Gibsonator21 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 I, for one, prefer to save denigrating, or complimenting, my opponents until after the fighting has concluded, so I will defer any such comments until such time as the overall performances can be assessed. (I know that I am swimming against the current in this regard, but what can I say? I'm a social misfit.) You're a rebel. I like you. @NPO: I need a baka sighting please and thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Shows you just how outdated Tywin's perspective really is. ;) If you start doing and supporting retarded actions again and then falsely justify it with Francoism, it is not outdated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) I eagerly await this "grinding." I'm getting kind of bored over here. It must be true. I think he needs to take a look at who Polars allies are again. Most of them are a long way from being warriors. Will that be this war? The next one? Gotta save the date, pumped. Am I to believe that all 4 of you actually think that an alliance suffers nothing if it ends up on the winning side? Your alliances will be ground down regardless of who surrenders, and it will not have been to your own benefit. Edited November 16, 2014 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I know at least two of your are dumb, but am I to believe that all 4 of you actually think that an alliance suffers nothing if it ends up on the winning side? Your alliances will be ground down regardless of who surrenders, and it will not have been to your own benefit. You've been on the winning side of a war, Schatt. Are you saying there's never a clear-cut winner? Are you saying every victor ultimately loses? I'm a bit confused here. It's almost as if you're making some kind of argument in favor of peace and neutrality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) You've been on the winning side of a war, Schatt. Are you saying there's never a clear-cut winner? Are you saying every victor ultimately loses? I'm a bit confused here. It's almost as if you're making some kind of argument in favor of peace and neutrality. Schatt is highlighting one of the underlying truths of the world, particularly the contemporary world. In the absence of material terms, the only real winners in a war are those who do not fight in it. Edited November 16, 2014 by Sardonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Schatt is highlighting one of the underlying truths of the world, particularly the contemporary world. In the absence of material terms, the only real winners in a war are those who do not fight in it. So it's an argument in favor of crippling reparations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 So it's an argument in favor of crippling reparations? Heh, one could see it that way I suppose. The world has moved on from that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamkeatley Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Even though it isnt entirely accurate, this is probably the best post in the thread for describing people's feelings as to why all of the rhetoric in this thread and others is ridiculous. This war was kicked off because people wanted to fight it. No more, no less. I'd imagine there would be less apathy, and more spirited involvement, had this war started more similarly to the others mentioned above. Could not agree more. This sentiment needs to be appended to the top of every page of this thread. NPO wanted to hit SNX to get stuck into the opposing soon-to-be-coalition, saying anything but that is just disingenuous and sad, really. "Just honouring our ally", bull. This was an ally you signed with within 48 hours of attacking, during a lull in escalation of a DS attempts to ignite a war, based on one rogue nation attacking.... It is so transparent that it is actually shocking that you spent so long on the OP to try and cover up the "We have been involved in organising this war with the Doomsphere for some time now and well, here it is.". Just play it straight and honest. GK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) We've been trying to cover stuff up? I think I've said repeatedly I just enjoy blowing stuff up and the powers that be decided SNX would happen to be it aka, stuff. :P Edited November 16, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamkeatley Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 We've been trying to cover stuff up? I think I've said repeatedly I just enjoy blowing stuff up and the powers that be decided SNX would happen to be it aka, stuff. :P The babble in the OP... "And our allies have picked a side, so we will lend our support to it with the full weight of our military arsenal." This ally is an ally signed with after the "charge against the Polarsphere" had already begun. Blah. Anyway, like I said transparent and not exactly a good cover up story. NPO picked their side, were involved from the outset in setting the sides and then when they finally attack say "Oops, allies asked us... sorry, nothing personal." GK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzyzewskiville Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 The babble in the OP... "And our allies have picked a side, so we will lend our support to it with the full weight of our military arsenal." This ally is an ally signed with after the "charge against the Polarsphere" had already begun. Blah. Anyway, like I said transparent and not exactly a good cover up story. NPO picked their side, were involved from the outset in setting the sides and then when they finally attack say "Oops, allies asked us... sorry, nothing personal." GK Umbrella isn't our only ally. Just because we were one of the earlier alliances in, and that Umbrella is our only ally who preceded our entry, does not mean that Umbrella is our only ally who picked this war. Big wars like this take a lot of commitment from a lot of alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Umbrella isn't our only ally. Just because we were one of the earlier alliances in, and that Umbrella is our only ally who preceded our entry, does not mean that Umbrella is our only ally who picked this war. Big wars like this take a lot of commitment from a lot of alliances. You would think, wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamkeatley Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Umbrella isn't our only ally. Just because we were one of the earlier alliances in, and that Umbrella is our only ally who preceded our entry, does not mean that Umbrella is our only ally who picked this war. Big wars like this take a lot of