Goose

I'm here to blow shit up. That is all.

It's been too long since I've heard the screaming of an enemy's mourning widows and orphans.

This makes me sad. Thanks to all the allies that supported and helped us through the years. It was a pleasure to be a part of the alliance through much of my nation's existence, and an even greater honor to have led The Commonwealth for several years. I wish everyone the best of luck at Invicta.

I most likely left him dissatisfied and wanting more.

Best of luck gents. I wish you well.

(26 in total #) [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=46088&Extended=1]Goose[/url] (Commonwealth of Sovereign Nations) - 2,691,845 Attacking + 6,485,345 Defending = 9,177,190 Casualties - 2,113 days old, 55,110.513 - 4343.20 casualties per day

[quote name='smurthwaite' timestamp='1340953571' post='2999905'] I concur. [/quote] It was a great time. I'd agree it was the most fun I've had.

Thank you for the recognition from No Vision. It's kind of sad how much things have changed. Best wishes and such...

Best of luck outside of CN mate.

[quote name='CptGodzilla' timestamp='1340668189' post='2996306'] Thank you. That explains [i]exactly[/i] why GATO hates GOD [/quote] You made me do it, remember?

[quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1340666719' post='2996282'] Not at all - I don't think an ages old split has much do to do with it. The hostage taking of LoSS and DT as a means of drawing NoR out has gone down in our memory as the first time someone actively screwed with us after the Viceroy ended. We befriended The Brain, who came with their own baggage of hate. I suppose we consider GOD to have been a "bad influence" in the sense that it was them puppeteering all the way through. We don't even have half the grievance LoSS and DT do, but it's nice to have a goal to drive yourself forward every day, y'know? At the time, Xiph and his crew were pretty untouchable, so maybe we'll feel a bit more comfortable with closing that chapter after this, because honestly I'm impressed we got here in the first place. [/quote] You are clearly confused. LoSS was offered peace with a no re-entry clause very early on. They were not 'held hostage'. I can understand they didn't want to leave DT on the battlefield, but they had a clear and clean way out of the war the entire time. As for DT, I felt wronged by their ODP activation. At the time they declared we'd already been having peace talks with LoSS, and they declared on Legacy who I cared for deeply at the time. I felt that they were out of line with what they did. At the time, I was in a position to do something about it. I likely overreacted and now CSN is one of the more hated alliances. As for us (CSN) trying to draw NoR out, that is patently false. Would it have been nice if they'd reneged on their peace treaty and re-entered against us, sure. I didn't like the first NoR for how they tried to 'run' Maroon, and I carried my dislike forward to their resurrected form. I figured they would keep their word and stay out. I do recall catching some heat in that for some reason NoR couldn't declare on NPO while we were still at war with DT, but I didn't pay much attention to it, as it didn't make sense. Either way, the alliances that CSN has actually wronged (namely DT and by extension LoSS), have had their pound of flesh and gotten over it. I can't say we're best of friends, but at least DT isn't foaming at the mouth like some of the vocal GATO members that weren't really involved in it.

[quote name='ShadowDragon' timestamp='1340663669' post='2996230'] Except that they declared to help Hydra at the request of the PB-led coalition that fought in that war, not over any logs. The logs were just thrown in there as a joke because they were amusing and given to SF by someone close to LoSS at the time. So that would be a pretty silly reason to hate someone considering all the stuff their friends and allies have been doing this war. Also not sure why you brought up CSN when he was talking about GOD. [/quote] He hates GOD by association with CSN. And he hates CSN for offering peace with a no re-entry clause to LoSS. EDIT: At least that's as best I can tell. It's also become so abundantly vogue to hate on CSN and GOD. I mean really, what are those two pathetic weak alliances going to do anyway?

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I for one am all for this. It exposes MK and their ilk as the mouth-breathers they are, and I've been promised that eventually I'll get to blow !@#$ up. It's wins all around if you ask me.

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1339552144' post='2981836'] I'll agree with you on the fact that this would not be necessary had things gone somewhat differently. But my reasoning for why this is a political victory for CSN and SF is on the subject of a different matter, which I will explain. Both you and I (hell, and pretty much the rest of the world while I'm at it) know that the SF alliances are not the kinds to bury the past in favor of the future. No. Instead, they will quite frequently call upon past grievances and old rivalries for the sake of forming a dislike with other alliances/groups. Hell, I don't think a single member of current RoK gov was in their positions when the falling out with SF occurred, and RoK has for all intensive purposes been neutered and is no longer a threat, but that won't stop the SF alliances from fighting a bitter war of hatred with those remaining RoK members, even though the feeling is under no circumstances mutual. So, what I'm basically trying to say is that SF don't forget grudges, at least not permanently. They'll hide them if it's convenient (as a lot of alliances to to be fair) but they don't go away. So where does that leave DT? DT, like all the other former Mjolnir alliances, was involved in a bitter war of words over IRC and the OWF during the majority of last year. A lot of harsh things were said on both sides and it resulted in a war front that the SF alliances wound up losing. That being said, with MJ as an entity dead and its former alliances scattered, it's not hard to see that SF smells blood in the water. Hell, you could see the rhetoric from the moment MJ's disbandment announcement was posted. The rivalry may be hidden right now, as both SF and many of the former MJ alliances are in the "marginalized" portion of the treaty web, but that is irrelevant. If SF thinks they can subjugate the MJ alliances in the future, they sure as hell will. You can have my word on that one. And, when that happens, treaties like this will only serve to cripple those who stand up against SF. DT won't be able to defend their allies from a SF attack, since they can't fight a key SF members. And that, right there, is the political victory that has been won today. [/quote] We're not the ones that formed a bloc with the explicit intent of rolling CSN/SF. You speak of holding grudges, yet much of the coalition that was involved in rolling CSN and SF continues to scream about wanting their own personal pound of flesh. I don't know where much of the hate against CSN comes from. DT is the only alliance I can think of with a legitimate grudge against us. We've each taken a shot at the other, have shaken hands, and are walking away from it. I can't fathom the issues that NoR has with us. A few members of GATO seem to still be suffering transference issues from us offering peace to LOSS with a no re-entry clause. I'm glad to see this signed and think it is a positive step forward.

