The Big Bad Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Its no secret things for Athens have not been going well. They seem to face palm in public on a regular basis. That tech raid on a 40 man alliance that gave everyone a nice idea of what Athens was like. Then they attacked TPF for a CB that not even Athens is bothering to pretend is legit anymore. To make matters worse they claimed to be the wrong party but have let others do most of the work and suffer the damages. Members of Athens allies are questioning just what Athens is doing in public while the some leaders of Athens allies are feeling for a way out of a mess that has not gone the way they planned it. The disgust for Athens has reached a fever pitch with offers of support coming from unexpected places. It almost makes one wonder what else Athens has been up as of late. Could they be off plotting to harm a small harmless community of nations? Would Athens wreck an alliance by having some of its members leave and protecting them while they poach the members of the original alliance? Or would they instead help orchestrate a coup of a sovereign alliance they had no treaties with? A little bird flew by and offered me answers to such questions. A bird I do not know and whom I could not identify but claimed to be someone closely tied to Athens but, having had enough of Athens never ending crimes against Planet Bob decided to come fourth to add to the list of alliance wide tech raids, making false claims, creating false CBs and now orchestrating coups in alliances they do not even have treaties with. Did the member of UED know their Gov plotted with Athens first to disband their alliance and the coup its leader? One wonders how many other small alliances have had Athens hands in their demise or in changing their governments. 03[21:17] * Londo[Athens] has joined #theden[21:18] <cowmaster> hello londo! 01[21:18] <~Wulff> secksiLondo [21:18] <Londo[Athens]> hi cowmaster [21:18] <LtPebble> hey [21:18] <cowmaster> how is the weather today? [21:18] <cowmaster> it is good [21:18] <TimLee> Londo. [21:18] <TimLee> That piss pour charter doesn't have a clause regarding it. I just checked. [21:19] <TimLee> poor* [21:19] <Londo[Athens]> then the executive power has it [21:19] <Londo[Athens]> link to the charter? [21:19] <TimLee> http://www.ued.22web.net/index.php?topic=7.0 [21:19] <cowmaster> that's cheap [21:19] <Londo[Athens]> When reading this constitution and all lawful charters, common sense should be applied when interpreting the wording and application of Directorate Law (Internal Policy). Furthermore, where the existing documents do not cover explicit circumstances, common sense should be used to in order to resolve a scenario so long as it does not contradict the laws and regulations proscribed by the body legislative or contravene an [21:20] <cowmaster> what is the UED's def of common sense [21:20] <TimLee> Common Sense. [21:20] <KOwens06[uED]> Londo to be honest in ued there is no such thing [21:20] <TimLee> If the entire Government excluding KDII wishes to disband. It should be done. [21:20] <cowmaster> exactly my point [21:20] <Londo[Athens]> All members of The Directorate are not to participate in any radical movements within the alliance. [21:20] <Londo[Athens]> lol [21:21] <TimLee> This isn't radical. [21:21] <KOwens06[uED]> Yeah it is [21:21] <TimLee> This is enlightening. [21:21] <cowmaster> its full of "good sport" [21:21] <TimLee> The charter has more holes then swiss cheese. [21:21] <TimLee> If we apply common sense, KDII could be couped and then the new Premier could disband. [21:21] <Londo[Athens]> « Last Edit: Today at 06:14:33 PM by King Death II » [21:22] <cowmaster> ok [21:22] <Londo[Athens]> is he allowed to edit the charter? [21:22] <TimLee> He edits the charter at will. [21:22] <cowmaster> i like fish [21:22] <TimLee> No. [21:22] <TimLee> they have no amendment clause. 01[21:22] <~Wulff> he changes it to his liking 01[21:22] <~Wulff> like everything else in UED [21:22] <cowmaster> ya he edits it cause he likes to show and play with power [21:22] <KOwens06[uED]> Wow he never told us 01[21:22] <~Wulff> and tries forcing people out of positions 01[21:22] <~Wulff> refuses to listen to us or Solidarity [21:22] <KOwens06[uED]> Londo whats your opinion [21:23] <cowmaster> he tried to make PH quite the MoIA 01[21:23] <~Wulff> He wanted PH to give it to me [21:23] <Londo[Athens]> my opinion is [21:23] <Londo[Athens]> if almost all of UED's government is in opposition to him [21:23] <Londo[Athens]> then you need to consider your options [21:23] <Londo[Athens]> of the UED govt [21:24] <Londo[Athens]> who supports him? [21:24] <Londo[Athens]> and who doesn't 01[21:24] <~Wulff> No one [21:24] <cowmaster> I am not proud to say I am the UED's minister of propaganda 01[21:24] <~Wulff> Roofus would, but he's inactive 01[21:24] <~Wulff> hasnt posted in idk when [21:24] <TimLee> I've heard Roofus would if he was active. [21:24] <TimLee> That is all. 01[21:24] <~Wulff> I think Roofus could possibly be a multi 01[21:24] <~Wulff> Im not 100% sure tho [21:24] <cowmaster> like roofus had power tho he was a favorite of KDii [21:25] <TimLee> They have been tossing around a course of action such as disbandment, but do not wish to lose the future protectorat with Athens. [21:25] <KOwens06[uED]> Would you support us Londo? [21:25] <cowmaster> PLEASE [21:25] <cowmaster> PRETTY PLEASE WITH RABID PORK ON TOP [21:25] <Londo[Athens]> ok [21:25] <Londo[Athens]> this is like [21:25] <cowmaster> YES! [21:25] <cowmaster> ZOO WEE MAMA! [21:25] <Londo[Athens]> a really complicated and huge issue [21:25] <KOwens06[uED]> I know [21:25] <cowmaster> I am sorry i gtg [21:25] <Londo[Athens]> and I'm not going to make a decision without consulting my gov [21:26] <KOwens06[uED]> I want to just move over to CG and start over [21:26] <KOwens06[uED]> With you protecting us [21:26] <cowmaster> can you message me all the things i miss [21:26] <Londo[Athens]> well let me see what the vote tally is [21:26] <TimLee> Londo. [21:26] <KOwens06[uED]> But no one else wants that [21:26] <TimLee> I don't believe having them disband an alliance should stop them from receiving athens protection. [21:26] <TimLee> UED has no MDP partners or protector. [21:27] <TimLee> They have an arrogant prick leader who has failed to learn the common game mechanics of CN. [21:27] <cowmaster> k see ya message me when i log off i will vote tomarrow if that's ok... [21:27] <KOwens06[uED]> your for it we know 01[21:27] <~Wulff> lol 01[21:27] <~Wulff> UED only has 1 military treaty, with bushido, and its just an ODP 01[21:28] <~Wulff> SWF and SU are both also tired of KD [21:28] <cowmaster> bye bye 01[21:28] <~Wulff> cya cow [21:28] <TimLee> I already gave them notice of cancellation. [21:28] <TimLee> cowmaster: Does your vote stand from before? [21:28] <cowmaster> sry i gatta go bye bye [21:28] <KOwens06[uED]> Bye [21:28] <TimLee> If Athens agrees, [21:28] <cowmaster> i will vote in the morning [21:28] <LtPebble> see ya Cowmaster [21:28] <cowmaster> but yes if athens agrees [21:28] <cowmaster> nighty night [21:28] <TimLee> Of course. [21:29] <TimLee> Night Cow. [21:29] <cowmaster> ill be on in the morn. 01[21:29] <~Wulff> Alright! Cya! [21:29] <cowmaster> good night, i dont wanna get of [21:29] <cowmaster> night 02[21:29] * cowmaster Quit 01[21:29] <~Wulff> He's a weirdo 01[21:29] <~Wulff> XD [21:29] <TimLee> Lol. I like him. [21:29] <TimLee> He's on the young-side but promising nonetheless. 01[21:29] <~Wulff> me too, but he's still weird [21:30] <KOwens06[uED]> haha [21:30] <Londo[Athens]> this is certainly interesting [21:31] <TimLee> Londo. [21:31] <KOwens06[uED]> Yeah you are telling me [21:31] <TimLee> You believe in giving people a fresh slate 01[21:31] <~Wulff> Look, Londo. With more members to take with us, more tech deals for you! 01[21:31] <~Wulff> XD [21:31] <KOwens06[uED]> A lot more tech deals actually 01[21:31] <~Wulff> lol 01[21:31] <~Wulff> I will brb guys [21:31] <LtPebble> I might be going offline soon [21:32] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok Pebble [21:32] <TimLee> LtPebble: All we need to know before you leave is. If Athens allows you to keep your protectorate will you vote yes. [21:32] <LtPebble> I certainly will [21:33] <LtPebble> wait what exactly? [21:33] <LtPebble> you might be talking about something else [21:33] <KOwens06[uED]> Disbanding [21:33] <TimLee> If Athens lets CG have a protectorate with you disbanding UED will you vote yes. [21:34] <LtPebble> ....hmm.. [21:34] <LtPebble> yeah....I guess [21:34] <KOwens06[uED]> Alright [21:34] <LtPebble> It just seems...I don;t know [21:35] <TimLee> Giving King a taste of his own medicine? [21:35] <KOwens06[uED]> Pebble we are still doing CG it is just helping all the other members [21:35] <LtPebble> crap I'm off [21:35] <LtPebble> bye [21:35] <TimLee> Night Pebbles. 