African Mobalizations

[Nagato the Great]

Wrong. I don't speak for the Aphrike treaty, but I hardly think they wish to expand their territory. Otherwise this would have occured long ago. Besides, obviously they have not attacked you full force and without warning, as any smart nation would do if they wishe to expand.

[Agostinho Neto]

How can you claim those islands were Italian when no Italian state existed in the past? The same argument can be made that even older cultures owned the island before the Italians.

You have history books in your country? Sicilians and Sardinians speak Italian, not Arab, Rebel Army has no right to stay there in the same way, according to your mozzarella-proof logic, we have no right to stay in Somalia.

And about the Italian states existed in the past:

Kingdom of Italy (Romano-Barbaric) (476 - 493)

Kingdom of Italy (Post-Roman Medieval) (568-774, Nominally untill the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806)

Kingdom of Italy (Napoleonic) (1805-1814)

Kingdom of Italy (House of Savoy) (1861–1946)

Italian Republic (Aftermath of WW2) (1946-2005)

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[V The King]

"Whatever the outcome of this ludicrous conflict is, Viniland's doors are open to any Italian (in either Italica or Italian Somalia) wishing to flee war. Conveniently for them, Italian is one of our official languages."

[Executive Minister]

We have nothing to do with the Italican regime, nor are we dealing with them at all.

The first statement was a blanket statement towards the Aphrike Treaty. It is meant to be separate from the second statement, hence the pause in our speech (OOC: The space ).

However, while you do not threaten Italica, your bedfellows do. While you continue to preach the evil's of Europe's past, a past that the Repubblica Italiana has no part of (another Aphrike Signatory made a statement recognizing the RI's fledgling nature), we would like to state an old European adage that sums up your involvement with this treaty quite handsomely,

"Tell me who is with you [your friends/partners] and I'll tell you what you are."

The UMS following the Eastern African War has hardly changed. The death of Lord Prefect Kilik Torqameda opened our eyes, and we realized that as long as Europe has stakes in Africa in sovereign entities, we will never be exempt from the travesties of their instability. We never expected Nod to understand this position and we can understand why. We fought over a war of imperialism and peace was thankfully resolved. Our nations actually cooperated to save Mandalore from European powers. Now it is time to make sure that these same European powers do not repeat these actions again. We do not expect Nod to help us and we understand that our relations will forever be strained after this, but you have to understand that we do this for the betterment of Africa, and we wish to do so in a peaceful manner. Unfortunately we have to be contingent, hence the deployed forces.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Would you rather have the Somalians subvert to a Mad Dog'esque regime? Filled with fast cars, explosives and a mother's interference? I hope not, as we have full intentions of making that !@#$%^& pay for his crimes against our people.

If Junio Borghese was smart, he would put that Governor of Italian Somalia on the word stage and have him preach to the world about the Somalian's collective and full support of its parent entity.

If the Italians have half the resolve the Ecuadorians have, then they will repel you. They will fight you at the start on the beaches, up until the very end. And they will have our full support and sympathy every step of the way. This does not bode well for your reputation. Do not soil yourself any longer with these A-freaks (sp?).

Edited December 7, 2009 by Executive Minister

[king of cochin]

Just like the Dragon Empire? Your past speaks for itself all to well. Your government is not exempt from the power-tripping in which you claim the Aphrike Treaty has undergone. Perhaps you forget, but you were granted to keep Bososa out of good will and because of your close allied ties with the former Somali nation [OOC: Firestorm's old nation, the name is on the tip of my tongue but I can't seem to recall ]. Do not abuse that good will, though nor do we expect you to just take any crap from anyone.

Why do we do what we do in the Aphrike Treaty? The rest of Africa stands apathetic to the intervention of European nations and "Africa is for Africa" has been a sentiment long echoed by past nations, such as the aforementioned former Somali nation. We stand by our affirmations strongly. The UMS doesn't wish to see the imperialism of Europe plague Africa and European alone. That is our own personal opinion, and as you are an Asian nation, well, the fact that we agreed to your lot of land is a statement in of itself.

