Mergerberger II Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1286845137' post='2481929'] How are things in 2007 I'm quite curious [/quote] More fun, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalasin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1286847878' post='2481972'] More fun, I suspect. [/quote] People complained about how boring things were back then too, you know. "The good old days" are a myth constructed by those with a vested interest in demonstrating how their dominance of the world didn't make things as boring as they actually were. But just think about it for a moment. Pax Pacifica was a long period of peace and stability, interrupted only by the odd beat down. Logically speaking, is that going to be fun for most people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1286847820' post='2481970'] Yes, this is precisely it. I like FAN, but their reputation is entirely undeserved. I base my opinions off what I've seen, not some dudes fawning over them on the OWF. [/quote]I also base my opinions on that I've seen. Please point to the part of my statement which you found to be false. Was it the "more war experience than any other alliance in the world" or the "they've been devising new and creative ways to blow stuff up since the ancient times?" (Also, if you've not noticed, some of us are treating this as a sporting event, and I've adopted FAN as my 'home team' so to speak.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Bleda' timestamp='1286838321' post='2481870']. It's not coincidence that even though we've been paperless for over a year NOBODY has tried to take a bite out our sammich. [/quote] That's not it man, you're just not that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1286848494' post='2481982'] People complained about how boring things were back then too, you know. "The good old days" are a myth constructed by those with a vested interest in demonstrating how their dominance of the world didn't make things as boring as they actually were. But just think about it for a moment. Pax Pacifica was a long period of peace and stability, interrupted only by the odd beat down. Logically speaking, is that going to be fun for most people? [/quote]It's funny, because 100% of the complaints about the world being boring are coming from the top. Kinda invalidates your whole argument. I'm having a blast right now. It's way more fun then when I was on top with the rest of the old Hegemony. Note who it is right now relieving their boredom with these war games. Here's a hint, it's not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='President Obama' timestamp='1286847159' post='2481960'] I don't think it's really hate, more like not worshiping them as the rest of CN does for some reason. edit: To clarify, FAN probably are very good fighters, and have a great reputation in war but some of the praise is a bit much. [/quote] this. i have immense respect for FAN but to hail them as gods of war is a bit premature when theyve been through one war since the end of their conflict with NPO. i wish them the best of luck in this little game and look forward to meeting a few of them on the battlefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Phillips Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Uralica' timestamp='1286843939' post='2481915'] Besides, it's not like Mellonhead's in your alliance anymore. [/quote] Sweet baby jesus... why is it that so many of TOOLs membership in the past have this delusion that someone named mellonhead was a member of WTF? If it were possible to be more than 100% wrong, you guys would be it. Every player who has ever applied to WTF submitted an application, and EVERY application we've ever had for the last 4+ years is still on our forums. Go to www.worldtaskforce.com, create an account, email validate it, then learn to be friends with control+f and search for the truth. When you're done, please tell your friends. Inane comments like this are one of the reasons WTF members have made it a point to not participate in the OWF community. No offense to the bulk of you with opinions of us, positive or negative, based on facts. Back to your regularly scheduled programming, good luck to everyone involved, may FAN have mercy on our souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1286848588' post='2481983'] I also base my opinions on that I've seen. Please point to the part of my statement which you found to be false. Was it the "more war experience than any other alliance in the world" or the "they've been devising new and creative ways to blow stuff up since the ancient times?" (Also, if you've not noticed, some of us are treating this as a sporting event, and I've adopted FAN as my 'home team' so to speak.) [/quote] 1) Yes, they beat the hell out of Legion and NPO in early-mid 2007. After this they remained in peace mode for over a year. While I appreciate their steadfastness, their political campaign doesn't count as war experience, I'm sorry. 2) Totally disputing that, I've never seen them do anything new, they just did what NPO, GOONS and others had already figured out really well. These days they picked such an incredibly bad nationbuilding strategy (full nukes at 3-4k infra) that condemns them to being average forever. It kills your growth and ensures you will never have a good warchest. The fact that they're so severely underteched makes their large nuke count basically useless, as well. I know you weren't around last war (for [i]some unknown reason![/i]), but this was proven then and it's completely clear you're basing your opinion off of 2007. The top tier today is MK, TOP, and Umbrella. This is pretty much beyond dispute. I'm watching this too, you know. FOK is my own pick , because the rest are really no better than average. I'm just saying you picked the wrong team and your opinions are bad! Oh, and respond to me in #mushroom. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalasin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1286848835' post='2481987'] It's funny, because 100% of the complaints about the world being boring are coming from the top. Kinda invalidates your whole argument. I'm having a blast right now. It's way more fun then when I was on top with the rest of the old Hegemony. Note who it is right now relieving their boredom with these war games. Here's a hint, it's not us. [/quote] Well, I'm not actually saying the world is boring. I'm saying that today's world isn't any worse than it was a couple of years ago. I still disagree with the points you brought up, specifically that all the complaints are from those on top, but that's a matter of perception, so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't really see how that's relevant though. Secondly I'd like to point out back in the day, most of the complaints about how boring the Cyberverse was came from those who were not in a dominant position. For example, it was a major part of Vox Populi's propaganda. You know, the whole "multipolarity will make things more interesting" line. I suppose I don't really understand what you're getting at here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1286848835' post='2481987'] It's funny, because 100% of the complaints about the world being boring are coming from the top. Kinda invalidates your whole argument. [/quote] Haha perhaps if you ignore TORN and the like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pd73bassman Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Have fun fellas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uralica Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Asa Phillips' timestamp='1286848876' post='2481989'] Sweet baby jesus... why is it that so many of TOOLs membership in the past have this delusion that someone named mellonhead was a member of WTF? If it were possible to be more than 100% wrong, you guys would be it. Every player who has ever applied to WTF submitted an application, and EVERY application we've ever had for the last 4+ years is still on our forums. Go to www.worldtaskforce.com, create an account, email validate it, then learn to be friends with control+f and search for the truth. [/quote] Musta been ghosting you guys then. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Uralica' timestamp='1286850794' post='2482014'] Musta been ghosting you guys then. My mistake. [/quote] Ghost are silly, that's why we never wanted sanction, other then to get our flag in game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1286849218' post='2481992'] 1) Yes, they beat the hell out of Legion and NPO in early-mid 2007. After this they remained in peace mode for over a year. While I appreciate their steadfastness, their political campaign doesn't count as war experience, I'm sorry. 2) Totally disputing that, I've never seen them do anything new, they just did what NPO, GOONS and others had already figured out really well. These days they picked such an incredibly bad nationbuilding strategy (full nukes at 3-4k infra) that condemns them to being average forever. It kills your growth and ensures you will never have a good warchest. The fact that they're so severely underteched makes their large nuke count basically useless, as well. I know you weren't around last war (for [i]some unknown reason![/i]), but this was proven then and it's completely clear you're basing your opinion off of 2007. The top tier today is MK, TOP, and Umbrella. This is pretty much beyond dispute. I'm watching this too, you know. FOK is my own pick , because the rest are really no better than average. I'm just saying you picked the wrong team and your opinions are bad! Oh, and respond to me in #mushroom. Thanks! [/quote] FOK dropped out iirc /me goes back in his hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uralica Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Kristoff' timestamp='1286850932' post='2482016'] Ghost are silly, that's why we never wanted sanction, other then to get our flag in game [/quote] This is why, after we lost sanction the first time, I was like, "I never want sanction [i]again[/i]." We picked up something like forty ghosts at one point. Of course almost all of them bailed after Karma War. Including one that would later end up sanctioned because she dumped another alliance's guides on the forums after pretending to join them In any case, I do apologise for the misunderstanding, and it was my fault to begin with because that's where he was after Ragnarok kicked him out - ghosting WTF (after a while he hopped to WF then founded MO). Should've remembered the time he ghosted Polaris back in '08. Derpko is derp. Also: [quote]@Ghosts Leave WTF or die, ok.[/quote] Australian Warlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1286851282' post='2482021'] FOK dropped out iirc /me goes back in his hole [/quote] Welp then I don't have a favourite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uralica Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1286851282' post='2482021'] FOK dropped out iirc [/quote] No wonder some alliances don't have all 10 wars going I'm tabbing up the number of nations in anarchy out of those currently at war as we speak. And the results are in! None in Anarchy - Sparta, FAN One in Anarchy - WTF, FARK, GATO Two in Anarchy - NpO (lol Blake ), Athens Three in Anarchy - UPN Did R&R withdraw, though? Edited October 12, 2010 by Uralica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Uralica' timestamp='1286853345' post='2482042'] None in Anarchy - Sparta, FAN [/quote] Which is pretty surprising considering we're both primarily trading blows with each other and yes, RnR withdrew. Edited October 12, 2010 by Hyperion321 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yeah, our guy in anarchy said he'd join then forgot and was out of town XD He'll be up and fightin soon, didn't prep at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 This seems completely counterproductive, but okay, have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Quinoa Rex' timestamp='1286858531' post='2482100'] This seems completely counterproductive, but okay, have fun. [/quote] Who doesn't love a pointless war for funzies now and again? They don't all have to be srs bsns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1286859171' post='2482110'] Who doesn't love a pointless war for funzies now and again? They don't all have to be srs bsns. [/quote] Tha intranet iz serus bizness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 [quote name='Uralica' timestamp='1286853345' post='2482042'] No wonder some alliances don't have all 10 wars going I'm tabbing up the number of nations in anarchy out of those currently at war as we speak. And the results are in! None in Anarchy - Sparta, FAN One in Anarchy - WTF, FARK, GATO Two in Anarchy - NpO (lol Blake ), Athens Three in Anarchy - UPN Did R&R withdraw, though? [/quote] Sparta is now the only alliance with no anarchies. We just anarchied two fanner's tonight and then somebody else from UPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 One of you Spartans was close to goin into anarchy. So, who gets the badge from FAN Hyperion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uralica Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Heh, wow. UPN sure isn't doing well. From what I've heard on TOOL forums, a couple people from our gang are regretting not getting into this. And since it's a non-nuclear event, I s'pose I could throw my chip in that pile as well. Ah well. Life sucks sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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