03[21:35] * LtPebble has left #theden [21:35] <TimLee> Londo holds the whole world in his hands. [21:35] <TimLee> In his handssssssssssssss\ [21:37] <KOwens06[uED]> Londo is probably confused as hell like the rest of us 01[21:38] <~Wulff> Im back [21:38] <TimLee> Welcome back. 02[21:38] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff this is confusing as hell 01[21:38] <~Wulff> Not really 01[21:38] <~Wulff> I know where I stand 01[21:38] <~Wulff> We disband UED 01[21:38] <~Wulff> Move to CH 01[21:38] <~Wulff> *CG [21:38] <KOwens06[uED]> If Londo aggrees I agree 01[21:38] <~Wulff> and we start over with the active people from UED [21:38] <TimLee> Havok just logged in. [21:38] <President_Harris[uED]> and get our members right? 01[21:39] <~Wulff> Exactly PH [21:39] <President_Harris[uED]> ok 03[21:39] * HavoK has joined #theden 01[21:39] <~Wulff> As long as Athens agree's to protecting CG we're all going 03[21:39] * an4rk|Athens has joined #theden [21:40] <TimLee> Good Evening. [21:40] <Londo[Athens]> ok [21:40] <KOwens06[uED]> Hey guys [21:40] <Londo[Athens]> we don't have a lot of gov online at this moment. [21:40] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok that's fine [21:41] <KOwens06[uED]> So do we explain it? 03[21:41] * green_muffins[AFK] has joined #theden [21:41] <TimLee> I could sum it up if you'd like. [21:41] <TimLee> Then allow you to handle the details. [21:41] <KOwens06[uED]> go for it [21:42] <Londo[Athens]> I'm feeling a little weird [21:42] <KOwens06[uED]> So am I [21:42] <Londo[Athens]> like physically, IRL [21:42] <Londo[Athens]> not about this 01[21:42] <~Wulff> lol [21:42] <Londo[Athens]> so bear with me 01[21:42] <~Wulff> alright [21:42] <HavoK> he is transforming into a llama again [21:42] <KOwens06[uED]> Im buzzing right now IRL [21:42] <HavoK> >.< [21:42] <an4rk|Athens> Londo[Athens], pull the penis from your anus and you should feel fine [21:42] <TimLee> Basically. UED Government has no faith in KD2. Wants to leave, but doesn't want to let the membership suffer. The charter has no clause to disband, but they want to. They want to disband as long as they still have Athens Protectorate for new alliance. [21:42] <TimLee> THATS MY PENIS U DICK. [21:42] <KOwens06[uED]> haha 06[21:43] * TimLee Whips it out of Londo into an4rk's face. [21:43] <an4rk|Athens> MY EYE 01[21:43] <~Wulff> TimLee said it exactly 01[21:43] <~Wulff> We want out [21:43] <Londo[Athens]> psh [21:43] <TimLee> It's unanimous among the government except KDII and possibly Roofus who hasn't been seen for weeks. 01[21:43] <~Wulff> but we dont wanna leave our guys [21:43] <Londo[Athens]> Like I'd let [MOD DELETED A WORD HERE] $@ in my $@!. [21:43] <Londo[Athens]> :-p [21:43] <KOwens06[uED]> haha [21:43] <President_Harris[uED]> ok guys im getting pinkiwi on here to talk to her about his [21:43] <Londo[Athens]> ok well 03[21:43] * green_muffins[AFK] is now known as green_muffins[Athens] [21:44] <green_muffins[Athens] [21:44] <TimLee> I believe they are within their rights to disband. They just want Athens to still let them keep the protectorate. [21:44] <TimLee> That's the bottom line. 03[21:44] * HavoK is now known as HavoK[Athens|Regent] [21:44] <TimLee> A Vote has occurred 5-0 for disbandment as long as Athen's will still protect. [21:44] <KOwens06[uED]> And help with CG [21:45] <KOwens06[uED]> That's what we want from this... We really don't have to disband 01[21:45] <~Wulff> We want our members who want to do something but KD is holding back [21:45] <Londo[Athens]> to be honest [21:46] <Londo[Athens]> my opinion is that the power to disband lies with KDII [21:46] <Londo[Athens]> but what you COULD probably do [21:46] <Londo[Athens]> is make a new AA [21:46] <Londo[Athens]> and inform UED that you have done so, and if they wish to leave with you you can [21:46] <TimLee> Londo, the charter states the use of common sense. [21:46] <Londo[Athens]> now that will cause problems [21:46] <TimLee> That's poaching. [21:46] <Londo[Athens]> it is 06[21:46] * Londo[Athens] shrugs [21:47] <TimLee> They could give KD2 a vote of no confidence. [21:47] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> lol [21:47] <TimLee> Which they have. [21:47] <TimLee> Replace him with a new Premier. 01[21:47] <~Wulff> As long as Athens approves the protection agreement [21:47] <President_Harris[uED]> its only poaching when you view it that way [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> does it not say anywhere [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> that KDII can't be impeached? 01[21:47] <~Wulff> we'll take the disbandment 01[21:47] <~Wulff> It did 01[21:47] <~Wulff> but he edited it out [21:47] <TimLee> Londo[Athens]: It doesn't anymore. [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> lol [21:47] <KOwens06[uED]> I think he edited out [21:47] <TimLee> He edited it out because he misspeleld the permission. [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> screenshot it [21:47] <TimLee> that's from todays edit [21:47] <TimLee> LOL [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> like the whole charter [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> with screengrab [21:47] <Londo[Athens]> firefox add on 01[21:48] <~Wulff> Id dont use firefox 01[21:48] <~Wulff> Someone get it for me [21:48] <KOwens06[uED]> Neither do i... [21:48] <TimLee> I don't either. [21:48] <Londo[Athens]> then, given that the charter doesn't say that KDII can't be impeached or replaced by any means [21:48] <TimLee> [21:48] <Londo[Athens]> (poorly written charter there, lol) [21:48] <Londo[Athens]> and given that the charter suggests the use of common sense [21:48] <Londo[Athens]> it is reasonable to hold a vote of no confidence. [21:49] <TimLee> I'll do it. 01[21:49] <~Wulff> Yay! [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> and since it says the members are subordinate to the ministers [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> the vote of no confidence should be among the ministers [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> or possibly, alliance wide [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> both are reasonable [21:49] <KOwens06[uED]> I would say ministers 01[21:49] <~Wulff> So. You're going to approve protection? That's what we need to know [21:49] <TimLee> Among the ministers. [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> given that !@#$ty charter 02[21:49] <Londo[Athens]> as of right now Wulff [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> yes the vote is to approve the protectorate of you [21:49] <Londo[Athens]> but [21:50] <Londo[Athens]> the rest of the gov doesn't know about this situation. 01[21:50] <~Wulff> Alright [21:50] <Londo[Athens]> HavoK[Athens|Regent] [21:50] <Londo[Athens]> an4rk|Athens [21:50] <KOwens06[uED]> Well HavoK what do you think? [21:50] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> ? 