The Kingdom does not wish to absolve itself of the responsibilities of having once been a part of the Dragon Empire. And we never forget the way by which we secured the sovereignty of Bosaso. It was indeed through the good will on the NAPO. During the negotiations at the time we had indeed given a promise not to involve in African matters, a promise which we had fulfilled till now. (OOC: firestorm's nation was Republic of Free Somal) . We have also not violated our promise of no-expansion in Africa.

The recent change in our stance is directly due to the belligerent statements made by some of your allies which implied an overt threat to our sovereignty. Sovereignty is something paramount to us, and we shall go to any extend to maintain that. As UMS very well knows Bosaso is not a colony in the normal manner. There are no populations being subjected under Cochin rule. It is a highly industrialized city established out of barren unpopulated land to bring much needed employment and development to regions of Somalia. We have never made it any condition that the employees working in our industries in Bosaso need be Cochin citizens, however we do offer immigration opportunities to everyone who works for our industries, to be a full citizen of the Kingdom of Cochin.

The Kingdom of Cochin has always been grateful for the goodwill displayed by the UMS. We are indeed gratified that it has not yet changed. If there is any misunderstandings on the part of the thinking of your allies, surely you may be able to correct them. We had issued our statements against Aphrike Treaty signatories in this conflict because our national interests were threatened by your allies. We felt that in siding with these belligerent forces, even UMS may have rethought their erstwhile relations with us. In such circumstances would you not expect us to oppose you in any way we can? It is simple common sense.

As far as the Kingdom of Cochin is concerned, so long as conflict does not affect Bosaso, we are unconcerned. We have a Non Aggression Pact with Italica but our relations with Repubblica Italiana has always been rather of the frigid variety. We do not plan to involve in those conflicts in which we are not obligated or interested to involve in. If the anti-colonial stance of Aphrike Treaty signatories involve robbing us of Bosaso, it is of our interest to fight you.

I hope the United Mechodamian States fully understand our position in this matter. We shall not bow down to ultimatums, we shall not retreat from our sovereign territories, but we are always open to reasonable diplomacy.

[Amyante]

"In their haste to shout Imperialism, we feel some Aphrike signatories are forgetting one minor detail."

Article IV - Membership: Aside from the undersigned nations, the stipulations for signing the Aphrike treaty are the following:

1. The population, government or geography of the nation is primarily African

1a. The geographic and political area commonly known as the Middle East is considered a sister to Africa and, following review by existing signees, may be considered "African"

2. Acknowledgment that the Aphrike treaty is held above and takes preference over all others

3. Must not hold overseas colonies

3a. Colonies is defined as any mass of land outside of Africa or the Middle East that is not considered part of the homeland OR not given the exact same rights as members of the homeland

"From what we have observed so far, the Somali people have definitely improved upon their standard of life, and they are being treated with the same rights as their Italian counterparts. Calling it a colony to be 'liberated' would signify calling the Aphrike signatories' many non-African lands colonies by those very same standards, not to mention justify Tahoe's actions concerning Ecuador, for example. Calling it differently just because Somalia happens to be located in Africa reeks of double standards."

"The comment we released concerning Ecuador applies to Somalia as well. If the population agrees with and supports their government, we see no reason why said government needs to be driven out with tar and feathers, especially when said nation fulfills all requirements to join the Aphrike Treaty as a full signatory. Also, allow us to remind you of another article so easily overlooked in these conflicts."

Article VII - Land Disputes: It should be noted that in areas of land disputes, diplomatic attempts must be attempted first before hostile measures can be taken. This includes non-signees of the treaty.

"Declarations of war and surrender terms fall under 'diplomatic attempts to solve disputes' now? Africa must be more unstable than we thought."

[Voodoo Nova]

Because Sicily and Sardinia are 1000% ethnically and culturally Italian.

"If the islands have not been in control by an Italian regime, then how can their culture be near Italian? Ethnically, being controlled by Africans longer than your nation has existed, they cannot be purely Italian."

