Feanor Noldorin Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 You make a lot of sense. We backed down yet somehow ended up with tech we didn't deserve. Tech you didn't deserve. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrux Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 You make a lot of sense. We backed down yet somehow ended up with tech we didn't deserve.Good thing people like this were not in on negotiations and a reasonable peace was achieved. should i touch this one or let the fire die down... hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmoxe Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 I'm glad this was resolved — I wasn't that hopeful this time yesterday. I would also like to commend all those who made honest efforts to achieve this peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEd Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 I'm glad this was resolved — I wasn't that hopeful this time yesterday. I would also like to commend all those who made honest efforts to achieve this peace. Interesting...It seems Kronos/STA were prety determined to go at it. Good Job to the mediators...and to those who wanted a WAR, I guess you have to wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrSonny Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) You make a lot of sense. We backed down yet somehow ended up with tech we didn't deserve.Good thing people like this were not in on negotiations and a reasonable peace was achieved. Oh love the insults buddy And yes I call sta not going for the full 600 tech backing down. As far as we are all concerned the only reason 300 was sent was because of a miscommunication. Peace was declared, please do not seek to re-ignite the ill-will that was once found between yourselves and kronos. This is a time to forget the past, and all perceived wrongs on BOTH parties, and look towards a more prosperous future. A Jones I have a lot of respect for your change of heart but I must correct you here. Kronos did not do anything wrong. But I do agree let's forget the past. edit: forget forgot same diff Edited November 24, 2009 by mrSonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) I'm glad this was resolved — I wasn't that hopeful this time yesterday. I would also like to commend all those who made honest efforts to achieve this peace. That's where we at STA are confused. Until the meeting we had last night, we were under the impression that the issue had been resolved. No one had come to us and said there was a problem. A member of TOP's government came to us and offered a resolution, and we accepted it. Then, all of a sudden, I spent the day yesterday fielding queries from alliances about how TOP is mobilizing and were posting that they expected to go to war on our allies forums, and getting offers from 3 separate alliances to pay the 300 tech if TOP wouldn't, just to avoid war. What IS that? Why in the world were numerous and unrelated alliances informed that there was a problem before we were? We were just going about our merry business of rationing the twinkies when we start getting bombarded with messages from completely unrelated parties, who magically knew exactly what was going to transpire in a meeting that was to take place 5 hours later. All other drama related to this issue aside, that's uncool. Edited November 24, 2009 by pezstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halicore Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 I'm pleased to see this resolved. Having known Heracles for a long time before this all I can say is how dissapointing his actions are. o/ STA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 That's where we at STA are confused. Until the meeting we had last night, we were under the impression that the issue had been resolved. No one had come to us and said there was a problem. A member of TOP's government came to us and offered a resolution, and we accepted it. Then, all of a sudden, I spent the day yesterday fielding queries from alliances about how TOP is mobilizing and were posting that they expected to go to war on our allies forums, and getting offers from 3 separate alliances to pay the 300 tech if TOP wouldn't, just to avoid war.What IS that? Why in the world were numerous and unrelated alliances informed that there was a problem before we were? We were just going about our merry business of rationing the twinkies when we start get bombarded with messages from completely unrelated parties, who magically knew exactly what was going to transpire in a meeting that was to take place 5 hours later. All other drama related to this issue aside, that's uncool. Regarding the bolded, wasn't your issue with Kronos? Not TOP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Regarding the bolded, wasn't your issue with Kronos? Not TOP? Yes! They were. We were as surprised as anyone when a member of TOP's government approached us, offering to mediate a resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Regarding the bolded, wasn't your issue with Kronos? Not TOP? It used to be, yes. We were approached, not the other way around. We were led to believe that they were representing their allies and were able to offer a resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrSonny Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Yes! They were. We were as surprised as anyone when a member of TOP's government approached us, offering to mediate a resolution. It used to be, yes.We were approached, not the other way around. We were led to believe that they were representing their allies and were able to offer a resolution. And you both never thought of contacting Kronos about them? Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Yes! They were. We were as surprised as anyone when a member of TOP's government approached us, offering to mediate a resolution. It used to be, yes.We were approached, not the other way around. We were led to believe that they were representing their allies and were able to offer a resolution. Perhaps you should request Tyga update the OP accordingly to more accurately reflect how the situation occured? My understanding is that Kronos didn't agree to pay the 300 tech until after it was already sent by an external party. Feel free to correct that if it's wrong, but the OP makes it look like it happened in the other order, which is a disservice to honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 And you both never thought of contacting Kronos about them? Wow Why would we? Kronos and TOP are close allies. Why would we assume that a close ally would be anything other than above the board when offering to broker a resolution on behalf of their friend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Why would