Piratemonkey530 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 [quote name='Gloin' timestamp='1307690813' post='2728498'] Where's Keve? I want more CN drama and I want it now! [/quote] Keve unfortunately is away at a military training camp. No one knows when he gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonator21 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307707250' post='2728557'] Keve unfortunately is away at a military training camp. No one knows when he gets back. [/quote] Wow is he in for a rude awakening. XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 [quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1307708876' post='2728572'] Wow is he in for a rude awakening. XD [/quote] Yeah, tell me about it! xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307683863' post='2728456'] Yes, what is done is done. Maybe this war was precedented, yes. I do not doubt that R&R is a respectable alliance considering that peace terms have come along which to me are not harsh but on the contrary, rather reasonable. I will speak the truth and say that I myself was rather inactive throughout these months but I definitely would have done something to help but alas, it was not possible for me. I can not speak on behalf of the other government members but as me, Piratemonkey the Minister of Internal Affairs, I would like to apologize for the actions of our ex-leader Keve and for our governments actions, or in this case no action at all. I hope we can prove to you one day that we have changed. Obviously we have not completely changed yet, but are definitely on track. Best of luck in the future. [/quote] It really took a long time for Keve's lapdog alliance to become R&R's lapdog alliance. Not that that's a criticism of R&R, it's more of an observation of the harsh reality of running a micro alliance; sucking up, to whoever is convenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 [quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1307713380' post='2728589'] It really took a long time for Keve's lapdog alliance to become R&R's lapdog alliance. Not that that's a criticism of R&R, it's more of an observation of the harsh reality of running a micro alliance; sucking up, to whoever is convenient. [/quote] Yes it is agreeable that micro-alliances must suck up to whoever convenient. I just hope that "whoever convenient" won't have to be R&R for much longer after these terms are completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAAAAAAAAGGGG Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 UINE seems to have a pretty bad case of Stockholm Syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoryproblems Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) The terms you agreed to were !@#$ and RnR was !@#$ to tell you how you HAD to do stuff and have *eternal* terms. You should feel embarrassed that you had to change the charter like this, but RnR should be embarrassed that they made you change is like this. If an alliance wants to fail, you should let it, and not be a bunch of imperialistic asses who parade under the banner of virtue but walk under the banner of imperialism and the inaccurate sense of superiority. Good job, you all suck. Edit: Keve for Emperor! Edited June 11, 2011 by memoryproblems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1307751404' post='2728884'] Good job, you all suck. Edit: Keve for Emperor! [/quote] looks like all you want is UINE to fail. We actually did not want to fail so we accepted the terms. Why doesn't that make sense to anyone? There have been much harsher terms in the history of Planet Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307753130' post='2728910'] looks like all you want is UINE to fail. We actually did not want to fail so we accepted the terms. Why doesn't that make sense to anyone? There have been much harsher terms in the history of Planet Bob. [/quote] Honestly, as incompetent as Keve was, the rest of your members make him look like a shining beacon of superior alliance leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitan Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='MajorLu' timestamp='1307508095' post='2726669'] Note: I originally incorporated democratic reforms into the UINE charter about two years ago to great difficulty. It was removed about a year ago. So on the bright side this event has allowed me to re-incorporate my former democratic policies into UINE. [/quote] It almost seems you couldn't implement the changes you wanted in UINE and used RnR's intervention as an excuse. Did you by any chance ask them to impose charter reforms on you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1307766919' post='2729020'] It almost seems you couldn't implement the changes you wanted in UINE and used RnR's intervention as an excuse. Did you by any chance ask them to impose charter reforms on you? [/quote] Or he's just trying to find the bright side to a horrible situation. R&R forcing us to out Keve gives us a chance to elect a new leader. It's not that complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitan Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307768088' post='2729029'] Or he's just trying to find the bright side to a horrible situation. R&R forcing us to out Keve gives us a chance to elect a new leader. It's not that complicated. [/quote] Well... [quote name='MajorLu' timestamp='1307508095' post='2726669'] Note: I originally incorporated democratic reforms into the UINE charter about two years ago to great difficulty. It was removed about a year ago. So on the bright side this event has allowed me to re-incorporate my former democratic policies into UINE. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukapaka Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307660345' post='2728200'] Alliances should contact more than just two government officials if needed not start out a huge war. If someone had contacted me I would have helped in some way but it seems to me like RnR really didn't want reps, they wanted a another war. [/quote] No, your government should expect higher from your absolute leadership. And I'm sorry, but did you call this war huge? (Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize you lost 2 thousand NS) Hush your mouth, pay more attention, and hold your superiors accountable. [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307747012' post='2728846'] Yes it is agreeable that micro-alliances must suck up to whoever convenient. I just hope that "whoever convenient" won't have to be R&R for much longer after these terms are completed. [/quote] R&R's a micro? Edited June 11, 2011 by Lukapaka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1307770872' post='2729047'] R&R's a micro? [/quote] Nah, he meant UINE is a micro. They've been knocked around so much the past few months that they are kinda at that size atm, but they will rebuild. Especially with the help of MCXA banks. Edited June 11, 2011 by supercoolyellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1307770872' post='2729047'] No, your government