[Amyante]

"If the islands have not been in control by an Italian regime, then how can their culture be near Italian? Ethnically, being controlled by Africans longer than your nation has existed, they cannot be purely Italian."

"Regional influences. The culture in the Zargathian provinces bordering Korea resembles the culture of Korea just as the culture of the PRC's Daqing resembles Zargathian culture, such developments pay little mind to national borders. Thus, even though Sicily and Sardinia are a part of Rebel Army, it is not unthinkable for similarities in culture and lifestyle to exist due to mutual exposure to one another's cultures."

Edited December 7, 2009 by Amyante

[Agostinho Neto]

"If the islands have not been in control by an Italian regime, then how can their culture be near Italian? Ethnically, being controlled by Africans longer than your nation has existed, they cannot be purely Italian."

Can you read or you need a brail device? You know a Kingdom of Italy existed since 1861 until the end of WW2 1945, and a Republic existed until 2005? Sicily and Sardinia ARE historically Italian islands, both geographically and culturally, and were part of the first Italian Republic (the one founded in 1946).

So they ARE Italian islands, as the whole population speaks Italian and follows Italian traditions. If you knew something about Italian history, you would know Italy and Sardinia were protagonist in the reunification of Italy in the middle 19th century. Rebel army is just an Arab government in Italian land, nothing more, there have been 0 documented changes or reforms in Italy and Sardinia, a sign that they think is just a pile of dirt in the middle of the sea.

You are just trying to find a way out saying they are not fully Italian (which shows your ASTONISHING ignorance on the history of Italy) to justify Rebel Army colonialism (remember "It's not colonialism when we do it!") but even the rocks on the alps know Sicily and Sardinia are 100% ethnically and culturally Italian islands.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Junio Borghese

[Voodoo Nova]

"Regional influences. The culture in the Zargathian provinces bordering Korea resembles the culture of Korea just as the culture of the PRC's Daqing resembles Zargathian culture, such developments pay little mind to national borders. Thus, even though Sicily and Sardinia are a part of Rebel Army, it is not unthinkable for similarities in culture and lifestyle to exist due to mutual exposure to one another's cultures."

"Exactly my point. It is impossible for those islands to be ethnically and culturally only Italian, especially with the African influence that has been in charge of those islands."

[Agostinho Neto]

"Exactly my point. It is impossible for those islands to be ethnically and culturally only Italian, especially with the African influence that has been in charge of those islands."

SICILIA AND SARDEGNA are Italian Islands, get over it. And read a geography book.

[Agostinho Neto]

"Exactly my point. It is impossible for those islands to be ethnically and culturally only Italian, especially with the African influence that has been in charge of those islands."

Are you saying that 150 years of Italian rule had less influence than a few months of Rebel Army rule?

[Voodoo Nova]

SICILIA AND SARDEGNA are Italian Islands, get over it. And read a geography book.

"Why haven't you cared about them until recently? It seem's I have touched on a sensitive issue, especially with someone that has a pretty soft bark."

[Voodoo Nova]

Can you read or you need a brail device? You know a Kingdom of Italy existed since 1861 until the end of WW2 1945, and a Republic existed until 2005? Sicily and Sardinia ARE historically Italian islands, both geographically and culturally, and were part of the first Italian Republic (the one founded in 1946).

So they ARE Italian islands, as the whole population speaks Italian and follows Italian traditions. If you knew something about Italian history, you would know Italy and Sardinia were protagonist in the reunification of Italy in the middle 19th century. Rebel army is just an Arab government in Italian land, nothing more, there have been 0 documented changes or reforms in Italy and Sardinia, a sign that they think is just a pile of dirt in the middle of the sea.

You are just trying to find a way out saying they are not fully Italian (which shows your ASTONISHING ignorance on the history of Italy) to justify Rebel Army colonialism (remember "It's not colonialism when we do it!") but even the rocks on the alps know Sicily and Sardinia are 100% ethnically and culturally Italian islands.

"Ah, petty insults. The signs one has lost an argument."

