Jump to content

North Atlantic Defense Coalition Announcement


Recommended Posts

Ah, I see how it is. Fok announces that they're keeping the status quo (they're keeping ties to their former protectorate, how shocking) and are hailed as having honor. NADC cancels a treaty (that they would have honored and still will probably honor for the next 48 hours) with an alliance from whom they had drifted apart and no longer felt they had the needed friendship to support (I've been there) and are criticized for being cowards, puppets, or having no balls.

Those that lament the proliferation of treaties that they see as empty should be hailing this. Here is an alliance canceling a treaty because it had become empty and no longer reflected what relations actually were. They didn't keep it for appearances or for power, two reasons some alliance leaders seem to think are shallow reasons to have a treaty, and yet they're still criticized. You may not like NADC or agree with this move, but at least it changes something. You're welcome to hail the status quo, but I'll be welcoming the change.

Good luck to both parties in the future and I hope you find the love again.

Thank you. Your posts are always the best.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 183
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Ah, I see how it is. Fok announces that they're keeping the status quo (they're keeping ties to their former protectorate, how shocking) and are hailed as having honor. NADC cancels a treaty (that they would have honored and still will probably honor for the next 48 hours) with an alliance from whom they had drifted apart and no longer felt they had the needed friendship to support (I've been there) and are criticized for being cowards, puppets, or having no balls.

Those that lament the proliferation of treaties that they see as empty should be hailing this. Here is an alliance canceling a treaty because it had become empty and no longer reflected what relations actually were. They didn't keep it for appearances or for power, two reasons some alliance leaders seem to think are shallow reasons to have a treaty, and yet they're still criticized. You may not like NADC or agree with this move, but at least it changes something. You're welcome to hail the status quo, but I'll be welcoming the change.

Good luck to both parties in the future and I hope you find the love again.

As someone with absolutely no inside knowledge of what, if anything, is going to happen, I think you may have missed the reason why many people are claiming this to be cowardice.

Given the rumours of TGE being "rolled", I think the people attacking NADC for this are doing it because they don't believe NADC's story, and think it is merely a case of Optional Spinatisis.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Given the rumours of TGE being "rolled", I think the people attacking NADC for this are doing it because they don't believe NADC's story, and think it is merely a case of Optional Spinatisis.

Either you believe us or don't. That's fine. The opinions of the OWF don't really affect the situation. If you want more details, I recommend that you contact NADC diplomatic staff via IRC or PM.

If TGE was attacked tonight, I would push like hell to get NADC to their defense. I mean it. That is how important the North Sea Accords are to me. However, our relationship is not to that level at this time. So, we need to reconsider our official, treaty status.

This is hard, no doubt. But necessary for any alliance that takes treaties seriously.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good luck to both parties. Whatever you think TGE's done, I'd say Admin's throwing pebbles at them. I'd just hope, if I were them, they wouldn't turn into boulders.

Whether or not NADC is noble or not by your opinion isn't really the question. The question should be, what made NADC feel like they had to cancel this treaty?

Edited by Ghostlin
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Either you believe us or don't. That's fine. The opinions of the OWF don't really affect the situation. If you want more details, I recommend that you contact NADC diplomatic staff via IRC or PM.

You really have not given those of us in the "OWF" anything to judge. Other than the obvious, that you are cancelling a treaty because another alliance told you to do so.

Nothing new in that for the NADC. :popcorn:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The "we're doing this because we had grown apart" justification is very suspect when it's accompanied by several other cancellations. If it was by itself I'd buy it, but given the circumstances I have a very hard time believing it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The "we're doing this because we had grown apart" justification is very suspect when it's accompanied by several other cancellations. If it was by itself I'd buy it, but given the circumstances I have a very hard time believing it.

Shush you, lest the MK have to pay more reps! )):

Edited by Kronuso
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is a very interesting announcement, mostly due to TPF's recent treaty drop with TGE, as has already been noted. What confuses me is that in order for TPF to attack TGE, all those Continuum alliances with ODP's or whatever with TGE would have to drop them due to the wording of Q, or TPF would have to leave, and I don't see that happening unless some mighty sh*t has been going on behind the scenes, which I doubt. But the two treaty drops in a row just seem very curious...