06[21:50] * Londo[Athens] sighs [21:50] <Londo[Athens]> green_muffins[Athens] [21:50] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> i think this is a cluster-$%&@ lol [21:50] <KOwens06[uED]> me too [21:50] <Londo[Athens]> yeah it is [21:50] <TimLee> Do you believe they have the right to disband? [21:50] <Londo[Athens]> who are the ministers? [21:50] <KOwens06[uED]> Me [21:50] <TimLee> Everyone in here and the two who left. [21:50] <KOwens06[uED]> PH [21:50] <KOwens06[uED]> Cowmaster [21:50] <TimLee> Essentially, the same ones who voted for disbandment. [21:50] <KOwens06[uED]> Are the three ministers that don't trust him [21:51] <Londo[Athens]> which ministers support him? 01[21:51] <~Wulff> Andorra has posted in forever [21:51] <KOwens06[uED]> None that I know of [21:51] <President_Harris[uED]> andorra 3 [21:51] <Londo[Athens]> let's go by positions [21:51] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> well, the call to disband has to come from whoever is leading the AA... however, if the vote of no confidence passes.... [21:51] <KOwens06[uED]> Never met the MoFA to be honest [21:51] <TimLee> LOL. [21:51] <Londo[Athens]> since the charter is so poorly written as to allow such a thing :v [21:51] <Londo[Athens]> ok [21:51] <Londo[Athens]> give me a second guys. [21:51] <KOwens06[uED]> Alright [21:52] <TimLee> Ill go Screengrab. [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> The Minister of Defense – The Minister of Defense is responsible for the organization of the alliance’s armed forces. This includes the management of Army Groups and Assault Squads as well as the responsibility of appointing responsible leaders for the aforementioned organizations. This Minister is also obligated to prepare a state of readiness and respond to any military threats towards the alliance. [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> The Minister of Internal Affairs – The Minister of Internal Affairs is in charge of organizing the resources and revenue within the alliance. Resources can be best described as both the resources each nation of the U.E.D. produces as well as the technology each nation is able to develop for the purpose of sales. Revenue accounts for any money that is distributed within the alliance as a form of a paid bonus. [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> The Minister of Foreign Affairs – The Minister of Foreign Affairs is responsible for the management of the alliance's relationship with all external parties, including the organization of Embassies, Consulates, and Diplomats. This Minister is required to coordinate and oversee the operation of appointed Diplomats as well as treaty development with external parties. [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> The Minister of Intelligence – The Minister of Intelligence is responsible for the management of U.E.D.’s roster which includes the selection and recruitment of newcomers . This Minister is also in charge of upholding order in the forums. She leads the Secret Service, a group of people appointed by The Premier to keep an eye on members. [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> The Minister of Propaganda – The Minister of Propaganda promotes The Directorate to the CN community and is responsible for the morale of the members. This Minister is also in charge of making sure that all members of the U.E.D. are well informed about matters within the alliance. [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> MoD [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> MoIA [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> MoFA [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> MoI [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> MoP [21:52] <Londo[Athens]> I want names for who is in those spots 01[21:52] <~Wulff> Minister of Intelligence: Pinkiwi 01[21:52] <~Wulff> Minister of Foreign Affairs: Andorra 3 01[21:52] <~Wulff> Minister of Defense: KOwens06 01[21:52] <~Wulff> Minister of Internal Affairs: President Harris 01[21:52] <~Wulff> Minister of Propaganda: cowmaster 01[21:52] <~Wulff> 3/5 minister and me as deputy minister lol [21:52] <KOwens06[uED]> the other ones are never on [21:53] <Londo[Athens]> will the other two go along with the rest of you? 01[21:53] <~Wulff> I have never met or really seen Andorra [21:53] <TimLee> Someone was talking to Pinkiwi. 01[21:53] <~Wulff> PH, did you get Pinwiki on? [21:53] <President_Harris[uED]> im trying to get her on [21:53] <KOwens06[uED]> Im not sure [21:53] <President_Harris[uED]> not yet [21:53] <KOwens06[uED]> they probably would [21:53] <TimLee> Honestly. I've seen your Gov. [21:53] <TimLee> they probably wouldn't know the difference. [21:53] <KOwens06[uED]> haha 01[21:53] <~Wulff> Andorra 3 hasnt been seen 01[21:53] <~Wulff> ever [21:54] <Londo[Athens]> who appoints the ministers? [21:54] <President_Harris[uED]> KD 01[21:54] <~Wulff> Well.... 01[21:54] <~Wulff> KD is supposed to 01[21:54] <~Wulff> but he held an election this time [21:54] <President_Harris[uED]> but we had an election 01[21:54] <~Wulff> which isnt part of the charter either [21:54] <TimLee> Lol. 01[21:54] <~Wulff> Its just a cluster $%&@ of organization [21:54] <TimLee> Can someone please give my head a bandage? 01[21:54] <~Wulff> and He's refused us time and time again to build this alliance [21:54] <TimLee> If I facepalm one more time I could die of a concussion. 03[21:55] * green_muffins[Athens] has left #theden [21:55] <KOwens06[uED]> So were done with this alliance [21:56] <TimLee> brb 02[21:56] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff this is getting complicated 02[21:56] * TimLee Quit (Client exited) [21:56] <KOwens06[uED]> Lets just move on 03[21:56] * TimLee has joined #theden 01[21:57] <~Wulff> Lets just disband the damn UED 01[21:57] <~Wulff> Move to CG 01[21:57] <~Wulff> and start our !@#$ 03[21:57] * rsoxbronco1 has joined #theden [21:57] <KOwens06[uED]> Screw UED let them fail [21:57] <KOwens06[uED]> Lets just move 01[21:58] <~Wulff> That's not fair to our friends here tho [21:58] <KOwens06[uED]> Ugh get Pinkiwi in here [21:58] <rsoxbronco1> yo [21:58] <rsoxbronco1> Ok [21:58] <rsoxbronco1> so I was given a quick rundown of the situation [21:58] <KOwens06[uED]> Yep [21:58] <KOwens06[uED]> Its a !@#$ face [21:58] <KOwens06[uED]> plan [21:58] <rsoxbronco1> And I'm taking time from my busy schedule of watching Sunday night football and LOST [21:58] <TimLee> Lol [21:59] <rsoxbronco1> to set you wonderful people straight [21:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Oh no watch football! [21:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Its better [21:59] <rsoxbronco1> I'm watching both 01[21:59] <~Wulff> lol [21:59] <President_Harris[uED]> k im talking to pinkiwi [21:59] <rsoxbronco1> football is on mute [21:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Get him in this room [21:59] <rsoxbronco1> anyway [21:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Go ahead [21:59] <rsoxbronco1> So why is it necessary to disband UED to form this new alliance? [21:59] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> GO PANTHERS [21:59] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> anyway... [21:59] <KOwens06[uED]> I have no clue people want to do it [22:00] <KOwens06[uED]> We want the other active members in UED to succeed [22:00] <TimLee> Aw. My Panthers. 01[22:00] <~Wulff> but we cannot ask them to join this new AA without being "poaching" 01[22:00] <~Wulff> Theres some potential here, but KD is !@#$@#$ them up the $@! with his ego [22:00] <TimLee> Essentially, the government wants to give KDII A vote of no confidence and then motion to disband. Something their charter allows. 01[22:00] <~Wulff> (tried to put that nicely) [22:01] <rsoxbronco1> ok well [22:01] <rsoxbronco1> what are UED's treaties [22:01] <TimLee> No MDPS/ [22:01] <TimLee> PIAT with UBD [22:01] <KOwens06[uED]> ODP with Bushido [22:01] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> honestly... having everyone "abandon" UED, call it poaching or not, sounds better than disbanding without the leaders permission... [22:01] <TimLee> and Solidarity [22:02] <TimLee> If hes not the leader its not lacking his permission. [22:02] <KOwens06[uED]> I think so too [22:02] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> yea, but that gets sketchy too [22:02] <TimLee> Why? [22:02] <Londo[Athens]> yeah [22:02] <TimLee> If the entire Government signs off on it. [22:02] <TimLee> It's a necessary evil. [22:02] <HavoK[Athens|Regent]> coups dont go over well very often [22:02] <Londo[Athens]> leaving is fine 01[22:02] <~Wulff> Sure they do. Just look at FIRE 01[22:02] <~Wulff> XD [22:03] <TimLee> FIRE's coup was a success. [22:03] <Londo[Athens]> leaving and recruiting the alliance to come with you is iffy [22:03] <Londo[Athens]> disbanding is even more iffy [22:03] <KOwens06[uED]> Very [22:03] <rsoxbronco1> well [22:03] <rsoxbronco1> I won't vote in favor of protection [22:03] <rsoxbronco1> if you're going to poach on the way out the door [22:03] <rsoxbronco1> my suggestion [22:03] <TimLee> Is Disband within the rights of the charter? [22:03] <KOwens06[uED]> We aren't 01[22:04] <~Wulff> Were not poaching, which is why we want to disband [22:04] <rsoxbronco1> is either just leave and start the new AA [22:04] <rsoxbronco1> or go through the charter [22:04] <KOwens06[uED]> Right [22:04] <TimLee> So. [22:04] <TimLee> Londo has cleared the charters !