commitment from a lot of alliances. That may work out that way, and I am one of your allies who has not picked a side in this fight. I am merely pointing out that how NPO is acting is not up front and genuine. Yes, some of the individuals are saying this is war, this is just war, this is this and that. But the official line is and your personal sentiment is "allies have picked sides", but it is NPO that had picked their side even if no other allies had because Umbrella were courted or vice verse. I don't believe NPO are puppets or any such rhetoric being spouted, but you certainly are not acting to support your allies (except one right now), while saying you are. GK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Recap NPO Imperial Decree: We align with Chaos to get revenge for the Disorder War with no actionable plan for the future NpO Imperial Decree: We take a stand against the rogue attacks and assaults on civilization waged by DBDC since Mushqaeda Quiz: 1. Which alliance best represents the principles of Order established by Imperator Emeritus Ivan Moldavi? 2. Which alliance uses watered-down Francoism yet again to justify bad long-term policy decision-making? 3. Which alliance loses even if it wins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terekhov Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Quiz: How many fallacies can you cram into one post? :P Edited November 16, 2014 by Terekhov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 The babble in the OP... "And our allies have picked a side, so we will lend our support to it with the full weight of our military arsenal." This ally is an ally signed with after the "charge against the Polarsphere" had already begun. Blah. Anyway, like I said transparent and not exactly a good cover up story. NPO picked their side, were involved from the outset in setting the sides and then when they finally attack say "Oops, allies asked us... sorry, nothing personal." GK I don't think we're trying to use it as a "cover story" per say.. as simply a reason for why SNX and not some other group. There's a difference between the two. We just looked for who we wanted to align with then helped them smite their enemy, not really anything too complicated about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty of the Herm Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Quiz: How many fallacies can you cram into one post? :P By my count there are at least nine or ten but who counts anyways? It's way overrated compared to crying over us being ebil! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Am I to believe that all 4 of you actually think that an alliance suffers nothing if it ends up on the winning side? Your alliances will be ground down regardless of who surrenders, and it will not have been to your own benefit.You I was pumped last war, im pumped this war its a great aspect of cn. What you believe is irrelevant but i hope taking broad stabs at other peoples intelligence is rewarding for you in some way. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! *Rips Alexit's throat out for stealing the last target in his range!* MY TARGET YOU !@#$%^&! MINE MINE MINE! Someone come fight me! My own alliance is preventing me from shredding people by being too good at destroying them! Edited November 16, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 The new Chaos Spawn are looking more and more degenerate, this one looks almost like a dragon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) And you.. look like an insect.. *steps on Tywin and munches*.. never pass up extra nutrition, no matter how small it is :PThen again, it is a Tywin bug.. it might be poisonous. Has been to everything else that's consumed it. *Spits the Tywin bug out and goes to wash out his mouth in the Francograd moat.* Edited November 16, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I would say first world problems...but you aren't the First World :V: That would be DBDC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) I had to weaken myself.. just to get a target.. *roars with laughter*. Umm Sorry CCC. This dragon is flying CAP and your man flew to high. Edited November 16, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemania Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 The babble in the OP... "And our allies have picked a side, so we will lend our support to it with the full weight of our military arsenal." This ally is an ally signed with after the "charge against the Polarsphere" had already begun. Blah. Anyway, like I said transparent and not exactly a good cover up story. NPO picked their side, were involved from the outset in setting the sides and then when they finally attack say "Oops, allies asked us... sorry, nothing personal." GK In your previous post to this .. you mentioned conveniency of our Treaty with Umbrella. All i can say is bullderdash Letum stated that we have chosen to follow our allies to the other side .. if you look at their treaty signings since the last war you will see that could not be more true than anything. NPO had choices as stated as well and we chose to stick with our allies. Even during that time we made peace with a few AA on your side ( Fark and R&R ) if you also seen our newest NAPs. Nothing was done from convenience as you claim this has been how the world evolved from the last war. Our gov worked hard and put many hours into improving relations with them for all the years we had this hatred or non love between us. Personally i would take a time out and for you to go back to before the Disorder war and see and try and figure out why we are at this point. Sure people wanted war .. well it is here for whatever reason it may be and sure debate the reasoning. If polar claims they tried to make peace with us and be friends then obviously there was not enough of a attempt on their side as well i would think hence why we are at this point. Before one casts a stone maybe just maybe look at the history for the last year and maybe if you can accept your own criticism of yourself then you will see why we are here and not there for say. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) The maelstrom posts are the only good ones from NPO :p But now we have war to discuss: As I noted elsewhere, NPO has really allowed themselves to be manipulated into a very poor position. They should try to negotiate a clean exit early before they lose too much strength, which will be needed against their new friends down the road. Edited November 16, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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