Pingu Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='iamthey' timestamp='1293054488' post='2550441'] Very honorable stance Europa, while I think FEAR was silly for escalating this in the first place, you did right by your allies. [/quote] I concur. Admirably summed up. Of course, ODN loves war with FEAR, so we're not mad at them or anything for the escalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 The real reason is that none of these alliances have had their government log on since the affair started. The Wolfpack can't run without the Shaman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='JonathanB' timestamp='1293053781' post='2550419'] i dont know which to pick. can i check both? [/quote] Go for it. Anyway, if Europa don't want help for whatever reason, that is their choice, I don't suppose they are preventing their allies from coming in if they wish to but would rather they didn't, is that right? Why should treties be black and white? Each situation is diffrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1293054894' post='2550452'] The real reason is that none of these alliances have had their government log on since the affair started. The Wolfpack can't run without the Shaman. [/quote] Actually, no. They'd all found ways to enter via our treaty, there was no need to vote to honor them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingLobster Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Everyone should know our secret: We're just huge masochists. We just want all the beat-downs to ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 @ the OP, the OP's allies, heck even NEW and their allies, please for the love of Admin re-write all your treaties to include either Optional Defense or Non Chaining. Any treaty with the words Mutual Defense means just that. This war should really be called "The war of worthless treaties" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingLobster Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1293055068' post='2550457'] @ the OP, the OP's allies, heck even NEW and their allies, please for the love of Admin re-write all your treaties to include either Optional Defense or Non Chaining. Any treaty with the words Mutual Defense means just that. This war should really be called "The war of worthless treaties" [/quote] The treaties that we are discussing right now do have Non-Chaining/Opt-Out clauses. This was discussed earlier. Keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The MVP Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 When you ask for war... run away kicking and screaming when others bring it to you and avoid it at all costs. Wait is that how the adage goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1293054945' post='2550453'] Go for it. Anyway, if Europa don't want help for whatever reason, that is their choice, I don't suppose they are preventing their allies from coming in if they wish to but would rather they didn't, is that right? Why should treties be black and white? Each situation is diffrent. [/quote] Because the treaty was written black and white. Why have a treaty at all if the interpretation of the treaty is dependent on the situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Small Tip to Europa's allys... I look at it like this. Its your girlfriends birthday party this friday night and you know its going to be lame and want to be somewhere else fun. Your girlfriend says "its ok baby its only going to be a lame party with my friends anyway you dont need to come and be borded just run on off with the boys. For a split second you think wow this chick is so cool she gets it! ...and then it dawns on you...SHE IS WAITING FOR YOU TO SAY "NO BABY I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT BY YOUR SIDE - I'LL BE THERE!" [size="1"]ps...please escalate this war i'm bored [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joracy Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Well alright. We'll see how this goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) [quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1293053478' post='2550412'] Just think of how awesome it would be to FINALLY have no damn clue whats going to happen once war breaks out....and the causalties Atleast i get to buy my first wonder in over a year when this "war" ends [/quote] If the chips had just flown in from the start, we could be looking at that war, yet, it hasn't, and wont happen in our life time friend. Also you might want to hold off on that wonder, we have a party to attend first. Edited December 22, 2010 by The Pansy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) [quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1293055177' post='2550460'] When you ask for war... run away kicking and screaming when others bring it to you and avoid it at all costs. Wait is that how the adage goes? [/quote] Strawman, but whatever. I've rather enjoyed the extended peace. Just saying. [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1293055202' post='2550461'] Because the treaty was written black and white. Why have a treaty at all if the interpretation of the treaty is dependent on the situation? [/quote] The treaty was forged out of the mutual consent of two parties, can it not also be amended as such? Edited December 22, 2010 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1293055267' post='2550462'] Small Tip to Europa's allys... I look at it like this. Its your girlfriends birthday party this friday night and you know its going to be lame and want to be somewhere else fun. Your girlfriend says "its ok baby its only going to be a lame party with my friends anyway you dont need to come and be borded just run on off with the boys. For a split second you think wow this chick is so cool she gets it! ...and then it dawns on you...SHE IS WAITING FOR YOU TO SAY "NO BABY I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT BY YOUR SIDE - I'LL BE THERE!" [size="1"]ps...please escalate this war i'm bored [/size] [/quote] I don't think you're all getting it. We are literally arguing with our allies to stay out. They are a bit upset with us for not letting them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='iamthey' timestamp='1293055411' post='2550466'] I've rather enjoyed the extended peace. Just saying. [/quote] That's luck really because you're getting very good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='TheFlyingLobster' timestamp='1293055169' post='2550458'] The treaties that we are discussing right now do have Non-Chaining/Opt-Out clauses. This was discussed earlier. Keep up. [/quote] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=88939"]You're TLK isnt[/url]. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=94663"]Your UBD one isnt[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=86456"]Your Wolfpack one isnt[/url] Read your own treaties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaric Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 honorable and classy Europa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1293055202' post='2550461'] Because the treaty was written black and white. Why have a treaty at all if the interpretation of the treaty is dependent on the situation? [/quote] What [quote]Article II: Warfare An attack on one signatory is considered an attack on all others and shall be met with proper retaliation. [b]However, a signatory may refrain from defensive warfare with the consent of the remaining signatories.[/b][/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=94693 What [quote]An act of war upon one signatory is to be considered an act of war upon the other and will be responded to with all available force. Each signatory agrees to provide any and all information pertinent to the defense of the other. [b]Neither signatory is obligated to defend the other through actions as a result of other treaties.[/b][/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=95224 Although I must add that the treaty with Wolfpack/UDB/TLK lacks any obvious opt out/non-chaining clause, might want to fix that. Or point it out. But yeah, it's still Europas decsion to ask them to stay out if they wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1293055661' post='2550474'] That's luck really because you're getting very good at it. [/quote] Thanks, you too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Acca Dacca' timestamp='1293055707' post='2550477'] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=88939"]You're TLK isnt[/url]. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=94663"]Your UBD one isnt[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=86456"]Your Wolfpack one isnt[/url] Read your own treaties [/quote] Booooo, you beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1293055911' post='2550483'] Booooo, you beat me to it. [/quote] /me rubs his stache I'm good like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted December 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1293055911' post='2550483'] Booooo, you beat me to it. [/quote] Aye, and those aren't the updated treaties. We've made minor adjustments to most of them in the last month or so, and didn't feel it was a big enough deal to post on OWF. And Wolfpack treaty is covered by the BFF charter, as posted earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 It still baffles me that people are staying out of this war. Nobody is giving anyone terms (Iexcept maybe NEW) and nobody will throw everyone else into enslavement. It's a war for fun for admin's sake. Kill, peace, and then go back to normal. That's it. You literally have no reason [i]not[/i] to join in. It's war -enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1293055779' post='2550480'] What http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=94693 What http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=95224 Although I must add that the treaty with Wolfpack/UDB/TLK lacks any obvious opt out/non-chaining clause, might want to fix that. Or point it out. But yeah, it's still Europas decsion to ask them to stay out if they wish. [/quote] I don't see anything in WP/UDB/TLK treaties that is open to interpretation depending on the situation, WHAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdur Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 o/Europa Selflessness has never been more classy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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