Michael McBride Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 I do believe the Americas hold a similar "No Colonies" policy. If I do recall correctly, the Americas took action against Groelandia [OOC: amirite? I might be mistaken] for holding lands in North America. Your hypocrisy is the only petulant thing here. The UMS is not involved with Italica, so do not misconstrue our actions for our allies' actions.And perhaps you don't realize, but when you interfere with our naval actions, you are attacking them and preventing them from completing their objectives, which is a hindrance of military doctrine, which activates the rules of engagement. Please enlighten us as to how long this policy has been in place for the UMS? Because it seems all too convenient that right when your allies attack Italica, you choose to attack Italian Somalia. So, exactly where were your protests when Italy set up their colony? America does have a long standing "no colonies" policy, enforced by two different doctrines. However, unlike you, we take action when the colonies are formed, not at a later date when it is convenient for us. As for Groelandia, the situation was handled diplomatically. The situation arose because Groelandia, a nation holding lands in the Americas, Europe, and Antarctica, therefore making it a non-American nation, tried to expand in the Americas, taking more land. This was seen as attempting to get another colony in America, and the action was stopped. We do not force out nations with colonies in America, for the moment, but we do not allow them to expand either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 This has been a long-standing policy for quite a long time now, and was reaffirmed with our entry into the Aphrike Treaty. Perhaps you see it to be 'convenient', but we call it sheer coincidence. The fact of the matter is that it is a subservient Italian. We have given advanced notice to their government requesting they surrender immediately to prevent any violence. And perhaps you weren't aware, but the United Mechodamian States has been involved in several conflicts which have prevent us from taking action, most notably the crisis in Mandalore and detailed internal crises. The land belonging to Somalia Italiana also was without NAPO consent as it was a NAPO protectorate beforehand, of course NAPO is now a defunct bloc. The reason why it was a NAPO protectorate, however, was to prevent it from being colonized. This goes the same for Italica, but we personally do not view Italica as a colony of a foreign nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) OOC: This war is not happening ingame, and if i roleplay a non-ig war it's because it was previously agreed and pre-planned, over and out. EDIT: I will, HOWEVER roleplay the pression and eventually a blockade for the sake of roleplay (and because it's out of my sphere of influence). But i will not recognize any unprovoked armed invasion. Edited December 6, 2009 by Junio Borghese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 OOC: Unfortunately for you can either give up the land or recognize the war. Why? In Botha mode, the land has to be within your SOI. It is not within your SOI, meaning that Botha mode is null-and-void. We can talk about this more in the OOC thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 OOC: This war is not happening ingame, and if i roleplay a non-ig war it's because it was previously agreed and pre-planned, over and out.EDIT: I will, HOWEVER roleplay the pression and eventually a blockade for the sake of roleplay (and because it's out of my sphere of influence). But i will not recognize any unprovoked armed invasion. OOC: Unfortunately for you can either give up the land or recognize the war. Why? In Botha mode, the land has to be within your SOI. It is not within your SOI, meaning that Botha mode is null-and-void. We can talk about this more in the OOC thread. OOC: Sorry mate but if you say A you have to say B too. You are in Botha mode and hand over the land or you are not and fight for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) OOC: The Activation of Treaties is a De Facto recognition of War. Just a thought >.>b Cant have someone defend you AND not get involved. IC: Molakian Expatriots in Africa start to laugh, saying "We told you so!" to several nation's embassies. Edited December 6, 2009 by Comrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) Official Communique of the Italian Government Fascist ways were abandoned one month ago in all the Republic and its oversea colony and the process of democratization is taking place in every corner of the nation. Right now, the ballots for the election of a Constituent Assembly, with a discreete regional representation for Italian Somalia, are being supervised by the Colonial Govermment. In the elective process, natives are not only allowed to vote, but also to run for the election of the Governor General of Italian Somalia, an election that will take place right after Italian General elections. Accusing Italy of taking away the freedom of the Somali people is not only a lie, but an insult to the Somali people themself. The Somali people are happy and enjoy an unprecedented wealth in their country which has been granted more autonomy and sovereignty since the major changes in the italian political system. De facto, Italy is a parliamentary republic, a multi party state, where personal freedoms and human rights are fully recognized and