African Mobalizations

[Nagato the Great]

There is a distinct difference between Communism and Socialism.

[Agostinho Neto]

There is a distinct difference between Communism and Socialism.

This is irrelevant to the issue. They said its impossible to have 0% unemployment unless there is a socialist government, and we confirm that Italian fascism is just a third way. Nazism, Fascism, Communism - they are variants of socialism, and Italy, therefor, is a socialist country intended as a nation oriented towards social policies and improvements rather than the profit of private multi national companies

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[Nagato the Great]

Regardless. It is impossible for a nation or even a territory to have not a single unemployed person.

[Sargun II]

Regardless. It is impossible for a nation or even a territory to have not a single unemployed person.

Generalissimo, Generalissimo of Procinctia! would beg to differ.

[Agostinho Neto]

Regardless. It is impossible for a nation or even a territory to have not a single unemployed person.

Just because you don't know how to make it possible, doesen't mean we don't.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[Stefano Palmieri]

"We laugh at the sheer hypocrisy of the Aphrike Treaty rabble, which is obviously based on reverse racism. We shall ignore this, though we'll have a hard time not trying to laugh."

"Reverse Racism. Would you mind explaining that to us?"

[Agostinho Neto]

Official Communique of the Italian Government

We will leave somalia only if one condition is accepted.

Since this whole debate is over Colonialism and foreign influence over Somalia, our toughts can't go nowhere but to Sicily and Sardinia, two fully Italian islands under administration of a middle-eastern government centered around Israel.

We ask that Sicily and Sardinia are returned to their rightful owners - the true, only Italian nation ever existed since 2005, the Italian Republic. If this request is met, we will leave Italian Somalia and leave all our improvements intact.

And if this is a real struggle against imperialism and colonialism and European influence over the African continent, then we see no reason why this request shouldn't be met. After all, Sicily and Sardinia are not middle eastern or african, and if we have no right to control Somalia, the they have no right to control Sicily and Sardinia.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[SpacingOutMan]

Official UMS Communique

We don't have control over the islands in your demands so those conditions cannot be met, unless the Rebel Army willfully cedes them. Unfortunately we do not find it policy to attempt to forcibly trade our allies' lands for some land that has been under RA control for a very long time. Perhaps you may find it hard to understand, but their war is against fascism, the UMS has no qualm with the idea of fascism as even our form of government has similarities to fascism, though we are not. We are not willing to put civilians in harm's way, hence why we have not attacked your lands yet, but our soldiers are in position to invade and cease the country. All of them are equipped with non-lethal weaponry, mind you, and our missile silos have been diverted to defensive positions as opposed to offensive positions. We understand that although Somalia Italiana may be controlled by Italy, it also is full of African-borne citizens. With that said, though, diplomacy is always is an option.

[Vedran]

"Reverse Racism. Would you mind explaining that to us?"

What they mean is that the Aphrike signatories (which are of course symbolized as "the black man" which is really a stereotype by now, many Africans today are not black) is being racist by invading Italica, which is a white nation. The "reverse" part appears to stem from these people's belief that racism without adjectives can only be committed by whites, which is a very white-centric way of thinking...so really, they are the racists here, not the Aphrike members."

To Italy:

"Sardinia had belonged to Gebiv for a long time until that nation's dissolution, claiming it has belonged to you since 2005 is a lie."

Edited December 7, 2009 by Vedran

[Voodoo Nova]

Official Communique of the Italian Government

We will leave somalia only if one condition is accepted.

Since this whole debate is over Colonialism and foreign influence over Somalia, our toughts can't go nowhere but to Sicily and Sardinia, two fully Italian islands under administration of a middle-eastern government centered around Israel.

We ask that Sicily and Sardinia are returned to their rightful owners - the true, only Italian nation ever existed since 2005, the Italian Republic. If this request is met, we will leave Italian Somalia and leave all our improvements intact.

And if this is a real struggle against imperialism and colonialism and European influence over the African continent, then we see no reason why this request shouldn't be met. After all, Sicily and Sardinia are not middle eastern or african, and if we have no right to control Somalia, the they have no right to control Sicily and Sardinia.

*teen blogger*

This government must be retarded. The Italian Republic has only existed since February of this year!

[Nagato the Great]

What they mean is that the Aphrike signatories (which are of course symbolized as "the black man" which is really a stereotype by now, many Africans today are not black) is being racist by invading Italica, which is a white nation. The "reverse" part appears to stem from these people's belief that racism without adjectives can only be committed by whites, which is a very white-centric way of thinking...so really, they are the racists here, not the Aphrike members."

To Italy:

"Sardinia had belonged to Gebiv for a long time until that nation's dissolution, claiming it has belonged to you since 2005 is a lie."

Mandalore is a predominantly white nation. Am I being racist to my own people by supporting the Aphrike signatories?

