African Mobalizations

[Botha]

After having a quick look at the map of the world, it is pretty obvious that Rebel Army is the worst violator of being a colonial power:

-Ecuador

-Gabon

-Sicily

-Sardinia

-Corsica

-Balearic Islands

-Korea

-plus a whole host of protectorates

As long as Rebel Army is a signatory to this Aphrike Treaty, then the basis for the treaty are purely a sham.

And perhaps Transvaal has been out of link with Europe, but it seems time from time again Europe degrades itself in constant war after war and we will not tolerate European influence from having a steadfast hold on our continent.

Perhaps Transvaal has no issues with European involvement on the African continent when the only other alternatives are 1) lawless, unstable anarchist states, like what has happened time and time again in Somalia, or 2) further consolidation and expansion of territory under the rule of mega-states like UMS or Rebel Army.

Who gave you or the Aphrike Treaty the god-given right to determine what is 'good' for Africa and what is not? As an African power myself, I recall no consultation about this.

[loannes]

There is no veiled threat. We wish RA to cease holding a colony in Equador. If you want to start a war over that, it will be on you.

"Then why say you expect support for

when we move to dismantle foreign influence from South America

hm?"

[Nagato the Great]

No one gave UMS such a right. But the majority of Africa seems to believe that ridding Africa of foreign imperialism would do it good.

[Lavo]

There is no veiled threat. We wish RA to cease holding a colony in Equador. If you want to start a war over that, it will be on you.

We won't start a war over it. But if it was not a threat, then please explain the following comment:

The Aphrike Treaty is admirable for wishing to dismantle foreign influence from Africa, and so we fully expect their support when we move to dismantle foreign influence from South America.

Saying you will "move to dismantle foreign influence" implies you will be taking action of some sort. If this is false, we apologize, but that is the impression we are getting. Add to that tensions and past nuclear warfare between our nations, and we are extremely weary of you.

[Botha]

No one gave UMS such a right. But the majority of Africa seems to believe that ridding Africa of foreign imperialism would do it good.

The irony is that Italian Somalia has more native autonomy and civil authority than found in many African states. After all, Junio Borghese appointed Siad Barre as its governor. An African governor of a dependency is unheard (!) of in all my years as an African power, except perhaps in regards to the Franzharians (who had an odd legacy in Africa as a quasi-EuroAfrican power)

[Nagato the Great]

Regardless, it is not a sovereign, African nation. If you put a man from the PRC, say, as a governor of a Tahoe province, it does not become a North American nation. Italian Somalia remains just that: Italian.

[SpacingOutMan]

Perhaps Transvaal has no issues with European involvement on the African continent when the only other alternatives are 1) lawless, unstable anarchist states, like what has happened time and time again in Somalia, or 2) further consolidation and expansion of territory under the rule of mega-states like UMS or Rebel Army.

The region was perfectly suitable under NAPO protectorate-ship. And now it lies in European hands. The position has been made clear.

Who gave you or the Aphrike Treaty the god-given right to determine what is 'good' for Africa and what is not? As an African power myself, I recall no consultation about this. [/color]

We require no consultation because we rely on vigilance to guide us. Perhaps Transvaal may disagree, but what is 'good' for Africa isn't sitting around and letting it be consumed by foreign forces that do not have the best interests for Africa at heart. We do not see Somalia Italiana has being a state that purposefully aims to destroy Africa, but it is a colony that indirectly promotes European ideals. It doesn't matter who was appointed as governor or who that governor is. The fact of the matter is that it is a nation-state controlled as a commonwealth of the Italian Republic.

Our vigilance guides us through the teeming seas of apathy that has caused this continent to succumb to its knees. When you have nations who believe they can travel across vast oceans and instill their will on a continent their citizens have no stake in, we cannot sit idle while we watch our continent be plagued by abnormal influences.

Though arrogant it may seem, we do not claim to know what is best for Africa, but we do have a very good idea and are allowing vigilance to guide us. Note the phrase: vigilance guides us. It has been eluded to three times, and should be a clear sign how we aim to operate in this anti-colonial venture.

[HHAYD]

Regardless, it is not a sovereign, African nation. If you put a man from the PRC, say, as a governor of a Tahoe province, it does not become a North American nation. Italian Somalia remains just that: Italian.

Hey, tell that to Rebel Army! They got colonies or protectorates all over Planet Bob.

[Nagato the Great]

Hey, tell that to Rebel Army! They got colonies or protectorates all over Planet Bob.

Rebel Army is not the point of this. The point of this is ridding Africa of the baneful influence of Europe. Europe, time and time again, engulfs itself in war. We do not wish to become part of Europe's petty warmongering.