guaranteed by the Constitution. We would like to point out how Italian rule has transformed this anarchist wasteland into the most economically prosperous and advanced nation of the Horn of Africa, and if the Mechodamian States think we are brutal criminal, they are either retarded or unaware of the situation in Italian Somalia. Here we see the true colours of the war-keeping liberators, who bring death and destruction in civilized lands, with the excuse of exporting democracy and freedom, while they are themself, the parody of a pseudo-democracy. The Italian administration brought peace and civilization in a land known for its lawlessness and stateless reality. The Italian Government built clinics, schools, police stations, universities, factories, roads, infrastructures and improved the life of all the Somali People. At present, the population of Italian Somalia is estimated around 7000, and the only semi-militarized force are the officers of the Colonial Police of Italian Somalia, and the majority is made of native somalis who joined the force to grant a future to their families and their children. If you attack this undefended land, inhabitated by civilians and honest workers who are still committed to build a better society, you will commit a crime, and you will be responsible for the death of innocent people. You are the real criminals, mobilizing tens of ships and hundred thousands of men, for a 7000 men nation, defended by roughly 500 officers of the Colonial Police, you are either retarded, or you lack of a decent intellience agency to find out this colony has nothing to do with fascism and dictatorship. The Somali people didn't ask your intervention. Signed Junio Borghese Edited December 6, 2009 by Junio Borghese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 OOC: I just realized as per :this: Il Duce is residing within NoN borders, at one of the most secured facilities within the NoN. IC: CLASSIFIED Il Duce will be given full diplomatic immunity and protection within the NoN. He will be allowed to communicate with his government back home without any interference and the full support of the NoN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Random teen blogger sending an email to Junio's staff: UMS is declaring war because it is a colony, not because you are fascists..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) Carthage has officially ordered all diplomatic staff to withdraw from both Italica and Somalia Italiana. Diplomatic communications have been shut off and access through the Straits have been denied for both nations. The Italian Republic will not forget this, if this is your response after our expeditionary force in defense of Carthage and our hospitality when your Government and your King had no home to reside, then the whole Carthaginian diplomatic staff is hereby expelled from Italy, they will be escorted to the airport where they will take the first flight to Carthage. Edited December 6, 2009 by Junio Borghese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Random teen blogger sending an email to Junio's staff:UMS is declaring war because it is a colony, not because you are fascists..... Response from the staff of the Office of the President: They are declaring war because they are too dumb to use diplomacy... "Violence, is the weapon of the stupid.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Response from the staff of the Office of the President:They are declaring war because they are too dumb to use diplomacy... "Violence, is the weapon of the stupid.." **Random teen blogger** Well, you can just unconditionally surrender the colony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 **Random teen blogger**Well, you can just unconditionally surrender the colony. Response from the staff of the Office of the President: Would you let robbers and rapists live in your room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Response from the staff of the Office of the President:Would you let robbers and rapists live in your room? Would you let a 2-year old use a loaded gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) **Private** "You think its really a random teen blogger Emily?" The Brisbane undergrad looked up from her computer and sighed running through the various windows, looking for some topic to cover for a speech next week. "What's that Nikki?" "This debate on the web, about the Somalian !@#$. Some random teen is gaining news from Novak." "How's he type?" "Well, you can just unconditionally surrender the colony." Said Nikki. "No 'u's or 'k's?" "Nope." "Yeah that's definitely the government. They should really try to disguise themselves better." Edited December 6, 2009 by Sarah Tintagyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Response from the staff of the Office of the President:Would you let robbers and rapists live in your room? **random teen blogger** Considering you have no influence over the area, why should you continue to have said control over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Official Statement from the UMS We have not invaded. We have not taken offensive action as of yet on your land. We ask you surrender the land over to the Aphrike signatories. All you need to do is surrender. We will not take action against civilians, nor will we engage your people unless they fire upon us. Though that may seem like a silly concept, it's how the rules of engagement work. We are not taking this action because you are fascists, but rather because you have a colony in Africa that can only act to destabilize the region with European politics and dissension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 LOLWUT, Italy just got PWND by the Africans. <3 Africa. They have 2 surrender it - Random teen blogger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Tintagyl Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 LOLWUT, Italy just got PWND by the Africans. <3 Africa. They have 2 surrender it- Random teen blogger. **Private** "Now there's a real teen blogger." "Oh good lord..