[Agostinho Neto]

*teen blogger*

This government must be retarded. The Italian Republic has only existed since February of this year!

Let us rephrase that:

Since 2005, there have been many declared governments in Italy, but only one nation ever considered itself "Italian" and actually in control of the Peninsula without overlapping another country's dimension : The Repubblica Italiana (Our official name is in Italian, because we are Italian, and we speak Italian), established un June 2009.

Also, stop arguing over such irrelevant details and, if you can, try to comment the real issue.

[Agostinho Neto]

Official UMS Communique

We don't have control over the islands in your demands so those conditions cannot be met, unless the Rebel Army willfully cedes them. Unfortunately we do not find it policy to attempt to forcibly trade our allies' lands for some land that has been under RA control for a very long time. Perhaps you may find it hard to understand, but their war is against fascism, the UMS has no qualm with the idea of fascism as even our form of government has similarities to fascism, though we are not. We are not willing to put civilians in harm's way, hence why we have not attacked your lands yet, but our soldiers are in position to invade and cease the country. All of them are equipped with non-lethal weaponry, mind you, and our missile silos have been diverted to defensive positions as opposed to offensive positions. We understand that although Somalia Italiana may be controlled by Italy, it also is full of African-borne citizens. With that said, though, diplomacy is always is an option.

Contact them and ask them to stop imperialism over Italian islands, if you really wish to end this peacefully, even if we highly doubt that. In our eyes, you are just trying to find excuses to expand your borders, ignoring all the achievements we reached and depicting us as invaders while you should all thank us for what we did in Somalia.

Rebel Army is a member of this imperialist coalition masked as an anti-colonial treaty, but let's suppose we are so stupid we can't see the game behind this parody of a treaty. Alright we were very bad kids, and now we agree with you colonialism is bad: Leave Italian land, and we will leave African land. Simple as it is.

Whatever your choice is remember: the Colonial Police is not equipped with toy guns.. and don't talk about how long Rebel Army controlled those islands.. we have been here in Italian Somalia for more than 2 months.. we see what you did there, you went like this: "Is not colonialism when WE do it"

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[Vedran]

Mandalore is a predominantly white nation. Am I being racist to my own people by supporting the Aphrike signatories?

That is what some want the world to believe.

[Voodoo Nova]

Contact them and ask them to stop imperialism over Italian islands, if you really wish to end this peacefully, even if we highly doubt that. In our eyes, you are just trying to find excuses to expand your borders, ignoring all the achievements we reached and depicting us as invaders while you should all thank us for what we did in Somalia.

Rebel Army is a member of this imperialist coalition masked as an anti-colonial treaty, but let's suppose we are so stupid we can't see the game behind this parody of a treaty. Alright we were very bad kids, and now we agree with you colonialism is bad: Leave Italian land, and we will leave African land. Simple as it is.

Whatever your choice is remember: the Colonial Police is not equipped with toy guns.. and don't talk about how long Rebel Army controlled those islands.. we have been here in Italian Somalia for more than 2 months.. we see what you did there, you went like this: "Is not colonialism when WE do it"

"Who was the last Italian nation to hold those islands?"

[Sargun II]

SIC

An additional 120,000 troops have been flown to the Socotran island.

[Executive Minister]

Never did we say they were a crime. The Aphrike Treaty is utilized to create a community bereft of foreign colonialism, lacking the influence that is unknown to Africa. We do not wish to create a hegemony and your assertion that we do is disheartening. If we truly aimed to a hegemonic claim over Africa, we would have invaded all dissension and lack of support, which would include your fair Transvaal, Arctica, and the Kingdom of Serca. Yet we do not because we are trying to unite Africa by ridding it of foreign influence. As for expansionism, that is yet to be seen as it all depends on the stability of the region. However, this was not done under expansionist pretenses and the casus belli needs not to be justified because the purpose of a casus belli is to state the case of war, not the cause of war. The case of war is beyond moral limitations and doesn't need justification as it is an objective statement of a situation of clause. Remember that, but that is a minor technicality.

We do not act as the world's police, but rather the front-lines of Africa as apathy seems to have glazed over the rest. Call it self-righteous, we call it due vigilance.

The Aphrike Treaty was created long after the Italican Regime and nation was created. The whims of the elite should hold no power over sovereign entities.

As long as you press for a Sovereign nation to give up its lands and its right to exist over to you and your fellow signatories, this assertion stands. We are beginning to wonder if this is the same UMS we saw right after the EAW.

[Agostinho Neto]

"Who was the last Italian nation to hold those islands?"

As far as we know, in this dimension of Planet Bob, no other nation called itself "Italian" before us.

[Voodoo Nova]

As far as we know, in this dimension of Planet Bob, no other nation called itself "Italian" before us.

"Then how can you claim it to be Italian islands?"