[HHAYD]

Rebel Army is not the point of this. The point of this is ridding Africa of the baneful influence of Europe. Europe, time and time again, engulfs itself in war. We do not wish to become part of Europe's petty warmongering.

Tell me a time when a war in Europe was expanded into Africa, excluding African nations that were involved in it.

And again, why don't you tell RV to get their hands off from other continents? Or is it because you feel African nations are superior to other nations in different continents and are exempt from their own words?

After having a quick look at the map of the world, it is pretty obvious that Rebel Army is the worst violator of being a colonial power:

-Ecuador

-Gabon

-Sicily

-Sardinia

-Corsica

-Balearic Islands

-Korea

-plus a whole host of protectorates

[Zoot Zoot]

"Mandalore is ignoring the point REPEATIDLY

RA is exactly the bloody point. they own land from one corner of the planet to the next, and suddenly africa and the rest of the world is up in arms over two of the most peaceful Nations on the planet.

one for simply being European and owning land there and the other for being facist."

Chairman Wesker, right after sending this message out, could not beleive the sheer idiocy of Mandalore on this topic, normally the voice of reason aswell he thought to himself.

Edited December 6, 2009 by Zoot Zoot

[Nagato the Great]

Tell me a time when a war in Europe was expanded into Africa, excluding African nations that were involved in it.

And again, why don't you tell RV to get their hands off from other continents? Or is it because you feel African nations are superior to other nations in different continents and are exempt from their own words?

If someone is loading a gun pointed to your head, do you allow him to load it and fire, or do you do something before he can fire? We will not sit and wait until a war does expand to Africa.

And again, I do not defend RA. I am not a spokesman for the Aphrike treaty; Mandalore is not even a signatory.

[Nagato the Great]

"Mandalore is ignoring the point REPEATIDLY

RA is exactly the bloody point. they own land from one corner of the planet to the next, and suddenly africa and the rest of the world is up in arms over two of the most peaceful Nations on the planet.

one for simply being European and owning land there and the other for being facist."

Chairman Wesker, right after sending this message out, could not beleive the sheer idiocy of Mandalore on this topic, normally the voice of reason aswell he thought to himself.

Again, we do not speak for RA. We speak for the good of Africa. Ask the RA about that, we don't speak for them.

[Zoot Zoot]

And the Umbrella Corporation can see this, but you are getting involved in a conflict you have no obligation to get involved with, picking fights with bigger nations, VASTLY bigger nations that yourself. Your comments are hypocrosy in its very defination, for each comment you seemt o make in regards to foreign intervention etc, and condemn the Americas for it... RA is doing the same thing, but you dont send comments to them. no do you hell because they share a border with you.

Edited December 6, 2009 by Zoot Zoot

[Nagato the Great]

And the Umbrella Corporation can see this, but you are getting involved in a conflict you have no obligation to get involved with, picking fights with bigger nations, VASTLY bigger nations that yourself. Your comments are hypocrosy in its very defination, for each comment you seemt o make in regards to foreign intervention etc, and condemn the Americas for it... RA is doing the same thing, but you dont send comments to them. no do you hell because they share a border with you.

This conflict involves all Africa. Imperialism has plagued Africa too long. Stop bringing the RA into it, we are for the last time not their spokespeople.

OOC: I didn't quite understand the last sentence...a typo maybe?

[HHAYD]

This conflict involves all Africa. Imperialism has plagued Africa too long. Stop bringing the RA into it, we are for the last time not their spokespeople.

OOC: I didn't quite understand the last sentence...a typo maybe?

Wanna know something? THE ENTIRE PLANET HAS BEEN PLAGUED WITH IMPERIALISM TOO LONG! RA is supporting imperialism right now by holding onto their vast colonies and protectorates in other continents, and yet is trying to demolish imperialism at the same time.

Which is it for RA? Eat the cake or save it? You can't have both.

[Zoot Zoot]

This conflict involves all Africa. Imperialism has plagued Africa too long. Stop bringing the RA into it, we are for the last time not their spokespeople.

OOC: I didn't quite understand the last sentence...a typo maybe?

OOC, you condemned the americas for foreign intervention etc.

and yet RA do the same thing.

they own land on every continant.

Europe africa america asia.

that is IMPERIALISM.

and each time you make a comment aimed at the americas, you dont make one aimed at RA who in actuality, have more land as a result of it.

and the last sentance meant, you wont say anything agianst them because they share the northern border with you.

[Sargun II]

"The Aphrike Treaty is for the good of Africa, not for the good of the world. We are not world police, we are here to keep Africa in safe and stable hands - in African hands. Are we hypocrites for wanting what is best for Africa but not what best for the world? If so, then you are all hypocrites. There is no way to have freedom for one continent without infringing on the rights of other continents to take advantage of it. The amount of protest that we are ridding Africa of totalitarian, racist dictatorships and European colonisation is astounding and duly noted.