@#$ty writing could lead to KD2 Vote of No Confidence? [22:05] <Londo[Athens]> I'd like for someone else to look at the charter [22:05] <Londo[Athens]> and give an opinion [22:05] <rsoxbronco1> sigh [22:05] <rsoxbronco1> link me [22:05] <KOwens06[uED]> for the charter? [22:05] <Londo[Athens]> TimLee - did you screengrab it? [22:06] <TimLee> Yes. [22:06] <TimLee> Im opening now to confirm it [22:06] <Londo[Athens]> yes the charter [22:06] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok Ill get the charter for you [22:06] <Londo[Athens]> the link was posted earlier [22:06] <KOwens06[uED]> http://www.ued.22web.net/index.php?topic=7.0 [22:06] <KOwens06[uED]> Here ya go [22:06] <Londo[Athens]> my opinion is that, given the way this charter is written [22:06] <Londo[Athens]> a vote of no confidence would be reasonable [22:06] <KOwens06[uED]> I hope you don't get a headache 01[22:06] <~Wulff> lol [22:06] <Londo[Athens]> maybe 3/4 of the membership [22:06] <Londo[Athens]> or 4 out of 5 ministers [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> or something along that nature [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> but it doesn't say. 01[22:07] <~Wulff> Pinkwiki is on now [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> so [22:07] <TimLee> Londo. [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> but it DOES say to use common sense. [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> so [22:07] <TimLee> The membership elected the ministers. [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> lets see what rsox thinks [22:07] <KOwens06[uED]> Right [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> ah, true [22:07] <TimLee> I believe the ministers should speak for the membership. [22:07] <Londo[Athens]> it's a reasonable interpretation IMO 01[22:08] <~Wulff> PH, are you talking with Pinkiwi? [22:08] <President_Harris[uED]> yes 01[22:09] <~Wulff> ok [22:09] <rsoxbronco1> uh [22:09] <rsoxbronco1> I see nowhere that allows a vote for removal [22:09] <TimLee> I see nowhere saying one can't occur. [22:09] <KOwens06[uED]> but its doesn't say it can't either [22:09] <TimLee> Common Sense is what it comes down. [22:09] <TimLee> I believe if the ministers have lost confident it is time for King Death to go. [22:10] <rsoxbronco1> The People’s Representative – The People’s Representative is The Premier’s appointed Chief Executive Officer and second in command of The Directorate. In the instance in which The People’s Premier is absent, The People’s Representative has the right to wield the same amount of power as The People’s Premier with the exception of appointing himself as the new Premier. [22:10] <rsoxbronco1> that's the only thing I can find, but that seems to support that KDII can't be removed 01[22:10] <~Wulff> It says the Rep cant do it [22:10] <TimLee> That's a strech. 01[22:10] <~Wulff> not we cant impeach them 01[22:10] <~Wulff> XD [22:10] <TimLee> It says he cannot appoint himself as new premier. [22:11] <KOwens06[uED]> Which he did [22:11] <TimLee> I'm however not the Peoples Rep. [22:11] <rsoxbronco1> All I'm saying is that you don't have the power to lower KD 01[22:11] <~Wulff> Also: Pinkiwi. Mointel is now also voting aye [22:11] <rsoxbronco1> according to the charter [22:11] <rsoxbronco1> if you want [22:11] <KOwens06[uED]> Really? [22:11] <TimLee> Well. 01[22:11] <~Wulff> 4/5 Ministers [22:11] <TimLee> The charter has no amendment process. [22:11] <TimLee> It can be amended. [22:11] <rsoxbronco1> you could just all tell him to $%&@ off and you're leaving [22:11] <rsoxbronco1> does he need to sign off on amendments? [22:11] <KOwens06[uED]> That's what I want to do!!!! 01[22:11] <~Wulff> no [22:11] <TimLee> No. 01[22:12] <~Wulff> He edits them when he wants too [22:12] <rsoxbronco1> I see nothing about amendments either [22:12] <TimLee> He edited the charter without consulting the membership today. [22:12] <KOwens06[uED]> He didn't even talk to me [22:12] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: As much as you hate to. The ideal of common sense allows them to remove him. [22:12] <KOwens06[uED]> I have been on most of the day. [22:12] <rsoxbronco1> ok that's fine 01[22:12] <~Wulff> I have been on since 8am this morning [22:12] <TimLee> Common Sense dictates that if you lose faith you lose the position. 01[22:12] <~Wulff> lol [22:12] <rsoxbronco1> but just don't try to sell the line that it's done by the charter 03[22:13] * Pinkiwi[uED] has joined #theden [22:13] <TimLee> Look at GM's new CEO. [22:13] <rsoxbronco1> if you need/want to coup [22:13] <rsoxbronco1> that's one thing [22:13] <TimLee> You couldn't sell that charter for anything to begin with. [22:13] <KOwens06[uED]> Hi Pinkiwi [22:13] <TimLee> It's meaningless. [22:13] <KOwens06[uED]> Pinkiwi do you know the whole situation? [22:14] <Pinkiwi[uED]> uhh kinda [22:14] <Pinkiwi[uED]> harris is explaining it a bit [22:14] <KOwens06[uED]> You want me tooz/ [22:14] <KOwens06[uED]> too? [22:15] <Pinkiwi[uED]> yes plz [22:15] <Pinkiwi[uED]> im confused 01[22:15] <~Wulff> lol [22:15] <rsoxbronco1> has KD ever conducted himself in an uncivilized manner? [22:15] <KOwens06[uED]> All of us are 01[22:15] <~Wulff> (everyday?)( [22:15] <KOwens06[uED]> All the time [22:15] <rsoxbronco1> also, you should actually make sure you're all on the same page here [22:15] <rsoxbronco1> since pink seems out of the loop 01[22:16] <~Wulff> Pinkiwi, just got on 02[22:16] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff explain the first part 01[22:16] <~Wulff> Alright 01[22:16] <~Wulff> Pinkiwi 01[22:16] <~Wulff> we're all leaving to form a new alliance [22:16] <Pinkiwi[uED]> ur making a new alliance ans ditching kd cos hes a !@#$% 01[22:16] <~Wulff> Hey! [22:16] <Pinkiwi[uED]> that about it ? lol 01[22:16] <~Wulff> You got it! 01[22:16] <~Wulff> lol [22:16] <KOwens06[uED]> basically [22:16] <Pinkiwi[uED]> lol [22:16] <Pinkiwi[uED]> i agrree [22:16] <TimLee> !@#$ ;p [22:16] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok she agrees 01[22:16] <~Wulff> XD [22:16] <TimLee> That's 4/5 with a DMOIA agreeing. [22:16] <KOwens06[uED]> I like her [22:16] <KOwens06[uED]> That wasn't quick [22:17] <TimLee> I believe his goose is cooked. [22:17] <TimLee> The final judgment call rests with Athens though. [22:17] <Pinkiwi[uED]> lol i liked roofus but KDs always been a jerk [22:17] <Pinkiwi[uED]> so im all for it 01[22:17] <~Wulff> Roofus is never there [22:17] <President_Harris[uED]> lol great [22:17] <Pinkiwi[uED]> yea [22:17] <TimLee> Athens will be considered martyrs. [22:17] <TimLee> In my book ;p [22:17] <Pinkiwi[uED]> but hes older so probably just too busy with life [22:17] <Pinkiwi[uED]> cool [22:18] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok now the other part is that we are trying to disband UED [22:18] <Londo[Athens]> I'd rather not be a martyr again. [22:18] <KOwens06[uED]> So our active members come with us [22:18] <Londo[Athens]> been there done that got the tshirt [22:18] <TimLee> Lol. [22:18] <TimLee> Londo, you need the TimLee edition. [22:18] <Londo[Athens]> haw [22:18] <rsoxbronco1> guys [22:18] <TimLee> I hear that !@#$s a collectable. [22:18] <rsoxbronco1> do you have proof of KD being "uncivilized" [22:18] <rsoxbronco1> logs/posts [22:18] <TimLee> .... [22:18] <TimLee> The CN Forums in general. [22:18] <KOwens06[uED]> Yes actually [22:18] <Londo[Athens]> is there something in the charter about that? [22:18] <TimLee> No. 02[22:18] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff did you save the trade message? [22:18] <rsoxbronco1> TimLee, that won't cut it [22:19] <Pinkiwi[uED]> we could always provoke him [22:19] <TimLee> The charter has more holes then swiss cheese. 01[22:19] <~Wulff> idk [22:19] <KOwens06[uED]> Find it [22:19] <Londo[Athens]> where did the "uncivilized" thing come from rsoxbronco1 [22:19] <KOwens06[uED]> That's uncivilized [22:19] <rsoxbronco1> The People’s Representative – The People’s Representative is The Premier’s appointed Chief Executive Officer and second in command of The Directorate. In the instance in which The People’s Premier is absent, The People’s Representative has the right to wield the same amount of power as The People’s Premier with the exception of appointing himself as the new Premier. [22:19] <rsoxbronco1> ffffffff [22:19] <rsoxbronco1> ignore [22:19] <rsoxbronco1> All members of The Directorate who disobey these rules, direct orders, or conduct themselves in an uncivilized manner will be branded traitors of the U.E.D. and Black Listed by our Ministry. 