we? Kronos and TOP are close allies. Why would we assume that a close ally would be anything other than above the board when offering to broker a resolution on behalf of their friend? Because your issue was with Kronos, not TOP, therefore it makes a lot of sense to not deal with other parties directly and entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) Why would we? Kronos and TOP are close allies. Why would we assume that a close ally would be anything other than above the board when offering to broker a resolution on behalf of their friend? That's a fair assumption to make, actually. That it would be in good faith. Because your issue was with Kronos, not TOP, therefore it makes a lot of sense to not deal with other parties directly and entirely. So essentially, you're saying that Tyga and STA should have made the assumption that TOP was going behind Kronos' back to begin with? Edited November 24, 2009 by Chron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOLtex Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Yes! They were. We were as surprised as anyone when a member of TOP's government approached us, offering to mediate a resolution. He wasn't a member of TOP gov, just a very well known name. It was our (TOP) own fault that this happened, misinterpretations during our intra-ally talks and we all ended up at that stage. I don't think anyone here is trying to refute that, and I could certainly understand the confusion on STA's end. That's why everyone just agreed to drop it in the end, and STA got 300 free tech for the inconvenience. Not really a bad deal if you ask me. I'm not really sure why we're bothering to go over what is now ancient history, what's done is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Because your issue was with Kronos, not TOP, therefore it makes a lot of sense to not deal with other parties directly and entirely. Might I suggest you take that issue up with TOP then? They're the ones who approached us, claiming to have the authority to broker this deal. It was very clear that they were also talking to Kronos simultaneously. If they didn't have the authority to speak to us, it was Kronos who would have known that, not STA, and they should have sent us a query, since they knew TOP was speaking with us at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 He wasn't a member of TOP gov, just a very well known name. It was our (TOP) own fault that this happened, misinterpretations during our intra-ally talks and we all ended up at that stage. I don't think anyone here is trying to refute that, and I could certainly understand the confusion on STA's end. That's why everyone just agreed to drop it in the end, and STA got 300 free tech for the inconvenience. Not really a bad deal if you ask me. I'm not really sure why we're bothering to go over what is now ancient history, what's done is done. Kissgoodbye is most definitely a member of TOP's government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOLtex Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Kissgoodbye is most definitely a member of TOP's government. Thought you were speaking of someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Thought you were speaking of someone else. We were speaking with KGB and Crymson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOLtex Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) We were speaking with KGB and Crymson. Indeed. This has all already been covered in the OP (and last night). The sent tech was a misinterpretation on our part, and everyone walked away peacefully. We're going in circles now, so I'll leave y'all to your devices. Edited November 24, 2009 by LOLtex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Tech you didn't deserve. Well said. I think he was just repeating what the other guy said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrSonny Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Might I suggest you take that issue up with TOP then? They're the ones who approached us, claiming to have the authority to broker this deal. It was very clear that they were also talking to Kronos simultaneously. If they didn't have the authority to speak to us, it was Kronos who would have known that, not STA, and they should have sent us a query, since they knew TOP was speaking with us at the time. Might I suggest you get into a priv channel with your gov and add a clause to your charter where it requires you to go to the AA that you actually have a problem with? Its not acceptable that you did not even discuss the "accepted" terms with the AA that you actually had a confrontation with. Yes, small part of this goes onto top and kronos for miscommunication. But. The good part falls on to STA for not using common sense about discussing terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Might I suggest you get into a priv channel with your gov and add a clause to your charter where it requires you to go to the AA that you actually have a problem with? Its not acceptable that you did not even discuss the "accepted" terms with the AA that you actually had a confrontation with. Yes, small part of this goes onto top and kronos for miscommunication. But. The good part falls on to STA for not using common sense about discussing terms. Dude, I am on your team and all, but that does not really make sense. Someone comes to you and says they have authority to fix stuff, you generally do not check their documentation first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lightning Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 That's where we at STA are confused. Until the meeting we had last night, we were under the impression that the issue had been resolved. No one had come to us and said there was a problem. A member of TOP's government came to us and offered a resolution, and we accepted it. Then, all of a sudden, I spent the day yesterday fielding queries from alliances about how TOP is mobilizing and were posting that they expected to go to war on our allies forums, and getting offers from 3 separate alliances to pay the 300 tech if TOP wouldn't, just to avoid war.What IS that? Why in the world were numerous and unrelated alliances informed that there was a problem before we were? We were just going about our merry business of rationing the twinkies when we start getting bombarded with messages from completely unrelated parties, who magically knew exactly what was going to transpire in a meeting that was to take place 5 hours later. All other drama related to this issue aside, that's uncool. It's a good thing we had that meeting last night where all this confusion was settled then, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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