should expect higher from your absolute leadership. And I'm sorry, but did you call this war huge? (Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize you lost 2 thousand NS) Hush your mouth, pay more attention, and hold your superiors accountable. [/quote] A huge war as in for UINE. We lost more than 300k strength (for an alliance the size of UINE that's a lot. At one point we used to be more than 2mil strength and now we are a bit over 500k) and I lost more than half of my ns along with many other nations. So maybe it didn't matter for your alliance nor your nation but hey, looks like it mattered for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1307770153' post='2729040'] Well... [/quote] restating a quote does nothing. If you haven't noticed, Lu uses the same exact words as I used. Apparently "on the bright side" doesn't seem to mean much to people now-a-days. It seems to now have a deeper meaning of conspiracy. Yeah... Edited June 11, 2011 by Piratemonkey530 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitan Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Piratemonkey530' timestamp='1307772569' post='2729062'] restating a quote does nothing. If you haven't noticed, Lu uses the same exact words as I used. Apparently "on the bright side" doesn't seem to mean much to people now-a-days. It seems to now have a deeper meaning of conspiracy. Yeah... [/quote] This event allowed him to re-incorporate some charter changes he made 2 years ago and were removed last year. Key word being [b]allowed[/b]. Hence my observation that it almost seems he couldn't implement them on his own and the RnR terms gave him an excuse to do so going around whatever that was not allowing him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMercy Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1307771430' post='2729052'] Nah, he meant UINE is a micro. They've been knocked around so much the past few months that they are kinda at that size atm, but they will rebuild. Especially with the help of MCXA banks. [/quote] ... the perfect match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Archduke Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1307772786' post='2729066'] This event allowed him to re-incorporate some charter changes he made 2 years ago and were removed last year. Key word being [b]allowed[/b]. Hence my observation that it almost seems he couldn't implement them on his own and the RnR terms gave him an excuse to do so going around whatever that was not allowing him to. [/quote] Just because something's now 'allowed' doesn't mean it wasn't earlier... and I think we were going to re-incorporate those changes before we signed the peace treaty anyway. [quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1307771430' post='2729052'] Nah, he meant UINE is a micro. They've been knocked around so much the past few months that they are kinda at that size atm, but they will rebuild. Especially with the help of MCXA banks. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1307771430' post='2729052'] Nah, he meant UINE is a micro. They've been knocked around so much the past few months that they are kinda at that size atm, but they will rebuild. Especially with the help of MCXA banks. [/quote] That $6m is gonna go a long way there buddy (I hope you hold true to this statement and actually do help, im just not seeing much so far) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piratemonkey530 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1307772786' post='2729066'] This event allowed him to re-incorporate some charter changes he made 2 years ago and were removed last year. Key word being [b]allowed[/b]. Hence my observation that it almost seems he couldn't implement them on his own and the RnR terms gave him an excuse to do so going around whatever that was not allowing him to. [/quote] In a way you are correct. We would not have needs for an election if Keve was still the emperor and everything was normal considering Lu was not emperor and could not make those changes. Now that this event happened and the peace terms forcing Keve out of power Lu had the ability to change what he wanted. Do I think that it was intentional? I don't think so. I don't think Lu wanted a war so that he could take control and shove in democratic reforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='The Archduke' timestamp='1307797434' post='2729145'] Just because something's now 'allowed' doesn't mean it wasn't earlier... and I think we were going to re-incorporate those changes before we signed the peace treaty anyway. [/quote] You also thought you would have payed those reps 6 months ago. Thought you were going to remove Keve on your own, but only started after a war broke out because of him... Then you thought you were going to coup him to save your own skin... Edited June 11, 2011 by IYIyTh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Archduke Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1307805673' post='2729206'] You also thought you would have payed those reps 6 months ago. Thought you were going to remove Keve on your own, but only started after a war broke out because of him... Then you thought you were going to coup him to save your own skin... [/quote] Interesting... a constitutional change in accordance with the previous constitution and stated constitutional convention now constitutes a coup. And of course we removed Keve after we discovered he made a really big mistake. Are you suggesting it would have been more appropriate to remove him before? Just because we didn't possess foresight earlier is no excuse for demanding it with the advantage of hindsight. The reason why MCXA has not yet given us much aid yet is because we haven't yet asked for much... members seem too proud to accept their great generosity, or wish to ensure that other members more in need get assistance first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jereish1 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Whats done is done, no matter how much we bicker about how good or bad it was nothing can change whats already been done. The only thing we can do now is see what happens next, and whether that will be good or bad, maybe whats going on with UINE will benefit them for the better and maybe it will just make things a heck of a lot worse. only time will tell. But basically there only options are to either continue to change their ways, merge or disband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) I think you guys were treated unfairly when given terms which included clauses that never expire, hopefully RnR releases you from those terms as well after you've completed the ones you can get done as a show of good will. You guys being a little late in paying all the reps Kevin planned to pay them as reason to decide how your gov will function from now on seems like them trying to dictate things which shouldn't be their concern once its all paid off. Edited June 12, 2011 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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