01[22:19] <~Wulff> PH [22:19] <TimLee> If only I saved logs. [22:19] <KOwens06[uED]> rsox Im MoD i just did a check in [22:19] <President_Harris[uED]> yes 01[22:20] <~Wulff> do you have the thing of KD asking you to step down after elected? [22:20] <KOwens06[uED]> I think 5 people total have checked in [22:20] <Pinkiwi[uED]> damn an i just typed up the whole MoI's agent setup [22:20] <Pinkiwi[uED]> can i keep it for the new alliance? [22:20] <KOwens06[uED]> Why not! 01[22:20] <~Wulff> lol 01[22:20] <~Wulff> of course Pin [22:20] <TimLee> Who was King trying to force out? 01[22:20] <~Wulff> rsox [22:20] <TimLee> Oh. [22:20] <Pinkiwi[uED]> [22:20] <TimLee> Uncivilized. [22:20] <TimLee> He edited the charter today. [22:20] <Londo[Athens]> hahahha [22:20] <rsoxbronco1> guys [22:20] <rsoxbronco1> ok, if he edited it [22:20] <President_Harris[uED]> no 01[22:21] <~Wulff> dam [22:21] <President_Harris[uED]> it was on the IRC [22:21] <rsoxbronco1> take a screen shot of " « Last Edit: Today at 06:14:33 PM by King Death II »" [22:21] <TimLee> He edited the charter because he usurped Roofus power from Peoples Representitive to Premier. [22:21] <TimLee> ^^ [22:21] <President_Harris[uED]> but one sec [22:21] <Londo[Athens]> already handle3d 01[22:21] <~Wulff> yep [22:21] <Londo[Athens]> they screengrabbed the whole thing [22:21] <rsoxbronco1> then, compile some logs of him being an $@! [22:21] <TimLee> I did. [22:21] <rsoxbronco1> maybe some forum posts where he goes over the edge [22:21] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: [22:21] <TimLee> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=76342 [22:22] <TimLee> Now scroll down to post 16 [22:22] <rsoxbronco1> wait 01[22:23] <~Wulff> This is all I have in posts so far [22:23] <TimLee> That's ample evidence. [22:23] <KOwens06[uED]> If I saved my logs damn it [22:23] <TimLee> He edited both parts out of the charter. [22:23] <Pinkiwi[uED]> wow 01[22:23] <~Wulff> "No. The whole point of 2 different blocs is to show CN that we dont need NPO to survive on the red team. We have already created like 10 circles without NPOs nations so we dont need them. If you do run into circles when you cant finish it, find nations on other colors without trades with that resource and ask them to change. Its worked for me in the past." [22:23] <Pinkiwi[uED]> i really have been inactive lol 01[22:23] <~Wulff> but that's it 01[22:23] <~Wulff> and that's what really pissed us all off [22:23] <President_Harris[uED]> yeah so we cant have that in the new alliance [22:23] <TimLee> That's malicious intent. 01[22:23] <~Wulff> "pushed us over the edge" [22:24] <KOwens06[uED]> Me too 01[22:24] <~Wulff> Hey you are loosing the election so far. Its 13 for Harris and 5 for you. You should start messaging in game and stuff cuz I really dont want you to loose 01[22:24] <~Wulff> I think they are voting for harris because they know his name and not yours. [22:24] <KOwens06[uED]> And Pinkiwi its no big deal everyone is inactive 01[22:24] <~Wulff> not everyone 01[22:24] <~Wulff> just most [22:24] <KOwens06[uED]> He did try to throw the elections 01[22:24] <~Wulff> He tried forcing PH to step down 01[22:25] <~Wulff> "Its not a democracy, its a dictatorship" 01[22:25] <~Wulff> but we're holding elections [22:25] <TimLee> Who owns UED forums? 01[22:25] <~Wulff> XD 01[22:25] <~Wulff> Him I guess [22:25] <TimLee> Interesting. 01[22:25] <~Wulff> I bought a new domain I was going to use for it, until he refused to let me do anything we wanted to [22:25] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: [22:26] <rsoxbronco1> ok [22:26] <rsoxbronco1> I'll be honest here [22:26] <TimLee> If they named me new Premier after the vote of No Confidence and I choose to disband. Would Athens protect them as they did nothing wrong? [22:26] <rsoxbronco1> it sounds like you're all really tired of KDII [22:26] <TimLee> I would take the negative PR hit. [22:26] <KOwens06[uED]> We are [22:26] <rsoxbronco1> but I personally don't want to see us dragged into a coup/charter/disbandment fight [22:26] <TimLee> But they care about the members. [22:26] <KOwens06[uED]> That's why were moving on [22:26] <Londo[Athens]> it's a field full of landmines [22:27] <Londo[Athens]> and Athens is trying to walk gingerly now. [22:27] <TimLee> You'd have no involvement. [22:27] <Londo[Athens]> given recent events 01[22:27] <~Wulff> Athens has no part of the coup/disbandement etc etc [22:27] <TimLee> I'd take the negative hit. 01[22:27] <~Wulff> All you do is protect the new AA 01[22:27] <~Wulff> In which we found [22:27] <Pinkiwi[uED]> brb [22:27] <TimLee> Do one of those unofficial protectorates like we had with TDP. 02[22:27] <rsoxbronco1> [23:26] <Wulff> All you do is protect the new AA <--- it won't take more than a few spare brain cells for people to connect dots [22:27] <TimLee> Like Example: [22:27] <TimLee> They name me new Premier and resign. [22:28] <TimLee> I disband. [22:28] <KOwens06[uED]> rsox I agree with you [22:28] <TimLee> They get away scott-free 01[22:28] <~Wulff> What are they gonna due? Blame Athens? 01[22:28] <~Wulff> We're voting him out 01[22:28] <~Wulff> We have the logs of people voting out earlier [22:28] <Londo[Athens]> We like you guys [22:29] <KOwens06[uED]> We like Athens 01[22:29] <~Wulff> [22:29] <TimLee> I love Athens ;p [22:29] <Londo[Athens]> and based on the protectorate sentiment [22:29] <KOwens06[uED]> Like you guys have been awesome [22:29] <Londo[Athens]> We'd protect you guys if you all just walked. [22:29] <TimLee> But they would leave there members behind.... [22:29] <rsoxbronco1> here's what you do [22:29] <rsoxbronco1> You draft a serious post on the CN forums [22:30] <rsoxbronco1> that you find KDII's actions to be harmful to the existence of UED [22:30] <rsoxbronco1> then you get a little creative [22:31] <KOwens06[uED]> How [22:31] <TimLee> I think hes getting to it. [22:31] <rsoxbronco1> something like: "Our charter has no section regarding amendments, removal of power, or disbandment. The undersigned ministers are thus forced to take the following actions: 02[22:31] * an4rk|Athens Quit (Ping timeout) [22:32] <rsoxbronco1> You amend the constitution to allow for unanimous minister vote for the removal of the leader [22:32] <rsoxbronco1> You vote to remove [22:32] <rsoxbronco1> you install somebody from within UED (read not TimLee) 01[22:32] <~Wulff> lol [22:32] <rsoxbronco1> and have that person disband the alliance 01[22:32] <~Wulff> Alright 01[22:33] <~Wulff> and then... in a day or 2 we found CG [22:33] <Londo[Athens]> it will still be messy [22:33] <Londo[Athens]> I gurantee that 01[22:33] <~Wulff> We understand [22:33] <Londo[Athens]> even given that it's KDII [22:33] <KOwens06[uED]> That's why I don't want to do it [22:33] <KOwens06[uED]> Just move on [22:33] <rsoxbronco1> well [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> the benefit of doing it this way [22:34] <Londo[Athens]> the charter is very poorly written XD [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> is that you have a show of force [22:34] <TimLee> What if I joined UED? [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> if all minister sign off [22:34] <TimLee> x.x [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> no, if you do that [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> you look like you're couping [22:34] <TimLee> Fine. [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> this needs to come from within UED [22:34] <President_Harris[uED]> i dont think andorra 3 will [22:34] <rsoxbronco1> no offense but you'll drama bomb the thread that way [22:34] <Londo[Athens]> andorra 3 is so inactive [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> that the other ministers have never seen him 01[22:35] <~Wulff> 4/5 minister [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> from what I hear [22:35] <President_Harris[uED]> no i saw him on the other day [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> oh 