigating circumstances could have unfolded, so don't have shock when CN public has only seen this thread nor an official statement from IRON mate. . As Rayvon said: "All your cancellations provided reason as well. They weren't empty or without purpose. And they didn't insinuate a looming doom, much as you and yours seem to claim this thread does." If an alliance did that to myself I'd be offended. I would speculate there're many in IRON who feel the same way. You know, one would think that if you were going to cancel on the two largest alliances in the game. you would at least try and keep it low key. Touting reasons in public really doesn't keep things low key. I'm not sure why you'd think it was beneficial to throw in a few last parting shots at IRON and NPO, but I've heard that waking sleeping giants isn't beneficial to your health. They merely announced this. The members of the Cyberverse made this a big deal, such as yourself. And me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Jesus Christ this whole 'conversation' is stupid. Somebody attack someone already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Does RIA have issues with Q? Do you have an issue with RIA? Furthermore: GGA-VE treaty was terrible. Edited March 24, 2009 by Ejayrazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Jesus Christ this whole 'conversation' is stupid. Somebody attack someone already. He can't. They're all out of range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Jesus Christ this whole 'conversation' is stupid. Somebody attack someone already. Stop talking and go update the tattler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Jesus Christ this whole 'conversation' is stupid. Somebody attack someone already. Ordering attack on Llamatopia as we speak. Wait,...out of range by miles. Oh well, unfortunately, we must stick to stupid conversations ES Life can be cruel like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 He can't. They're all out of range. Only you Delta. Only you. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzptm Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Nueva Vida supports its allies in the Viridian Entente: no treaty cancellations here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) He can't. They're all out of range. Did you really just....what? ...*explodes* Edited March 24, 2009 by mythicknight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 He can't. They're all out of range. I lol'd...hard. Anyway, good to see someone who sees treaties as a two way commitment rather than mere protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian LaCroix Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 He can't. They're all out of range. The thread has been won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Apologies the principles bit was directed at early posters I can see where that got confusing. As for the term:"Should one signatory feel the need to withdraw from the treaty, the must give the other signatory a forty-eight hour's notice, in which it will be announced at the end of the forty-eight hour time period. After the announcement of this treaty's termination, Articles I and II are to remain in effect for a remaining seventy-two hours." I see nothing wrong with this. It never says NOT to announce before the 48 hours, it just says it NEEDS an announcement after the end of 48 hours. Nothing broken here. Continue forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virillus Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) He can't. They're all out of range. GR considers this a threat to our member nation, Someone 77. I suggest you back down, heathen. Edited March 24, 2009 by Virillus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 He can't. They're all out of range. Oh my Delta haha [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 The greatest thing VE ever did! o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Mayflies Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 You see that ODN? That's what a spine looks like. Fascinating, I know. Bout time someone had the balls to cancel on the hypocrisy that is 1V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Good work Delta, now back to the stupid argument about ... wait what were you all arguing about? 20 pages about some clause in a treaty? I suppose this is why the Continuum is scrambling to get its battle thralls in line for an attack. VE I recommend peace mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxNation Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 hell yes VE, get independant again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremierJames Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I see nothing wrong with this. It never says NOT to announce before the 48 hours, it just says it NEEDS an announcement after the end of 48 hours.Nothing broken here. Continue forward. Yep, he speaks truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egore Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Stay strong, VE. You're doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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