Dead things should stay dead... Best of luck with this unfortunately named treaty.

Meh... Not really excited about this, but such is life. Well played everyone.

[quote name='Amossio' timestamp='1323919276' post='2878316'] not that it matters but you may include us in the bad blood, if it wasn't for us fighting RnR and RIA with our allies etc I'm sure we would be there instead of rok , I have a degree of respect for you and KO, but your alliance as a whole goose needs a reality check, especially when some of your members cry out "bully" amongst other things towards DT etc, you guys came in on us last war thinking it would be a easy war with a very dubious cb under the pretence of coalition warring expecting us to be out of allies, which we were, DT honoured a friendship and a treaty, came in for us and that got CSN and Xiph amongst other with their knickers in a twist.... I mean even the reps weren't originally intended for DT it was intended for your original target, CSN deserves what they getting, the only thing they need to do is take it on the chin and move on. I'm sure CSN do things their way, however look what happened so far.... [/quote] I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong. Reps were never mentioned with LoSS. LoSS had peace available to them from damn near day one, with the only terms being no re-entry and I believe a joke term or two. We declared on LoSS under the pretense of coalition war because that's where the coalition asked us to go. Yes, our link into the conflict was not direct, but it was at least something. Frankly, I don't think it does matter that LoSS is butthurt at CSN. Your butthurt is of your own doing, and really not justified beyond that of any other ally of DT. CSN did actually wrong DT and keep them in a damaging war. LoSS, on the other hand, reamained in the war as their choice, declining the peace offers of simply a no re-entry clause that were on the table the entire period of the extended conflict.

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1323909104' post='2878156'] You know, it needs to be said that your composure and pure tact have gained massive respect points in my book. Kudos to you for being respectful and professional. And even though we don't agree and probably never will on whether or not we were "justified" in our attacks, I truly wish you and yours nothing but the best in recovering from this war once it's all said and done. [/quote] [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1323909585' post='2878169'] Yeah, no question here. [/quote] I'm just glad I get to blow !@#$ up. The people of Turkeybowl have spent far too long without adding onto their national graveyards, and were growing restless. Sadly, this conflict has encroached upon the hallowed ground of the fallen heroes and we may have to resort to mass graves.

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1323894643' post='2877985'] [center][img]http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/chefjoesb/baby-cry.jpg[/img][/center] [center]TL;DR- ITT ^^^^^[/center] Truly all im getting out of this thread.... [/quote] At this point it seems to mostly just be Mesteut on his holy crusade to win a PR campaign. When nearly the whole world is in agreement that a side is the most terrible alliance on Bob, there's not much point in trying to win little PR points as the beatdown is coming and witty snippets trying to point out where the other side is bad isn't going to change that.

[quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1323856245' post='2877650'] Would you prefer if I said: -Yes -Yes -Yes Or should I ask SoM, Goose, KOwens or other rational members of CsN? I understand that you're upset that you're being triple teamed and that two of the alliances you're fighting were treatied to you around the last war... but that's what happens when your alliance acts the way it did. People don't like it. [/quote] I can certainly understand DT's justification and can't condemn it. I'm only sad that it was RoK and Legacy that joined in on the beatdown. We once had a very strong bond with those alliances and it disappoints me to see them be the frothing bandwagoners helping DT get their revenge. There is/was a lot of bad blood between CSN and DT after the last war, and I don't think anything's been done to clean that up. RoK, well, that relationship imploded with their departure from SF, and I'd just as soon not get into that drama fest. Legacy, well, with the fallout from CSN's stance last war and us becoming the most hated alliance in CN, I guess it was too much for Sarm. Not really impressed with their move away from the SF sphere of influence, but it isn't as though CSN did much to help the matter. Note: I've been pretty much wholly inactive since a few months after the last war so I can't speak with certainty about what CSN did or didn't do, but when I left there wasn't much being done to improve relations with RoK or Legacy.

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1323671935' post='2874963'] \m/ wouldn't mind, trust me it'd probably help at this point tbh [/quote] Sowing chaos in the ranks as an ever greater number of enemies argue over a finite number of slots. Eventually they'll turn on each other in their fight for slots.

Dear valiant protectors, I know you only hit us because you love us and we are so unworthy of your love. Perhaps you could help us as DT and Legacy are fighting us as we speak. Regards, Goose EDIT: I reread that, and I guess it could be that you're not protecting CSN, but merely think we're dumb enough to declare on your protectorates while outnumbered 3:1...

[quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1323613752' post='2873864'] Goose has the right spirit. Let's play some ball, here. Hey batter batter batter batter batter batter batter batter batter batter no batter no batter no batter no batter no batter no batter batter batter batter batter batter batter (et cetera, ad infinitum) And, yes, while we have heard stories about The Beast and how he ate up all those robbers, bone and all, we're just gonna have to play ball next to that junkyard fence all the same. Welcome to the Sandlot, CSN. Time for the fireworks show with Ray Charles singing in the background... [/quote] The only reason I haven't abdicated from Turkeybowl is that I knew this day was coming and wanted to blow !@#$ up. Like I said, I think DT is fully justified in hitting us. I'm just disappointed in the two alliances that came along to kick us in the gut on our way down. I still get to blow !@#$ up!