Edited by Francesca
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is a very interesting announcement, mostly due to TPF's recent treaty drop with TGE, as has already been noted. What confuses me is that in order for TPF to attack TGE, all those Continuum alliances with ODP's or whatever with TGE would have to drop them due to the wording of Q, or TPF would have to leave, and I don't see that happening unless some mighty sh*t has been going on behind the scenes, which I doubt. But the two treaty drops in a row just seem very curious...

Most likely TPF will not be the alliance that will hit TGE directly, if their SNOW pleas are any cue. TGE really has no treaties of importance now outside of that with TOOL. If history guides us, TOOL will continue to tow the TPF line. That leaves TGE on the side the Continuum has been wanting to hit for over a year: FOK/TGE/TOP/Gramlins/Umbrella/etc

Edited by Kronuso
Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is a very interesting announcement, mostly due to TPF's recent treaty drop with TGE, as has already been noted. What confuses me is that in order for TPF to attack TGE, all those Continuum alliances with ODP's or whatever with TGE would have to drop them due to the wording of Q, or TPF would have to leave, and I don't see that happening unless some mighty sh*t has been going on behind the scenes, which I doubt. But the two treaty drops in a row just seem very curious...

I've seen this pattern before.

Either that or the Cyberverse is prone to repetitive coincidences. But, with no real story on what has happened, who am I to judge?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Most likely TPF will not be the alliance that will hit TGE directly, if their SNOW pleas are any cue. TGE really has no treaties of importance now outside of that with TOOL. If history guides us, TOOL will continue to tow the TPF line. That leaves TGE on the side the Continuum has been wanting to hit for over a year: FOK/TGE/Gramlins/Umbrella/etc

TGE has a treaty with FOK, which is of extreme importance. Interestingly tho, FOK isn't actually in Citadel, just closely tied to them. And I don't think the Continuum will go to war with Citadel at this point.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

TGE has a treaty with FOK, which is of extreme importance. Interestingly tho, FOK isn't actually in Citadel, just closely tied to them. And I don't think the Continuum will go to war with Citadel at this point.

Oh yeah, thanks for the clarifier, I assumed that part was understood.

tC really, really wants these alliances, especially the Citadel grouping, humbled. And yes, that includes secondary/roll-down signatories like Fark, RoK, RIA, etc.

Edited by Kronuso
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Oh yeah, thanks for the clarifier, I assumed that part was understood.

Hey, it wasn't especially for your benefit, although it was relevant to your post. It was so others that read this might have that information.

tC really, really wants these alliances, especially Citadel, humbled. And yes, that includes secondary/roll-down signatories like Fark, RoK, RIA, etc.

I suppose that includes alliances like TOP, too?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Oh yeah, thanks for the clarifier, I assumed that part was understood.

tC really, really wants these alliances, especially the Citadel grouping, humbled. And yes, that includes secondary/roll-down signatories like Fark, RoK, RIA, etc.

Whoa, hold up there cowboy, so you're saying that we want to humble ourselves? :unsure:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Aw, gawn, get off the grass mate :rolleyes:

You Voxians always roll out the same sorta garbage in the hope of inspiring a bit of mindless drama, what with your conspiracy theorimisations and dastardly popcorn-munching :D

There is much truth in popcorn. But you now this, and post only to dissimulate.

Dat kool.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You really have not given those of us in the "OWF" anything to judge. Other than the obvious, that you are cancelling a treaty because another alliance told you to do so.

Evidence to the point, please? Allegations of a conspiracy should be accompanied by proof.

This is a very interesting announcement, mostly due to TPF's recent treaty drop with TGE, as has already been noted. What confuses me is that in order for TPF to attack TGE, all those Continuum alliances with ODP's or whatever with TGE would have to drop them due to the wording of Q, or TPF would have to leave, and I don't see that happening unless some mighty sh*t has been going on behind the scenes, which I doubt. But the two treaty drops in a row just seem very curious...

From what I gather, the public view is that NADC does not honor its treaties due to being cowardly. Thus, why would TPF or any other alliance need to go through the effort to get NADC to drop an optional defense treaty which wasn't going to come into play anyway? Aside from making things look nice and clean (which would probably mean all MDAPs and MDoAPs had been cleared away first) it's a meaningless act. I'd hazard that the grand conspirators at work here 1) are incredibly and inexcuseably incompetant to the point that anything they do would fail within minutes of inception (see: The Rebillon) or 2) don't exist.

Edited by Tokugawa Mitsukuni
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...