01[22:35] <~Wulff> correct Londo [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> someone said that [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> anddddd [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> PH doesn't agree [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> lol [22:35] <KOwens06[uED]> Ph aggrees 01[22:35] <~Wulff> PH, he was on forums? [22:35] <President_Harris[uED]> yes [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> ok what will happen 01[22:35] <~Wulff> Did he do anything? [22:35] <Londo[Athens]> ahh not IRC [22:36] <KOwens06[uED]> Never IRC [22:36] <Londo[Athens]> if you do this [22:36] <President_Harris[uED]> well when i saw him he was [22:36] <Londo[Athens]> is that KDII will contest it [22:36] <rsoxbronco1> ok [22:36] <President_Harris[uED]> i asked if KD was on and he said no but he could talk to him [22:36] <Londo[Athens]> ZI list all of you [22:36] <President_Harris[uED]> me [22:36] <rsoxbronco1> here's another question [22:36] <Londo[Athens]> and order you all attacked [22:36] <President_Harris[uED]> not him [22:36] <Londo[Athens]> what happens then? [22:36] <Londo[Athens]> will UED attack you? [22:36] <rsoxbronco1> who is KD's number 2? [22:36] <KOwens06[uED]> Roofus [22:36] <KOwens06[uED]> Inactive as hell [22:36] <rsoxbronco1> does he want KD gone? 01[22:37] <~Wulff> He's gone [22:37] <Londo[Athens]> no he doesn't [22:37] <Londo[Athens]> from what I've heard 01[22:37] <~Wulff> He's not even here [22:37] <KOwens06[uED]> No but he never talks or does anything [22:37] <Londo[Athens]> roofus, andorra 3, and KDII are the only UED gov that support KDII [22:37] <Londo[Athens]> and the other 2 are inactive. [22:37] <rsoxbronco1> wait [22:37] <rsoxbronco1> so who here is actually UED gov? [22:37] <TimLee> Roofus is believed to be a KD Multi. [22:37] <rsoxbronco1> as in a minister [22:37] <Londo[Athens]> lol [22:37] <Londo[Athens]> all of them [22:38] <TimLee> 4/5 ministers have voted to disband and remove KD. 02[22:38] <Londo[Athens]> except for Wulff [22:38] <rsoxbronco1> ok [22:38] <Londo[Athens]> who is a deputy [22:38] <TimLee> The vote occurred hours ago. [22:38] <Londo[Athens]> The only question that remains 02[22:38] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff [22:38] <Londo[Athens]> is how this will play out. 01[22:38] <~Wulff> Roofus was last online 83 days ago [22:38] <rsoxbronco1> lol [22:38] <Londo[Athens]> because KDII will almost certainly contest this, and ZI list you. 01[22:38] <~Wulff> Some 2nd in commmand huh? [22:39] <rsoxbronco1> Londo[Athens], don't worry about that [22:39] <Londo[Athens]> will UED's membership follow his orders and attack you 01[22:39] <~Wulff> No [22:39] <Londo[Athens]> ok 01[22:39] <~Wulff> They dont know wtf to do [22:39] <Londo[Athens]> not a problem at all then 01[22:39] <~Wulff> because he doesn't help them [22:39] <rsoxbronco1> Who would be posting this publicly? [22:39] <KOwens06[uED]> Ill do it 06[22:39] * ~Wulff will [22:39] <Londo[Athens]> I'd say the MoD 01[22:39] <~Wulff> or KO 01[22:39] <~Wulff> Ok 01[22:39] <~Wulff> KO [22:39] <Londo[Athens]> KO is the mod yeah [22:39] <rsoxbronco1> KO, you and the rest of the gov need to start drafting amendments [22:39] <KOwens06[uED]> yeah [22:40] <TimLee> It's already underway. [22:40] <rsoxbronco1> who is the best writer here? [22:40] <KOwens06[uED]> Not me [22:40] <TimLee> I was asked to draft amendments. [22:40] <TimLee> I'm in the process of adding them. 01[22:40] <~Wulff> I askewd Tim to write it [22:40] <Londo[Athens]> that's fine, but your involvement shouldn' [22:40] <Londo[Athens]> t [22:40] <Londo[Athens]> be public knowledge [22:40] <Londo[Athens]> nor ours lol 01[22:40] <~Wulff> Agree'd [22:40] <TimLee> It won't be. [22:40] <rsoxbronco1> ok, TimLee, once you have a draft, can I proof read? 01[22:40] <~Wulff> also Andorra, last online 11 days ago [22:40] <TimLee> Well. [22:40] <TimLee> Of course. [22:40] <Londo[Athens]> yeah I'll take a look at it too [22:40] <Londo[Athens]> if I'm still awake. 01[22:41] <~Wulff> I must go shave for work tomorrow. brb [22:42] <KOwens06[uED]> You guys are awesome i hope you know that [22:43] <rsoxbronco1> well that's fine and all, but TimLee, you need to stay the $%&@ away from the coup thread [22:43] <rsoxbronco1> whenever it's announced [22:43] <TimLee> Lol. [22:43] <TimLee> I won't even post in. [22:43] <TimLee> well. [22:43] <TimLee> I may hail the new premier. [22:44] <rsoxbronco1> it's really just best if you avoid it [22:44] <rsoxbronco1> for this to fly, [22:44] <rsoxbronco1> it needs to be UED gov vs KDII [22:44] <rsoxbronco1> with no outsiders in the middle [22:45] <rsoxbronco1> OWF will back the ministers over KDII [22:45] <KOwens06[uED]> I agree [22:45] <TimLee> Who's new premier? [22:45] <KOwens06[uED]> Me [22:45] <rsoxbronco1> but not necessarily ministers/timlee vs KDII [22:45] <KOwens06[uED]> I guess they said MoD 02[22:45] <KOwens06[uED]> or Wulff [22:46] <TimLee> Ok. [22:46] <TimLee> I'm almost done. [22:46] <President_Harris[uED]> KO? your the premier [22:46] <TimLee> KOWns. You need to write your disbandment speech. [22:47] <KOwens06[uED]> I guess [22:47] <KOwens06[uED]> I suck at writing damn it 02[22:47] <KOwens06[uED]> Give it to Wulff he has all the info [22:47] <rsoxbronco1> also, just thinking [22:47] <TimLee> KOwns. [22:47] <TimLee> I'll write it. [22:47] <TimLee> You justp ost it. [22:47] <KOwens06[uED]> Ill do that [22:47] <rsoxbronco1> you shouldn't disband in the same thread as you coup [22:47] <KOwens06[uED]> Oh ill make a new one [22:48] <TimLee> I believe... [22:48] <rsoxbronco1> wait 24-48 hours and announce that you're merging/creating a new AAQ [22:48] <rsoxbronco1> AA [22:48] <TimLee> One person should post the amendment thread. [22:48] <rsoxbronco1> (dunno if you're actually merging [22:48] <TimLee> Then the next person should post the disbandment. [22:48] <KOwens06[uED]> More of a DoE [22:48] <TimLee> KDII owns the forums. [22:48] <TimLee> They have to disband. [22:48] <TimLee> or. [22:48] <TimLee> KOwens can see fit to name change the alliance as UED is cursed. 01[22:49] <~Wulff> No 01[22:49] <~Wulff> I say just disband it [22:49] <KOwens06[uED]> I say disband we are ready for a fresh start [22:49] <TimLee> Ok. [22:50] <KOwens06[uED]> Are we disbanding tonight? [22:51] <KOwens06[uED]> Because if we do we have no protection are going to get attacked... [22:51] <TimLee> Athens could step in and be the hero. [22:51] <TimLee> And offer them temp protection [22:51] <TimLee> While they sort out the internal mess. [22:51] <Pinkiwi[uED]> back [22:52] <Pinkiwi[uED]> any idea for a new alliance name? [22:52] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok Pinkiwi we are going to post the amendmants to the charter and disband [22:52] <Pinkiwi[uED]> k [22:52] <President_Harris[uED]> yes its Crimson Guard 02[22:52] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff and PH and Pebbles all agreed on the Crimson Guard [22:52] <rsoxbronco1> no [22:52] <rsoxbronco1> we're not stepping in [22:52] <rsoxbronco1> this is an internal UED matter [22:52] <Pinkiwi[uED]> cool [22:52] <KOwens06[uED]> I agree [22:53] <rsoxbronco1> we're not going to be muscle [22:53] <rsoxbronco1> here's what your timeline should look like [22:53] <rsoxbronco1> tomorrow night, announce your big post about amending the charter and removing KDII [22:54] <rsoxbronco1> you install whoever you want as your new leader [22:54] <rsoxbronco1> I don't really care who [22:54] <rsoxbronco1> the thread will either die quickly [22:54] <rsoxbronco1> or rage for a few days [22:54] <TimLee> Why not done tonight? [22:54] <rsoxbronco1> it shouldn't be the same day you did your thread [22:55] <Londo[Athens]> KDII will try to have you ZIed then [22:55] <rsoxbronco1> you're going to have to fight it out internally 01[22:55] <~Wulff> I say disband tonight. take over. [22:55] <Londo[Athens]> and you will PM your membership and ask them to stand with you [22:55] <rsoxbronco1> disband to what? [22:55] <Londo[Athens]> KDII will probably appoint new gov 01[22:55] <~Wulff> We disband Tuesday [22:55] <rsoxbronco1> you disband and you'll get raided 01[22:56] <~Wulff> Im saying [22:56] <Londo[Athens]> UED is 64 members 01[22:56] <~Wulff> Take over tonight [22:56] <Londo[Athens]> you think someone will raid them? 01[22:56] <~Wulff> Disband Tuesday [22:56] <KOwens06[uED]> I do [22:56] <rsoxbronco1> ok nm 01[22:56] <~Wulff> and announce our new AA Wednesday or Thursday [22:56] <rsoxbronco1> probably nobody, but not worth risk [22:56] <KOwens06[uED]> I say announce tommorow [22:56] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: [22:56] <KOwens06[uED]> disband Tuesday [22:56] <TimLee> http://www.thedestinyproject.com/index.php?topic=223 [22:56] <KOwens06[uED]> DoE Wednesday [22:57] <rsoxbronco1> timlee, don't have time to register [22:57] <rsoxbronco1> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?a...4&MID=12660 [22:57] <rsoxbronco1> PM me [22:57] <TimLee> wtf [22:57] <TimLee> its asking you to register? [22:57] <Londo[Athens]> yeah it is [22:57] <TimLee> oh [22:57] <TimLee> I'll move it to [22:57] <rsoxbronco1> ok, UED people [22:57] <Londo[Athens]> the issue is that KDII will probably call you all traitors [22:57] <TimLee> The Library [22:57] <TimLee> and call it a charter [22:57] <Londo[Athens]> appoint new people as gov [22:57] <Londo[Athens]> and order you attacked [22:57] <rsoxbronco1> this battle is going to be fought on the OWF [22:57] <rsoxbronco1> you need to all be active [22:57] <Londo[Athens]> if the membership listens to him, you are kinda $%&@ed. [22:58] <KOwens06[uED]> We know that [22:58] <rsoxbronco1> you post and message the alliance [22:58] <rsoxbronco1> you take a week to prep your new alliance [22:58] <rsoxbronco1> you can't coup/disband right away [22:58] <rsoxbronco1> it'll look like !@#$ 01[22:58] <~Wulff> Coup today 01[22:58] <~Wulff> Disband in 2 days 01[22:58] <~Wulff> AA in 3 [22:58] <rsoxbronco1> and you'll be undermining yourselves [22:58] <rsoxbronco1> what's the huge rush [22:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Very true 01[22:59] <~Wulff> I have member list ready to message [22:59] <TimLee> http://www.thedestinyproject.com/index.php...msg1480#msg1480 [22:59] <Londo[Athens]> alright, I think the situation is well in hand [22:59] <Londo[Athens]> and I am going to bed [22:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Next Sunday I say DoE [22:59] <Londo[Athens]> listen to rsox [22:59] <Londo[Athens]> <3 [22:59] <Londo[Athens]> nn [22:59] <TimLee> Londo. [22:59] <KOwens06[uED]> Goodnight londo [22:59] <TimLee> Read the thread first [22:59] <TimLee> ;p 01[22:59] <~Wulff> I banned KD from forums [22:59] <Londo[Athens]> nn 01[22:59] <~Wulff> I think 01[22:59] <~Wulff> lol [23:00] <KOwens06[uED]> you spelled my name wrong its KOwens06 [23:00] <rsoxbronco1> next Sunday is probably a good idea [23:00] <rsoxbronco1> Now a couple last thoughts [23:01] <TimLee> KOwens06[uED]: [23:01] <TimLee> That came from your Government Thread. [23:01] <KOwens06[uED]> That would be it [23:01] <rsoxbronco1> TimLee, you need to avoid that thread like the plauge [23:01] <TimLee> KD posted. [23:01] <rsoxbronco1> do not post at all [23:01] <TimLee> Lol. [23:01] <KOwens06[uED]> I know he did it wrong too [23:01] <TimLee> People will be suspicious, but ok. [23:01] <KOwens06[uED]> Its KOwens06 [23:01] <rsoxbronco1> well [23:01] <rsoxbronco1> they'll be more suspicious if you get involved 02[23:01] <rsoxbronco1> Wulff, KOwens06[uED], Pinkiwi[uED], President_Harris[uED] [23:02] <KOwens06[uED]> Who is posting this? [23:02] <rsoxbronco1> you need to be ready to respond intelligently to any criticism [23:02] <KOwens06[uED]> Am I? 01[23:02] <~Wulff> KOwens 01[23:02] <~Wulff> you're posting [23:02] <TimLee> KOwens. [23:02] <rsoxbronco1> and counterbalance any points KDII makes [23:02] <KOwens06[uED]> Ok I got it [23:02] <TimLee> You need to establish a new IRC channel. 02[23:02] * Londo[Athens] Quit (Ping timeout) [23:02] <KOwens06[uED]> I can do that [23:02] <TimLee> Like [23:02] <TimLee> #earth [23:02] <TimLee> or #united 01[23:02] <~Wulff> #cn-ued [23:03] <rsoxbronco1> use that [23:03] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: [23:03] <TimLee> They are couping. [23:03] <rsoxbronco1> ...? [23:04] <TimLee> I mean [23:04] <TimLee> They are exchaing leadership tonight [23:04] <TimLee> Correct? [23:04] <rsoxbronco1> as I understand it, yes [23:04] <KOwens06[uED]> Yep 01[23:04] <~Wulff> Ok [23:04] <TimLee> KOwens06[uED]: [23:04] <KOwens06[uED]> Im doing it [23:05] <TimLee> Will you guys need a new forums? [23:05] <rsoxbronco1> we can help you next weekend, but tonight is your fight [23:05] <TimLee> Would you like me to PM you my thread I just wrote. [23:05] <TimLee> ? [23:05] <KOwens06[uED]> Sure 01[23:05] <~Wulff> I think I banned KD from forums 01[23:05] <~Wulff> not sure 01[23:05] <~Wulff> lol [23:05] <TimLee> If he owns them [23:05] <TimLee> Then he can come back. 02[23:05] <rsoxbronco1> Wulff, does he own? 01[23:05] <~Wulff> Idk [23:05] <TimLee> That could lead to a luster $%&@. [23:05] <rsoxbronco1> if he has root you're $%&@ed [23:05] <TimLee> Is his membership = 1 01[23:05] <~Wulff> So. We need a temp forum? [23:05] <TimLee> ? [23:05] <KOwens06[uED]> Yeah [23:05] <TimLee> I'd use the forum your using for your new alliance [23:05] <rsoxbronco1> I wouldn't worry about temp forums really [23:05] <TimLee> With altered names. [23:06] <TimLee> Or just say $%&@ forums [23:06] <TimLee> Your disbanding in a week either way. [23:06] <rsoxbronco1> if he fights on the forums [23:06] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: [23:06] <KOwens06[uED]> UED is an inactive mess forums don't really mattr [23:06] <TimLee> Can I at least sit in the new channel? 01[23:06] <~Wulff> Everyone will once we post the coup thread [23:06] <rsoxbronco1> you can say "Due to repeated interference by our former leader, KDII, we are disbanding UED and reforming as X" [23:07] <TimLee> But that's at a later date? [23:07] <TimLee> Correct? [23:07] <rsoxbronco1> yes [23:07] <KOwens06[uED]> That would work really well [23:07] <rsoxbronco1> and TimLee, don't join until about 10 minutes after the thread goes up [23:07] <TimLee> Damn. [23:07] <TimLee> Ok. [23:07] <rsoxbronco1> and once there, try not to be combative [23:07] <TimLee> Kowns forum name? [23:07] <KOwens06[uED]> KOwens06 [23:07] <rsoxbronco1> You really really don't want it to look like you're behind it [23:07] <TimLee> Rsoxk, [23:07] <TimLee> I'll pm them rebuttals to KDII [23:07] <TimLee> as to stay clear. [23:08] <rsoxbronco1> that's fine [23:08] <rsoxbronco1> this should look like UED is totally fed up 01[23:08] <~Wulff> We are [23:08] <rsoxbronco1> that you'll be fine 01[23:08] <~Wulff> Also [23:08] <KOwens06[uED]> Well the ministers are 01[23:08] <~Wulff> Should KOwens post a "new gov" to rid of Roofus and Andorra? [23:09] <rsoxbronco1> and understand that this could totally backfire [23:09] <rsoxbronco1> and you could all get $%&@ed 01[23:09] <~Wulff> We're not going to 02[23:09] <KOwens06[uED]> If we do Wulff Im coming for you 01[23:09] <~Wulff> lol [23:09] <KOwens06[uED]> 02[23:09] * Pinkiwi[uED] Quit [23:09] <TimLee> Ok [23:10] <TimLee> Kown [23:10] <TimLee> KOwens06[uED]: I sent it. [23:10] <KOwens06[uED]> I see it [23:10] <TimLee> you need to [23:10] <TimLee> Add back the image tags [23:10] <KOwens06[uED]> Nice Gift [23:10] <TimLee> before you post. [23:10] <KOwens06[uED]> Oh you mean put img in it got it [23:10] <TimLee> \ [23:10] <rsoxbronco1> yeah [23:10] <TimLee> Infront and behind both urls. [23:10] <rsoxbronco1> preview it to make sure it looks good [23:11] <TimLee> and make sure the centers stayed. [23:11] <rsoxbronco1> and that spelling is all set [23:11] <KOwens06[uED]> I will [23:11] <KOwens06[uED]> What do I call it [23:11] <TimLee> Offical Announcement from the United Earth Directorate [23:11] <TimLee> Subtitle: New Government, New Charter amendments [23:12] <KOwens06[uED]> Do I sign it the Peoples Premier? 01[23:12] <~Wulff> Yes 01[23:12] <~Wulff> KDII just got on! [23:12] <TimLee> I handled all of that. 01[23:12] <~Wulff> POST! [23:12] <TimLee> King Death is on. [23:12] <TimLee> Perfect. [23:12] <KOwens06[uED]> I can't yet 01[23:13] <~Wulff> All UED ppl go to ##cn-ued 03[23:14] * Wulff is now known as Wulff[uED] 01[23:14] <~Wulff[uED]> Ko go to #cn-ued too [23:17] <President_Harris[uED]> KD is online 01[23:17] <~Wulff[uED]> Yea we know [23:17] <TimLee> So? [23:17] <TimLee> Now is the time to do it. 01[23:17] <~Wulff[uED]> Makes it all the better [23:17] <TimLee> So we can disprove his points againsti t [23:18] <KOwens06[uED]> Its up [23:18] <~Wulff[uED]> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=76395 [23:22] <TimLee> Ok [23:22] <TimLee> KOwens06[uED]: [23:22] <TimLee> Quote Sicko. [23:22] <KOwens06[uED]> Yes? [23:22] <TimLee> Tell him the other threads lead the legitimate coup of King Death II. [23:23] <TimLee> KOwens06[uED]: Tell him its a serious coup. [23:23] <TimLee> in #ued [23:23] <KOwens06[uED]> What do I do with sicko? 