[Amyante]

"Exactly my point. It is impossible for those islands to be ethnically and culturally only Italian, especially with the African influence that has been in charge of those islands."

"We are not claiming the culture is solely Italian, just the majority of it. Allow us to elaborate."

Culture Anthropology. the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.

Thus, the culture of Sicily and Sardegna would be Italian with African influences, though more Arab influence would have come from trade across the Mediterranean than the relatively short time Rebel Army has held it thus far."

[Voodoo Nova]

"We are not claiming the culture is solely Italian, just the majority of it. Allow us to elaborate."

Thus, the culture of Sicily and Sardegna would be Italian with African influences, though more Arab influence would have come from trade across the Mediterranean than the relatively short time Rebel Army has held it thus far."

"Exactly my point, those islands are not 100% Italian."

[Agostinho Neto]

"Exactly my point, those islands are not 100% Italian."

But they were part of the Italian state and they have been part of it for 150 years and we, as the rightful successors of the first Italian Republic, we should control those islands and not Rebel Army.

We are not really interested in the debate weather Rebel Army should give them or not, we know they are imperialist and colonialist as much as we are (were), the point is: Why should we give the Mechodamians a territory they have nothing to do with because "European colonization of the african continent must be stopped", if Rebel Army controls islands who have nothing to do with their culture and their traditions?

How comes is colonialism only when Europeans do it?

[Voodoo Nova]

But they were part of the Italian state and they have been part of it for 150 years and we, as the rightful successors of the first Italian Republic, we should control those islands and not Rebel Army.

We are not really interested in the debate weather Rebel Army should give them or not, we know they are imperialist and colonialist as much as we are (were), the point is: Why should we give the Mechodamians a territory they have nothing to do with because "European colonization of the african continent must be stopped", if Rebel Army controls islands who have nothing to do with their culture and their traditions?

How comes is colonialism only when Europeans do it?

"How is it colonialism when the islands are well within Rebel Army's sphere of influence? You have also yet to address the question of, why do you care now all of the sudden?"

Edited December 7, 2009 by Voodoo Nova

[Botha]

In anticipation of an expected humanitarian crisis breaking out in Mogadishu from the collapse of Italian rule over Somalia, the following ships of the Transvaler Seemag have been deployed to the Somali Basin of the Western Indian Ocean to assist with the evacuation of all Italian citizens from our territorial enclave in Mogadishu:

- Aircraft carriers (Clemenceau class)

SAS-28 Nemhauser (5 x F-22 Raptor)

- Submarines (Type 209/1400 class)

SAS-15 Riaan van der Byl

SAS-16 Annetjie van Matteus

- Destroyers (Iroquois class)

SAS-06 Shaka

- Frigates (Valour class)

SAS-23 Sapper

SAS-30 Tahoe

- Cruisers (Ticonderoga class)

SAS-08 General Piet Cronje

SAS-09 Vereeniging

- Battleships (Iowa class)

SAS-21 Heft

- Landing ships

SAS-24 Cheeseton

SAS-31 Junio Borghese

[SpacingOutMan]

However, while you do not threaten Italica, your bedfellows do. While you continue to preach the evil's of Europe's past, a past that the Repubblica Italiana has no part of (another Aphrike Signatory made a statement recognizing the RI's fledgling nature), we would like to state an old European adage that sums up your involvement with this treaty quite handsomely,

"Tell me who is with you [your friends/partners] and I'll tell you what you are."

Fortunately we do not care about how we are generalized. It is a childish thing to do, so it is easily shrugged off.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Would you rather have the Somalians subvert to a Mad Dog'esque regime? Filled with fast cars, explosives and a mother's interference? I hope not, as we have full intentions of making that !@#$%^& pay for his crimes against our people.

No, we do not wish to subvert Somalia to a Mad Dog'esque regime, but at the same time it was made a NAPO protectorate for a reason. What was that reason? Simple. To allow the people to rise up and create their own mitigated government, not be ruled by a foreign entity. The UMS has no intentions of annexing the land as UMS territory, but rather an African protectorate to allow the expansion of African-borne dimensions.

