King Kevz Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Aww shucks that brings tears to my eyes! OOC: Well I was just telling the truth . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 There was a long period the Bavarians did not have an 'anti-blockade' and in this period he did continue rp'ing economic growth. Your ships would have been sunk trying to cross it in that period without receiving permission from Croatian Naval Command. The effectiveness will still be pressent as a company in it's right mind would not enter a conflict zone. Companies don't exist in the Dominion, its all publicly owned bureaucracy so I suppose the ships would have done as they were ordered to do. Had you actually RP'd the sinking of my ships I would have sent my own navy to escort my ships through your blockade. That isn't even the main matter at hand, the thing being argued is whether or not his use of botha mode in this case was legitimate. One solution could be you just don't OOC recognize his boost in the economy, and he can continue to RP the boost if he feels like it. That basically goes for anyone's RP short of an invasion people can basically just refuse to RP something if they don't feel like it. This has been a longstanding policy in CNRP, take any major world effecting event, nuclear winter, plagues, and even the theoretical stuff mentioned like space elevator falling, asteroids hitting the earth; RPers have always gotten a choice as to whether or not they have to RP it. Why should your blockade be any different. The only thing which gets around this rule is actual war as refusing to recognize it outside of botha mode results in default victory for the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 The thing is that it comes down to OOC feelings I believe. Botha is more well known and well liked and so no one would attempt to do anything. Not to mention the only reason this is happening at all is because what Borghese is doing is not what the "masters of Europe" want. Actually, it isn't even a majority of Europe that is blockading. It is more like Cent and a few others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Actually, it isn't even a majority of Europe that is blockading. It is more like Cent and a few others. I think it's actually about an even division, if you discount the neutral nations. @iamthey: the problem with that reasoning is that most people are to some extent reasonable about RP'ing at least some effects even in those situations. this is not the case here. he's not even recognizing that legitimately NOTHING COULD BE GETTING IN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agostinho Neto Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Like i said, if my economy was crumbling - i would rp the blockade, but my economy is not fallin apart.. the charts showed it is slowly growing, so i roleplay the blockade is not effective. Why should i roleplay something against my ingame stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Like i said, if my economy was crumbling - i would rp the blockade, but my economy is not fallin apart.. the charts showed it is slowly growing, so i roleplay the blockade is not effective. Why should i roleplay something against my ingame stats? Because nations strength isn't an effective standard for economic growth. When one suddenly produces a few thousand soldiers my strength increases but economically one is worse off due to bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Like i said, if my economy was crumbling - i would rp the blockade, but my economy is not fallin apart.. the charts showed it is slowly growing, so i roleplay the blockade is not effective. Why should i roleplay something against my ingame stats? Because nations strength isn't an effective standard for economic growth. When one suddenly produces a few thousand soldiers my strength increases but economically one is worse off due to bills. This...and because you choose to RP this in CNRP! Interact with the community, play by community rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 This...and because you choose to RP this in CNRP!Interact with the community, play by community rules. To play devil's advocate, would you hold Botha to the same standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Alright, I'm sure it's been said, but I think Botha mode should be aloud, but you should really have to stay out of the international aspects and stay away from conflict if you're going to do it. That should probably be something the GM's have to monitor, another reason why I think we need a third GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Alright, I'm sure it's been said, but I think Botha mode should be aloud, but you should really have to stay out of the international aspects and stay away from conflict if you're going to do it. That should probably be something the GM's have to monitor, another reason why I think we need a third GM Well thats just the thing, junio wasn't interacting in international politics; the present matters are over internally RP'd moves within his own nation. In fact he has had literally no international interaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 To play devil's advocate, would you hold Botha to the same standard? Yes. The one time he got caught in an RP conflict that wasn't planned, he went along with it. He knows where to draw the line, so he really already plays to that standard. Well thats just the thing, junio wasn't interacting in international politics; the present matters are over internally RP'd moves within his own nation. In fact he has had literally no international