Starfox101 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 This is how it works:You were unaligned at the time, you were in his range, he raided you. While I do not actually support tech raids nor do I support his "raiding technique", as per our rules on tech raiding (and you'll probably find many other alliances have the same rules) he was not violating them, in this case at least. You don't use CM's and aircraft in raids. He clearly had a bone to pick with, as he hit another Vox brother. Raiders only use ground battles. And for the record, stating that my alliance needs to "learn a lesson" because a tech raider did something stupid will not make me think very highly of you. Oh no. That sounds like something I really wouldn't want, would I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Wilson Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Cry for attention...blah, blah, blah. Over reaction much? I support MFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurion Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Looks like everyone is bored. Since everyone else is declaring, I'll shamelessly trend-whore and say I support CoJ, if for no other reason than not doing it could well bring their deity's wrath down upon all our heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicman657 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 All those nice warm feelings I just had about MFO being great diplomats that fix problems from reading about CoJ went straight out the window when I saw they support that guy killing Starfox for some kind of vendetta. You are only as good as the company you keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) If every tech raid mishap was dealt with here, they'd have to create a new subforum. These things are very routine.-Bama At the risk of sounding as vain as I am, not every alliance has me in it. The idea that we must fear the onslaught of (what you call) useless/meaningless communications simply because I've done it tonight is silly. More silly is the idea that what matters to CoJ and MFO is not worthy of public discourse. I am rather glad that there is debate beyond the face-value content going on because I took our plight public. There are more alliances and people on Bob than just the ones you're allied to or at war with, and there are more things going on than just those that directly concern or even just interest you. This communication area is for us all; I invoke the words of the Mod Atlas, whose adoration in my heart is second only to Justitia: . . . an alliance is an alliance even though it's small, and has the right to announce their happenings . . . Edited July 17, 2009 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I've got to be honest, just about the only people showing class in this topic are Schat and Johnny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Policies do not confer sovereign rights.Irrelevant. There may very well be good people in MFO. Good people that sit on their hands while their alliance mates engage in robbery. Except that it's not similar to it at all. Believing something is right does not mean you are free to do it. If what you are doing is in fact wrong, no amount of believing is going to change that. One in common sense, it would seem. Well what is right and wrong as far as raids are concerned is clearly a matter of ones own opinion on ethics isn't it. I do not agree with tech raiding, and our policy may change in the future, but for the time being, we allow tech raids. I am sorry if you think this is wrong and unjust, but evidently that is where our alliances differ. You don't use CM's and aircraft in raids. He clearly had a bone to pick with, as he hit another Vox brother. Raiders only use ground battles. Yes I am aware of this, the fact that he attacked Schatt and yourself does strike me as strange, as stated before, we will be taking this into consideration when we are dealing with him on this matter. If he himself has a problem with you two, then that is his problem with you. His individual problem, the majority of MFO however do no hold any grudges or vendettas against ex-Vox members. We can't do anything about his personal views. I would be alot more sympathetic to your complaints if you had approached me in a more diplomatic and courteous manner, I am aware that you are angered by this grave injustice, but Schattenmann has been nothing but courteous and polite throughout why couldn't you? All those nice warm feelings I just had about MFO being great diplomats that fix problems from reading about CoJ went straight out the window when I saw they support that guy killing Starfox for some kind of vendetta.You are only as good as the company you keep. Sorry, vendetta? Where was anything about a vendetta mentioned? And where did we support him because of this "vendetta" Edited July 17, 2009 by Johnny Apocalypse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Well what is right and wrong as far as raids are concerned is clearly a matter of ones own opinion on ethics isn't it. Yes I am aware of this, the fact that he attacked Schatt and yourself does strike me as strange, as stated before, we will be taking this into consideration when we are dealing with him on this matter. If he himself has a problem with you two, then that is his problem with you. His individual problem, the majority of MFO however do no hold any grudges or vendettas against ex-Vox members. We can't do anything about his personal views. I would be alot more sympathetic to your complaints if you had approached me in a more diplomatic and courteous manner, I am aware that you are angered by this grave injustice, but Schattenmann has been nothing but courteous and polite throughout why couldn't you? Sorry, vendetta? Where was anything about a vendetta mentioned? And where did we support him because of this "vendetta" I now support MFO and CoJ in this event. Johnny, I am only sad I have never had the pleasure of talking with you. Hopefully we can remedy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggarz Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I now support MFO and CoJ in this event. Johnny, I am only sad I have never had the pleasure of talking with you. Hopefully we can remedy that. You copied us!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 You copied us!!!! How could I not? You guys are Nemesis. You realize what that means right? Also, Spider Jerusalem is my friend. Well, maybe. We had a falling out a bit ago, but I'm clean now I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggarz Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 lol he has been falling out and back in with everyone lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 If every time an alliance were tech raided by some ignorant newb, this forum would be nothing but threads like this for the first 5 pages.This is simply the case of a small alliance vying for "airtime" with the big boys by making a spectacle of a very common mistake. A mistake that would have undoubtedly been addressed in a satisfactory manner, whether it was discussed privately or in public. Let's just hope CoJ grows enough that some members make mistakes down the road, and we can make sure to parade around the forums shouting about those mistakes. If every tech raid mishap was dealt with here, they'd have to create a new subforum. These things are very routine.