Ardus Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Krack' timestamp='1327957201' post='2910814'] The war screen says otherwise. The two nations at war with KaitlinK were not flying the MK AA when war began. If they are affiliated with MK now, that's only because MK accepted nations who were involved in active wars. Do you have an opinion on that and it's relation to past precedent? ... Oh. [/quote] We never told anybody they weren't members. To the contrary, we've only stated that they are members. Alliance memberships, endorsement, and protections are not exclusively dictated by the affiliation flown over a nation at a given time. If AA were all that mattered, alliances would be unable to declare nations ghosts and we'd be stuck weeping for our dear misguided friends. Thankfully we live in a more thoughtful world than the simplistic vision promoted by infamous Palmettian Supreme Court Justice Klarence Thomah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Tequila Mockingbird' timestamp='1327909277' post='2910468'] Any attempt to remove Emperor Bob Ilyani or Regent Joe Stupid from their rightful positions within Ragnarok will be met with extreme military force. Yours truly, Tequila Mockingbird, Vice Kommandur of the Ragnarok Liberation Front. [/quote] [quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1327954557' post='2910778'] Joe and Bob are the rightful rulers of Ragnarok. You cannot deny your own charter. [/quote] Joe the slurper seeded all his claims to me, the problem has been solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Krack' timestamp='1327957201' post='2910814'] The war screen says otherwise. The two nations at war with KaitlinK were not flying the MK AA when war began. If they are affiliated with MK now, that's only because MK accepted nations who were involved in active wars. Do you have an opinion on that and it's relation to past precedent? ... Oh. [/quote] This was already addressed, but you ignored it. The members in question were always a part of MK. The Mushroom Kingdom has a long history of nations going off to various AAs, either mocking events, ghosting allies (for help with wars or sanctions), or just general fun (such as for our factions). A member who leaves the MK AA does not automatically leave MK. The situation with those declaring wars on Kait, and Kait's situation are actually completely opposite. In MK's case it was members who swapped AAs to make a declaration, while remaining members. In Kait's scenario, she remained on the RoK AA the entire time, but the Government in charge declared her to no longer be a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens of the desert Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1327957653' post='2910824'] Joe the slurper seeded all his claims to me, the problem has been solved. [/quote] Yuck. I would find it less disturbing if he had only ceded them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Jens of the desert' timestamp='1327957855' post='2910828'] Yuck. I would find it less disturbing if he had only ceded them... [/quote] we're talking about a [b]slurper[/b] here. Of course he'd do something nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholy Culkin Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 If only we could all be as masterful as Krack when it comes to being wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perceus Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Megamind' timestamp='1327957530' post='2910822'] But you can apparently remove the rightful leader of an alliance if you happen to be an admin of the alliance's forum... Also you (as in the larger you, not you personally) keep saying that it was the memberships' decision. When exactly did the membership have time to discuss and make that decision? This whole thing really began when the RoK forum was taken down and when it was put back up Bob and Joe were banned... [/quote] it was apparently decided BEFORE the forums went down, when Bob and Joe tried to justify and explain their actions to the RoK membership on their forums. You'd know that if you had actually taken the time to read all posts from all parties. Edited January 30, 2012 by Perceus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamind Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Perceus' timestamp='1327959834' post='2910856'] it was apparently decided BEFORE the forums went down, when Bob and Joe tried to justify and explain their actions to the RoK membership on their forums. You'd know that if you had actually taken the time to read all posts from all parties. [/quote] Decided by who and with what authority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Megamind' timestamp='1327960444' post='2910863'] Decided by who and with what authority? [/quote] Me I am the authority of Ragnarok. Joe Stupid said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamind Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1327960874' post='2910869'] Me I am the authority of Ragnarok. Joe Stupid said so. [/quote] But he said that after he was banned from the forums. Did you travel back in time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Megamind' timestamp='1327961058' post='2910873'] But he said that after he was banned from the forums. Did you travel back in time? [/quote] You are no the authority on Ragnarok. You don't know what he said and when he said. I AM the authority on Ragnarok. If you are supporting the slurpees than you can go brain freeze yourself, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamind Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1327961188' post='2910874'] You are no the authority on Ragnarok. You don't know what he said and when he said. I AM the authority on Ragnarok. If you are supporting the slurpees than you can go brain freeze yourself, thanks. [/quote] But you yourself have been quoting the post he made in this forum as proof of your rightful leadership of RoK. Why would you do that if he had given you leadership of the alliance at a previous point in time? Again I feel I must ask, do you have a time machine?