02[23:24] <TimLee> Wulff[uED]: Will you handle the thread? [23:24] <KOwens06[uED]> Yeah [23:24] <TimLee> KOwens06[uED]: in #UED tell KDII this is serious. 01[23:24] <~Wulff[uED]> Yes [23:26] <KOwens06[uED]> Done and Done [23:30] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: [23:30] <TimLee> Can I join the new channel now? [23:30] <President_Harris[uED]> yeah [23:30] <rsoxbronco1> yeah [23:31] <TimLee> I love how SWF [23:31] <TimLee> Is asking me [23:31] <TimLee> What is real. [23:31] <TimLee> and I'm having to play retarded [23:31] <TimLee> like I assume that thread is because its from Gov [23:31] <KOwens06[uED]> haha [23:32] <TimLee> SWF [23:32] <TimLee> Is fixing to back the coup 01[23:32] <~Wulff[uED]> Yes! 01[23:32] <~Wulff[uED]> lol [23:32] <TimLee> I'll iron it out. [23:33] <TimLee> From a fellow Red Dawn perspective [23:33] <TimLee> [00:32] <Ray_Matveyev[sWF]> The issue will be brought up with the Soviet and SWF governments [23:33] <TimLee> [00:33] <Ray_Matveyev[sWF]> It's likely we'll be in support of this. [23:36] <TimLee> LOL [23:36] <TimLee> rsoxbronco1: He just disbanded UED 01[23:36] <~Wulff[uED]> XD [23:36] <KOwens06[uED]> What the hell do we do now? [23:36] <rsoxbronco1> ignore him? [23:36] <rsoxbronco1> did you PM your members? [23:36] <TimLee> Attack him. [23:36] <TimLee> Declare him rogue. 02[23:36] <KOwens06[uED]> Wulff was supposed to 01[23:37] <~Wulff[uED]> PH is on it 01[23:37] <~Wulff[uED]> I forgot with the excitement 01[23:37] <~Wulff[uED]> lol [23:38] <KOwens06[uED]> Damn it 03[23:54] * an4rk has joined #theden [23:54] <an4rk> BAM! [23:54] <KOwens06[uED]> Hello [23:54] <an4rk> hi [23:54] <KOwens06[uED]> How are you [23:55] <an4rk> o/ KD2 [23:55] <an4rk> I KID I KID [23:55] <an4rk> good [23:55] <an4rk> and yourself? [23:55] <an4rk> <-- Athens btw [23:55] <KOwens06[uED]> haha [23:55] <KOwens06[uED]> I remember [23:55] <KOwens06[uED]> Uh... [23:55] <KOwens06[uED]> !@#$ storm [23:56] <an4rk> hmm? [23:56] <KOwens06[uED]> Big !@#$ storm [23:57] <an4rk> oh yea? [23:57] <an4rk> hows that? Session Time: Mon Dec 21 00:00:00 2009 [00:01] <KOwens06[uED]> We just couped KD [00:01] <an4rk> uh oh [00:01] <KOwens06[uED]> Yeah [00:02] <an4rk> wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryraccoon Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 oh so special Big Bad found old stuff on !@#$%* and decided to post it. That makes you relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 For Shame, tearing a community apart Athens. For Shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hey, if TPF deserves to be rolled for Thinking about destroying an alliance through espionage , how much more does Athens now deserve it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwthegreat Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I saw these on !@#$%* a few days ago and what wondering when they would come out Kudos to you TBB for actually bringing them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffron X Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Can I get a TL;DR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Can I get a TL;DR? Athens is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Thank you Bilrow! once again the moral police have saved the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Can I get a TL;DR? Just Athens plotting the disbandment and or coup of UED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 tl;dr Londo/Athens helped coup UED, with the plan on the new UED governement turning around and disbanding UED, and creating another alliance to be protected by Athens. Man when/if that new alliance posts their DOE, they are going to get trolled so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is that an Athens protectorate asking for advise on getting rid of their government member they all don't like but still want to remain a protectorate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I'm not going to read through all that. I'm just guessing its the whole deal about Athens couping UED and making them sell tech exclusively to Athens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weirdgus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wait, wait, wait didn't Athens declare war a few days ago just because they thought TPF tried to do the very same thing Athens just did to UED? Oh the shock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is that an Athens protectorate asking for advise on getting rid of their government member they all don't like but still want to remain a protectorate? That's how it read to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Diesel Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) I cannot wait for all of this drama llama to be over, and get on to the next conflict. Edit: Also, WickedJ wins the thread. Edited December 31, 2009 by John Diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is that an Athens protectorate asking for advise on getting rid of their government member they all don't like but still want to remain a protectorate? Sounds terrible. Who could do such a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is that an Athens protectorate asking for advise on getting rid of their government member they all don't like but still want to remain a protectorate? That would be ok, except UED wasn't a protectorate of Athens then or now......just for their future alliance after they tore the community of UED apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecko Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hypocrisy is the name of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastico Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 tl;dr Londo/Athens helped coup UED, with the plan on the new UED governement turning around and disbanding UED, and creating another alliance to be protected by Athens. Man when/if that new alliance posts their DOE, they are going to get trolled so bad. Nice try. I think enough people here are familiar with several of the characters in this story and at least one of the central characters in the logs to see right through the BigBad & NPO faux outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 That would be ok, except UED wasn't a protectorate of Athens then or now......just for their future alliance after they tore the community of UED apart. I thought that wad KD2's fault? You guys hate too many people to keep track of who did what wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Just Athens plotting the disbandment and or coup of UED. Looks to me like government members of an Athens protectorate looking to get rid of a government member they don't get along with while ensuring they can keep their protectorate status. How is this relevant? Edited December 31, 2009 by Quinoa Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reccesion Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Well, 3 allies in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintenderek Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Wait, Athens is tearing an alliance apart for trying to disband them, and then disbands an alliance themselves? Londo is obviously unfit for leadership. If anyone in Athens had any sense at all, a coup would be thrown and not of the leadership of another one of Athen's protectorates. Edited December 31, 2009 by Nintenderek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I thought that wad KD2's fault? You guys hate too many people to keep track of who did what wrong. As much as I may dislike KD2, I never tried to tear his community apart like Londo and Rsox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coven Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wait, wait, wait didn't Athens declare war a few days ago just because they thought TPF tried to do the very same thing Athens just did to UED? Oh the shock! I know, right? o/ TBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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