If you wish to pick a bone with a country, do it on a private scale. This is about purging Africa of totalitarian, racist dictatorships and European colonisation, not about the land ownership of any other country. We did not protest when the time was right but we are protesting now and we are protesting with force - Africa is no longer the play child of the rest of the world. Europe, Asia, and the Americas are no longer tolerated to take advantage of Africans.

Just as America is for Americans, Africa is for Africans. Stay out or meet our guns."

[Nagato the Great]

This is not about RA. And we do not defend them at all. We couldn't care less that they share a border with us.

[Manetheren]

Just as America is for Americans, Africa is for Africans. Stay out or meet our guns."

We support this statement fully and await Carthages declaration of support for the peaceful withdrawl of Rebel Army from the Americas.

[HHAYD]

"The Aphrike Treaty is for the good of Africa, not for the good of the world. We are not world police, we are here to keep Africa in safe and stable hands - in African hands. Are we hypocrites for wanting what is best for Africa but not what best for the world? If so, then you are all hypocrites. There is no way to have freedom for one continent without infringing on the rights of other continents to take advantage of it. The amount of protest that we are ridding Africa of totalitarian, racist dictatorships and European colonisation is astounding and duly noted.

If you wish to pick a bone with a country, do it on a private scale. This is about purging Africa of totalitarian, racist dictatorships and European colonisation, not about the land ownership of any other country. We did not protest when the time was right but we are protesting now and we are protesting with force - Africa is no longer the play child of the rest of the world. Europe, Asia, and the Americas are no longer tolerated to take advantage of Africans.

Just as America is for Americans, Africa is for Africans. Stay out or meet our guns."

BS. Rebel Army has a colony down in South America, including much of other continents, and you are saying that each continents are only to be occupied by native nations? Ironic.

Americas is no longer the play child of the rest of the world either, including other continents. You either support colonization and allow them on Africa, or you strike against it any remove any of your OWN colonization in other continents.

Which is it?

We support this statement fully and await Carthages declaration of support for the peaceful withdrawl of Rebel Army from the Americas.

We echo this statement.

Edited December 6, 2009 by HHAYD

[Sargun II]

We support this statement fully and await Carthages declaration of support for the peaceful withdrawl of Rebel Army from the Americas.

"Carthage has already declared support for a peaceful withdrawal of Rebel Army from the Americas, but we will not pressure them further than that - any penalties to Rebel Army is a penalty to Africa. Just in case you missed it, here it is again - Carthage calls for the peaceful withdrawal of Rebel Army from the Americas."

BS. Rebel Army has a colony down in South America, including much of other continents, and you are saying that each continents are only to be occupied by native nations? Ironic.

Americas is no longer the play child of the rest of the world either, including other continents. You either support colonization and allow them on Africa, or you strike against it any remove any of your OWN colonization in other continents.

Which is it?

"We do not support African colonisation of other continents - but, as stated above, retribution to Africans for African colonisation is only a harm to Africa."

Edited December 6, 2009 by Sargun

[Amyante]

We support this statement fully and await Carthages declaration of support for the peaceful withdrawl of Rebel Army from the Americas.

"Zargathia is watching this discussion with interest, and noting the similarities to a scenario that was brought up at the announcement of this treaty. That is all."

[Nagato the Great]

The Americas have never been a playchild of the world, due to supergiants such as Tahoe and Viniland being ridiculously paranoid of colonizing in that area.

[king of cochin]

The Kingdom of Cochin having observed and monitored the diplomatic chatter going across the world released this statement.

"Who gave Aphrike Treaty signatories the right to dictate matters in Africa? You are only a power bloc attempting to wrestle influence and land in Africa from more peaceful nations. The nations of UMS, RA, Libya, Carthage and Novak do not speak for the majority of African nations including Transvaal, Arctica, Serca, Nation of Nod, Italica, Mandalore and Somalia Italiana. So quite your over moralistic argument of doing something for the good of Africa, because that argument is inherently hollow - a shady bloc like yours are hypocrites of the worst order.

Having observed the vigorous arguments and sycophancy of Mandalore towards Aphrike Treaty signatories and Rebel Army in particular, the Kingdom of Cochin ceases all diplomatic recognition of the said entity.

Just as Aphrike Treaty signatories consider their xenophobic ideologies to high regard, so do we consider our sovereignty at very high regard. Impede us on that, and we shall give you the war that you crave.

There are times when nations have to stand together against greater evil. The world today sees the greater evil in existence - Aphrike Treaty and its dishonorable signatories."