[Nagato the Great]

The problem is that Europe, long an unstable and wartorn continent, controls areas of Africa, increasing the chance of war involving Africa. If it had been from a very peaceful and stable region, I think the reaction would have been very different.

[Agostinho Neto]

"Then how can you claim it to be Italian islands?"

Because Sicily and Sardinia are 1000% ethnically and culturally Italian.

[Agostinho Neto]

The problem is that Europe, long an unstable and wartorn continent, controls areas of Africa, increasing the chance of war involving Africa. If it had been from a very peaceful and stable region, I think the reaction would have been very different.

Italy is probably the most stable country of the European Continent. In 6 months of sovereignty and independence our country didn't face any sudden change we didn't previously approved and planned, like democratization and de-fascistization. Meanwhile we were sorrounded by nord/communist/fascist/socialist/whateverist revolutions/wars/state coups/rebellions/invasions/krauts and sausages for breakfast.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[Nagato the Great]

I do not wish to argue with you. I agree with the plan you suggested. However, peaceful as you may be, you are surrounded by conflict, which at any time could engulf you.

[Agostinho Neto]

I do not wish to argue with you. I agree with the plan you suggested. However, peaceful as you may be, you are surrounded by conflict, which at any time could engulf you.

There is only one reason a country declares war on another country: Because it wants to expand its borders - end of story. Imperialism Imperialism Imperialism, that's why countries declare war.

Causa Bellica (Causa from latin Causa = Cause, Bellica from Bellicus = Warlike) is just an "elegant" way to define lies and imperialist aims... and when people say "we have a casus belli, they occupy an african land!" it's because they want to expand their border, simple as it is... tell me what right have the.. do these nations have a nationality at least? Well let's say the Rebel Army is egyptian.. what rights have the Egyptians to rule over Somalia? And the Nigerians? The Liberians? The Algerians? Do they have any special privilege to be the rightful rulers of Somalia? Just because both Nigerians and Somalis are black, the Somalis have be controlled by the Nigerians? A part from the fact the Government of Italian Somalia is entirely composed by natives, not Italians, why they don't ask the opinion of the Somali population before overthrowing our efficient government?

I'll give you the answer... because they know the Somali people like the Italian administration, and these nations don't care about what the somali people think, they want the land for themself, not for the Somali people.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[SpacingOutMan]

Contact them and ask them to stop imperialism over Italian islands, if you really wish to end this peacefully, even if we highly doubt that. In our eyes, you are just trying to find excuses to expand your borders, ignoring all the achievements we reached and depicting us as invaders while you should all thank us for what we did in Somalia.

If we didn't wish for this to end peacefully, we would have carpet bombed Somalia and never taken into account the lives lost. We are not murderers. And the land that the land would become would not be controlled by the United Mechodamian States, but rather a Protectorate for the Somalis to rise up and create their own nation in a moderated fashion instead of being a colonized-controlled region. We have no ill-will toward Italy; we do, however, hold ill-will to Europe's past.

Rebel Army is a member of this imperialist coalition masked as an anti-colonial treaty, but let's suppose we are so stupid we can't see the game behind this parody of a treaty. Alright we were very bad kids, and now we agree with you colonialism is bad: Leave Italian land, and we will leave African land. Simple as it is.

How can you claim those islands were Italian when no Italian state existed in the past? The same argument can be made that even older cultures owned the island before the Italians. Regardless, we have no control over these islands and we will not press the issue any further with the Rebel Army. They are informed of the situation and will render a decision on their own. We will let you know what they decide.

Whatever your choice is remember: the Colonial Police is not equipped with toy guns.. and don't talk about how long Rebel Army controlled those islands.. we have been here in Italian Somalia for more than 2 months.. we see what you did there, you went like this: "Is not colonialism when WE do it"

Except the RA has nothing to do with a colonial casus belli, so I have no idea what you are eluding to.

The Aphrike Treaty was created long after the Italican Regime and nation was created. The whims of the elite should hold no power over sovereign entities.

As long as you press for a Sovereign nation to give up its lands and its right to exist over to you and your fellow signatories, this assertion stands. We are beginning to wonder if this is the same UMS we saw right after the EAW.

We have nothing to do with the Italican regime, nor are we dealing with them at all. The UMS following the Eastern African War has hardly changed. The death of Lord Prefect Kilik Torqameda opened our eyes, and we realized that as long as Europe has stakes in Africa in sovereign entities, we will never be exempt from the travesties of their instability. We never expected Nod to understand this position and we can understand why. We fought over a war of imperialism and peace was thankfully resolved. Our nations actually cooperated to save Mandalore from European powers. Now it is time to make sure that these same European powers do not repeat these actions again. We do not expect Nod to help us and we understand that our relations will forever be strained after this, but you have to understand that we do this for the betterment of Africa, and we wish to do so in a peaceful manner. Unfortunately we have to be contingent, hence the deployed forces.