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Megamind' timestamp='1327961360' post='2910877'] But you yourself have been quoting the post he made in this forum as proof of your rightful leadership of RoK. Why would you do that if he had given you leadership of the alliance at a previous point in time? Again I feel I must ask, do you have a time machine?! [/quote] I was the Clear Authority for a long time. Just because there was a post later in time confirming that I was the Clear Authority, does not mean I haven't been the Clear Authority for a much longer time. Would you dare say Umbrella was fake before their DoE three months later? It would just be incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Ok so wait let me get this straight. Rampage appoints Bob as leader. Bob takes Joe as 2nd in charge. Lots of treaties go in the trash and some internal stuff which I dont understand/know of happens. Something about Kait and MK raiding her. Then Adel says bye Bob and coups him. Bob fights back but a few other RoKers fight back and support Adel and I guess it looks like Adel wins. So a coup is coup. Am I getting most of the important points or am I missing some stuff? This honestly has to be the funniest thing Ive seen in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='King Death II' timestamp='1327961652' post='2910884'] Ok so wait let me get this straight. Rampage appoints Bob as leader. Bob takes Joe as 2nd in charge. Lots of treaties go in the trash and some internal stuff which I dont understand/know of happens. Something about Kait and MK raiding her. Then Adel says bye Bob and coups him. Bob fights back but a few other RoKers fight back and support Adel and I guess it looks like Adel wins. So a coup is coup. Am I getting most of the important points or am I missing some stuff? This honestly has to be the funniest thing Ive seen in a while. [/quote] Bob and Joe released their claim to the throne and gave it to me. Otherwise you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1327961749' post='2910885'] Bob and Joe released their claim to the throne and gave it to me. Otherwise you're right. [/quote] Why haven't you made an announcement clearing all of this up then? Joe/bob made a thread, there's this thread, now where is yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='iamthey' timestamp='1327961981' post='2910887'] Why haven't you made an announcement clearing all of this up then? Joe/bob made a thread, there's this thread, now where is yours? [/quote] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=108795"]here it is[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I think what we need is a RoK forum poll to lay this to rest... [quote]Who do you want as Emperor/Empress? Adel Bobby-Joe Omni[/quote] Let the campaigning begin! Omni/Adel I think im torn between you two so make a good case... a pledge to reduce sales tax on Bourbon would be a good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1327957544' post='2910823'] We never told anybody they weren't members. To the contrary, we've only stated that they are members. Alliance memberships, endorsement, and protections are not exclusively dictated by the affiliation flown over a nation at a given time. If AA were all that mattered, alliances would be unable to declare nations ghosts and we'd be stuck weeping for our dear misguided friends. Thankfully we live in a more thoughtful world than the simplistic vision promoted by infamous Palmettian Supreme Court Justice Klarence Thomah. [/quote] I think this implies that the rest of the planet follows your laws of sovereignty. Edited January 30, 2012 by IYIyTh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1327962535' post='2910894'] I think what we need is a RoK forum poll to lay this to rest... Let the campaigning begin! Omni/Adel I think im torn between you two so make a good case... a pledge to reduce sales tax on Bourbon would be a good start [/quote] To be fair, I'm allowing Adel to rule in my stead, because I'm too busy. However, I will never allow the slurpers to return to Ragnarok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev0win Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Glad to see the formal announcement of the restructure go up. I hope RoK and its retired gov can sort things out. Joe and Bob were great for RoK not too long ago and this turn of events has a lot of people dazed and confused. Best of wishes to everyone. o/ RoK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamind Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1327961627' post='2910883'] I was the Clear Authority for a long time. Just because there was a post later in time confirming that I was the Clear Authority, does not mean I haven't been the Clear Authority for a much longer time. Would you dare say Umbrella was fake before their DoE three months later? It would just be incorrect. [/quote] Those two situations are in no way comparable. The evidence for Umbrella's existence was right there on the alliance page. The evidence for your leadership prior to Joe's post doesn't exist and if it does you have yet to show it. Now if you are indeed in possession of a time machine, which all the signs seems to indicate that you are, then it would be reasonable to assume that you used it to travel back in time and order the banishment of Bob and Joe from the RoK forums. However if you continue to claim that you aren't in possession of a time machine then I must insist that you provide evidence to support your claim prior to Joe's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookavich Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1327962554' post='2910895'] I think this implies that the rest of the planet follows your laws of sovereignty. [/quote]You very well know that what Ardus is saying is the generally accepted precedent when it comes to membership in alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamind Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1327962554' post='2910895'] I think this implies that the rest of the planet follows your laws of sovereignty. [/quote] Considering that we live on MK controlled Bob, I would say it is fair to assume that what Ardus says is the generally accepted precedence EDIT: Damn you cookavich Edited January 30, 2012 by Megamind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='Megamind' timestamp='1327962743' post='2910899'] Those two situations are in no way comparable. The evidence for Umbrella's existence was right there on the alliance page. The evidence for your leadership prior to Joe's post doesn't exist and if it does you have yet to show it. Now if you are indeed in possession of a time machine, which all the signs seems to indicate that you are, then it would be reasonable to assume that you used it to travel back in time and order the banishment of Bob and Joe from the RoK forums. However if you continue to claim that you aren't in possession of a time machine then I must insist that you provide evidence to support your claim prior to Joe's post. [/quote] here you go [img]http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu185/Omniscientone/roklogs.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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