Starcraftmazter Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 multiple degrees of separation multiple degrees of separation multiple degrees of separation This is very confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) Gosh, can't you let them be sovereign? I can just imagine all the bad things TOP is saying about Gre behind closed doors. It's quite pathetic how you treaty some of your allies when they are good little laptops. It's quite pathetic when someone leaves an alliance to save his infra after releasing information from private doors twice. To nyone that takes in Steve, be well aware that he is a spying coward. Steve you were the worst member TOP ever had, you are nothing but a pathetic bitter old man. As to the Gramlins, this is their choice to make. I'm still a little confused about it, but they are indeed sovereign. Edited January 2, 2010 by Kaiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Gosh, can't you let them be sovereign? I can just imagine all the bad things TOP is saying about Gre behind closed doors. It's quite pathetic how you treaty some of your allies when they are good little laptops. You for one should know that in our Gre/TOP area on our forums nothing is held back, or maybe not because you are pretty inactive and when war comes you went in to peacemode every war alert. Refused to follow TOP guidlines and military guidlines. Good luck to the next alliance that accepts you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I have a question that nobody likely has the answer to. How long was Rish's multi in NATO? I understand it was actually the older of the two nations, so if it were in NATO before Rish was in RoK, wouldn't it seem that NATO was spying on RoK, not the other way around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 It's quite pathetic when someone leaves an alliance to save his infra after releasing information from private doors twice. To nyone that takes in Steve, be well aware that he is a spying coward.Steve you were the worst member TOP ever had, you are nothing but a pathetic bitter old man. As to the Gramlins, this is their choice to make. I'm still a little confused about it, but they are indeed sovreign. You do realize panfilo is in your alliance, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I have a question that nobody likely has the answer to. How long was Rish's multi in NATO? I understand it was actually the older of the two nations, so if it were in NATO before Rish was in RoK, wouldn't it seem that NATO was spying on RoK, not the other way around? http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=2072960 I still can't tell if this announcement is serious or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I have a question that nobody likely has the answer to. How long was Rish's multi in NATO? I understand it was actually the older of the two nations, so if it were in NATO before Rish was in RoK, wouldn't it seem that NATO was spying on RoK, not the other way around? President Magee was a member of NATO for roughly a month. To clarify further, he was never a full member, only academy/recruit or whatever you want to call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) edit I probably shouldn't post in this topic right now Edited January 2, 2010 by President Obama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) You do realize panfilo is in your alliance, right? panfilo never spied on Athens. Edited January 2, 2010 by Kaiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned-You Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 An interesting stance to say the least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Emares Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) All Grämlins treaties are non-chaining, either explicitly or by interpretation. The Grämlins Charter specifically states it trumps any treaty where the charter and a treaty are in conflict.And the Grämlins charter Specifically states that ALL treaties the sign cannot Chain THEM into a war. So, to answer your question ALL of their treaties are non-chaining. Even if the treaty itself does not say that it is. I suspected as much. Thank you for the clarification. Edited January 2, 2010 by Lord Emares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakamitai Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I support the loyalty to your allies that you are trying to show here. Well done guys. I eagerly await to see how you manage to resolve the apparent contradiction within your position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Very well. That makes me very disappointed in Rish. I know he was getting bored of the game, but he certainly put his friends in a bad spot. Being said, I don't think anyone can hold Ragnarok responsible for it. It's pretty clear Rish was just getting bored and trying to stir the pot. I am more than certain Ragnarok neither knew nor approved of his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentkiller Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 SO if everyone on TPF's side uses The Rish's spying as a cb you will back them? Thats what I got from it, but I could be wrong. :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 SO if everyone on TPF's side uses The Rish's spying as a cb you will back them? Thats what I got from it, but I could be wrong. :S That's about what I took from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innerspeaker Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Oh come on. Take a damn side already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtheistRepublican Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 President Magee was a member of NATO for roughly a month.To clarify further, he was never a full member, only academy/recruit or whatever you want to call it. No, was a full member as of Dec 23rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) SO if everyone on TPF's side uses The Rish's spying as a cb you will back them? I think one really needs to look at the issue of spying. It is an aggressive act, people tend to use subjective logic with time frames and or context of when and how the acts were done, by whom and for what purpose. Spying is an act of war, period. One also needs to remember that the TPF and Rish issue are not linked acts but are only tied in by the people whom they effected. You have 2 issues here and clarified in the op, not 1 issue. Edited January 2, 2010 by Thorgrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) It's quite pathetic when someone leaves an alliance to save his infra after releasing information from private doors twice. To nyone that takes in Steve, be well aware that he is a spying coward.Steve you were the worst member TOP ever had, you are nothing but a pathetic bitter old man. As to the Gramlins, this is their choice to make. I'm still a little confused about it, but they are indeed sovereign. I hope you are willing to provide proof of those spying allegations. That's a pretty heavy thing to level against someone with absolutely no proof. Feel free to PM me. Stop buying all the crap Crymson tells you. He's never liked me. And did you say the same thing about me when I was taking nukes for TOP from my BAPS target while Crymson and a lot of TOP was cutting deals with the enemy to not go nuclear. It seems it's TOP that is scared to lose infra, not me. Leveling OOC attacks on me (do you even know my age?) is par for the course at TOP I guess. Classy as always. Edited January 2, 2010 by Steve Buscemi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alter Leader Nabla Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Sound like a "fair enough" move to me. Grämlins have always been an honorable alliance, I am glad to read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 panfilo never spied on Athens. No, instead he cut and ran along with Athens' entire upper tier when his alliance needed him most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) I think one really needs to look at the issue of spying. It is an aggressive act, people tend to use subjective logic with time frames and or context of when and how the acts were done, by whom and for what purpose. Spying is an act of war, period. One also needs to remember that the TPF and Rish issue are not linked acts but are only tied in by the people whom they effected. You have 2 issues here and clarified in the op, not 1 issue. If you're telling me that Rish has committed an aggressive act against NATO etc and that he is at war with them as an individual, ok I'll agree. I'm confused however as to why you're linking the actions of ex-government to those of the alliance. Do you consider Gremlins responsible for what Bob Janova does now that he is no longer government? (use another ex-gov still in the alliance if the fact that he's in VE changes your answer) And thanks for correcting me AtheistRepublican, I had missed that. Edited January 2, 2010 by Lord Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 Rather interesting response. The strategy continues to unfold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 lol, loved the conclusion XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 (edited) A fair decision by a great ally. Edited January 2, 2010 by tamerlane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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