If the Italians have half the resolve the Ecuadorians have, then they will repel you. They will fight you at the start on the beaches, up until the very end. And they will have our full support and sympathy every step of the way. This does not bode well for your reputation. Do not soil yourself any longer with these A-freaks (sp?).

Except we have no intentions to fight them. We have yet to invade, we have yet to attack. We sit here idly trying to figure out an end-game, herego why we have taken no action.

I hope the United Mechodamian States fully understand our position in this matter. We shall not bow down to ultimatums, we shall not retreat from our sovereign territories, but we are always open to reasonable diplomacy.

We completely understand the position of the Kingdom of Cochin and we will never hold ill-will toward you or your people. Your actions, as far as we are concerned, are not deemed colonialism by our standards and will not be deemed as such by our government.

But they were part of the Italian state and they have been part of it for 150 years and we, as the rightful successors of the first Italian Republic, we should control those islands and not Rebel Army.

Actually, it was the Carthaginians who controlled Sardinia first, who were even predated by the Phoenicians. So by the logic of who controlled what, that means that either Carthage or Rebel Army should control it because of its original successors.

We are not really interested in the debate weather Rebel Army should give them or not, we know they are imperialist and colonialist as much as we are (were), the point is: Why should we give the Mechodamians a territory they have nothing to do with because "European colonization of the african continent must be stopped", if Rebel Army controls islands who have nothing to do with their culture and their traditions?

The Rebel Army, for the last time, has nothing to do with the anti-colonial casus belli we hold against you. It is the UMS, and the UMS alone, who is declaring in the name of the Aprhike Treaty. The Rebel Army and Novak fight in the name of anti-fascist mitigation.

How comes is colonialism only when Europeans do it?

Because Somalia Italiana is the only remaining colony in Africa. It just so happens that it is European.

[Arathog]

== FASCIST REGIME OF ITALICA ==

Grand Council of Fascism - Department of Foreign Affairs

OOC:

I DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR ROLEPLAY ANY UNPROVOKED ARMED INVASION FOR NOW.

Edited December 8, 2009 by Arathog

[SpacingOutMan]

In anticipation of an expected humanitarian crisis breaking out in Mogadishu from the collapse of Italian rule over Somalia, the following ships of the Transvaler Seemag have been deployed to the Somali Basin of the Western Indian Ocean to assist with the evacuation of all Italian citizens from our territorial enclave in Mogadishu:

[OOC: Is this assumed to be public or private? The following post is under the assumption it was public]

We will allow Transvaal ships to evacuate whomever they need to out of Mogadishu. However, should any military action be taken against UMS ships, it goes without saying a state of war will exist between our nations. No UMS ship, under expressed authority of the Lord Prefect, will take any military action against Transvaal and humanitarian ships and vessels.

[Voodoo Nova]

== FASCIST REGIME OF ITALICA ==

Grand Council of Fascism - Department of Foreign Affairs

OOC:

I DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR ROLEPLAY ANY UNPROVOKED ARMED INVASION FOR NOW.

OOC: We haven't started the invasion yet. Also, this is provoked, you're fascists IC.

Edited December 7, 2009 by Voodoo Nova

[Arathog]

== FASCIST REGIME OF ITALICA ==

Grand Council of Fascism - Department of Foreign Affairs

OCC:

ok, now that i have your attention you can tell me....why all of this? I'm very confused...what do you want? which nations are with you? which against you? I neede a summary

Edited December 7, 2009 by Arathog

[Voodoo Nova]

== FASCIST REGIME OF ITALICA ==

Grand Council of Fascism - Department of Foreign Affairs

OCC:

ok, now i have your attention you can tell me....why all of this? I'm very confused...what do you want? which nations are with you? which against you?

OOC: ICly, you're facists. ICly, Novak and Rebel Army hates fascists, especially in their backyard. Already stated, unconditional surrender IC. Right now, it's RA & Novak versus you. That's the basic laymens terms of the situation.