interaction. Correction. He has interracted with Transvaal, and when he went into Botha Mode, it was, to all appearances, to get out of a conflict with the Roman Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Yes. The one time he got caught in an RP conflict that wasn't planned, he went along with it. He knows where to draw the line, so he really already plays to that standard.Correction. He has interracted with Transvaal, and when he went into Botha Mode, it was, to all appearances, to get out of a conflict with the Roman Empire. He has interacted with Transvaal because he has an IG trade with Transvaal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 He has interacted with Transvaal because he has an IG trade with Transvaal. yes. But the point is, he has interacted IC-wise with others. He does that every time he replies even indirectly to another CNRPer's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabioviejo Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 So if Junio doesn't interact with the world around him. Does he even exist in the world we exist in? Or could we just claim Italy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 So if Junio doesn't interact with the world around him. Does he even exist in the world we exist in?Or could we just claim Italy? And therein lies the crux of the whole issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachurin Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Just out of curiosity, can someone explain what Botha Mode is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Just out of curiosity, can someone explain what Botha Mode is? It's pretty much "Game-Related RP" inside of our universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Just out of curiosity, can someone explain what Botha Mode is? Basically, it means the player refuses to RP major outside events (like wars or economic sanctions) unless they happen IG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerreyRough Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 So there lies the heart od the issue: game-related RP in a universe with the "bare bones" of in-game stats and events. Thus, there must be a ruling on this that dictates that you still must interact with others of Planet Bob, in one way or another; otherwise, how can you prove you exist on this Planet Bob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Thus, there must be a ruling on this that dictates that you still must interact with others of Planet Bob, in one way or another; otherwise, how can you prove you exist on this Planet Bob? I cannot speak for others in Bothamode (I'm only aware of myself and Borghese doing so) but I do interact with the rest of Planet Bob. There are just some self-imposed restrictions I have to stick to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I cannot speak for others in Bothamode (I'm only aware of myself and Borghese doing so) but I do interact with the rest of Planet Bob. There are just some self-imposed restrictions I have to stick to. On yourself. Not on others. What Junio is doing is basically saying "lol blockade my economy go up nao." and not interacting with the communtiy as the community has dictated. You mostly stay in your corner of Bob and do "Internal" topics and RPs. Junio's RPs have caused quite a stir in Europe and now he's ignoring what they're doing completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) On yourself. Not on others. What Junio is doing is basically saying "lol blockade my economy go up nao." and not interacting with the communtiy as the community has dictated. You mostly stay in your corner of Bob and do "Internal" topics and RPs. Junio's RPs have caused quite a stir in Europe and now he's ignoring what they're doing completely. Wasnt the Rp that caused this 'stir' an internal RP? Edited August 3, 2009 by Executive Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Wasnt the Rp that caused this 'stir' an internal RP? That was my understanding. However I would hope that he is smart enough as an RPer that any internal issues that do rile up the international community (and I have been guilty of my share of riling LOL) would be played out appropriately and not simply ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 That was my understanding. However I would hope that he is smart enough as an RPer that any internal issues that do rile up the international community (and I have been guilty of my share of riling LOL) would be played out appropriately and not simply ignored. Sadly, he did. People threatened to go to war with him and he completely ignored them and continued slaughtering his people. It was only when Lynneth sent observers that he actually communicated somewhat with the community, but even then, his people were like "oh blockade lolz whatever we r happy" then when Vince made this thread then he suddenly changed position and actually communicated. Amazing what a thread calling a person out does to people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Sadly, he did. People threatened to go to war with him and he completely ignored them and continued slaughtering his people. It was only when Lynneth sent observers that he actually communicated somewhat with the community, but even then, his people were like "oh blockade lolz whatever we r happy" then when Vince made this thread then he suddenly changed position and actually communicated. Amazing what a thread calling a person out does to people. Amazing is one way of putting it... How did he actually change his position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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