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) The Italian Republic will not forget this, if this is your response after our expeditionary force in defense of Carthage and our hospitality when your Government and your King had no home to reside, then the whole Carthaginian diplomatic staff is hereby expelled from Italy, they will be escorted to the airport where they will take the first flight to Carthage. //OOC: When I first wrote that post I had some names confused and !@#$.// A letter has been sent to the Italian Republic from the President himself, instead of the Secretary of State, detailing the mistakes made with the orders to withdraw embassy staff. He explained that the Secretary of State made their second large African-oriented mistake in a week and will be dealt with privately. He also explained that he simply ordered the withdrawal of the embassy staff inside of Somalia, not Italy or Italian-controlled Somalia. The mistake was in the interpretation of "Italian-controlled Somalia" and the Secretary of State did not know to simply remove the Italican embassy staff. He expressed his utmost apologies and hopes that this diplomatic mistake will not harm our relationship. He also clarified that he is only a supporter of the ridding the government of Italica from Africa and that he has refused to offer troops in case of spilling Italian blood, directly or indirectly. Edited December 6, 2009 by Sargun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Amazing logic some of these hypocrits have: let's invade a peaceful, developing colony in Italian Somalia - probably the most stable government the land has ever seen - and replace it with... I don't know, anarchy and crap? Or worse, outright imperialist occupation? What is rather interesting is in late October, Italica hosted many of the African nations to a conference to discuss an assortment of issues. At no time then did I ever recall hearing complaints ot concerns about colonialism - or the host, Italica. Some of the nations now thumping their chests like apes clambouring for the removal of Italica were also in attendence at this meeting. Hypocrits or backstabbers - which is it going to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 The UMS has no issue with Italica explicitly, though we do not necessarily agree with their choice of government. With that said, we aren't pursuing action against Italica, that is Novak and the Rebel Army. And perhaps Transvaal has been out of link with Europe, but it seems time from time again Europe degrades itself in constant war after war and we will not tolerate European influence from having a steadfast hold on our continent. We have military in position, but never did we say diplomacy was out of the question. We offered terms. We do not intend to slaughter innocent civilians nor do we intend to slaughter the viceroy government. We are liberating the land of Italian subjection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) "Transvaal is among the most backstabbing nations in the world for obvious reasons to their very own citizens. Nobody should need to list the human rights abuses Transvaal has done to their own citizens. Having them call members of the Aphrike Treaty hypocrites and backstabbers is comedy gold, and I urge the nation of Transvaal to continue their routine of embarrassing themselves on a public diplomatic channel." Edited December 6, 2009 by Sargun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 "Transvaal is among the most backstabbing nations in the world for obvious reasons to their very own citizens." Criticise us all you want about our explosive social problems, but we are talking about international relations here between sovereign governments. The Italican state has every right to be in Africa. If they don't have that right to nationhood in Somalia, then what rights does asiatic Rebel Army have to Egypt or their enclave in Gabon? What right does Carthage have to southern Spain? What right does Novak have to Eritrea? The Italicans have no other nation to call home because there is another Italian state already occupying their homeland. Somalia is as good as any location for them as the territory hs never had any stable, local governance of any sort as well there are some loose historical ties between Somalia and Italy. Again, I will ask Sargun: why did you (Carthage) not bring up this issue with Italica at the meeting when there was the chance for peaceful recourse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Again, I will ask Sargun: why did you (Carthage) not bring up this issue with Italica at the meeting when there was the chance for peaceful recourse? "Probably because my country was attacked with a nuclear weapon early into the conference and most of my government was killed almost instantly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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