-Bama I am far more interested in this than 30 pages of hails for generic large alliance #3 signing their 8th redundant treaty with generic large alliance #4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Well what is right and wrong as far as raids are concerned is clearly a matter of ones own opinion on ethics isn't it. Yes, and because I'm not a coward I'm standing up for my firmly held beliefs. You, in your employment of that cop out defense "that's a matter of opinion", are obviously apathetic towards questions of morality. I am sorry if you think this is wrong and unjust, but evidently that is where our alliances differ. Don't be sorry. Stand up for yourself, or your alliance. Take your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yes I am aware of this, the fact that he attacked Schatt and yourself does strike me as strange, as stated before, we will be taking this into consideration when we are dealing with him on this matter. If he himself has a problem with you two, then that is his problem with you. His individual problem, the majority of MFO however do no hold any grudges or vendettas against ex-Vox members. We can't do anything about his personal views.I would be alot more sympathetic to your complaints if you had approached me in a more diplomatic and courteous manner, I am aware that you are angered by this grave injustice, but Schattenmann has been nothing but courteous and polite throughout why couldn't you? What are you going to do to him? Slap him on the wrist and tell him not to do it again? Besides, are you surprised? I am not, nor have I ever been a diplomat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmom Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I, benevolent dictator of Urmomzone, pledge my moral support to the citizens of Schloss Eggenberg. My nation has indeed fallen victim to such raids, in past lives and on different realms of planet Bob, and thus allows me to have empathy for what they must be going through. It is my hope that the mishap find a speedy solution, as I have faith that MFO are capable and benevolent people themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hormones74 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Schatt, I know you know JoshuaR, and we both know he is very reasonable. Why didnt you go talk to him before going through this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I believe this thread is very unnecessary, and thus I would like to state said belief. Now I fully acknowledge that my statement may too be claimed to be unnecessary, however I find myself holding strong views over the necessity of this thread, and thus I thought it was necessary for me to express those views about the necessity of this unnecessary thread. Furthermore, I genuinely believe that those views are in fact more necessary than this unnecessary thread. I would also like to pledge support to MFO, and say that if it were my alliance, then we'd refuse to pay the reps in order to teach the Cult of Justitia a lesson about how to properly conduct their Foreign Affairs. Schattenmann, I find this highly disappointing )): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankdolf Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I applaud the return of public FA not seen since the very beginning of alliance politics. o/ CoJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfEmpty Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 This heathen asks in the name of Justia that you please not ding the calculators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Good luck to working this out. (Maybe there will be fireworks and all that lovely stuff ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Good luck to working this out.(Maybe there will be fireworks and all that lovely stuff ) Maybe fireworks of celebration as this has now been resolved. Sorry to disappoint on the KABOOM! variety of fireworks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 As JoshuaR is not available right now I would like to make the following statement: Reparations are being sent to the nation of Schloss Eggenberg to repair any damages caused by Sunny Side King, the actions of Sunny Side King will be dealt with by the MFO Council and Cabinet as we see fit and he will be ordered to do his homework for his upcoming test Schattenmann, You were lucky this time, punk. If I had been on, I would have at least negotiated that YOU write the paragraphs (it would be an effective means of getting you back into the writing business, all of Bob would agree). That and I would have noticed that your nation is of the appropriate size to start buying tech from, and I could have used my 6th slot on you (okay okay, so that slot closed a few days ago...). It also looks like Johnny doesn't know how to negotiate. You're going to be RICH from this deal! In seriousness, and to the world at large, Our tech raiding rules: You are free to raid or war against any non-aligned nation. (You may NOT raid BLACK nations as per Dark Vows!)Beware, however, that MFO government will not take kindly to multiple MFO nations raiding the same target. In addition, in the case of any raid turning sour, you will get no official support from MFO. You will be on your own. Thus, raid nuclear capable nations at your own risk! That means that, yes, raiding CoJ was against the rules. (Noticing that SunnySideKing is also raiding a guy under the AA "Contract," I will note that Contract is a one man AA, and I personally do not consider that an alliance. I'm sure Johnny already spoke to Sunny about watching out for alliances in the future.) Raiding Starfox is likely a coincidence, though I have not spoken to SunnySideKing. I don't see any reason for him to have a vendetta against anyone from Vox. As I understand it, he was former Black Moon, then PC protectorate White Tree (perhaps also PC), likely explaining his love of raiding but not creating grounds for any vendetta. As far as public versus private matters, I'm actually in favor of all things being public, though I'm also strange in that I would enjoy closed negotiating rooms [OOC Closed roleplay, for say, surrender negotiations]. It's more fun this way, eh? You all get your two cents in (about what Shantamantan is owed, the devil), and fun things usually happen when silly people get angry, (though if you're not Schattenmann, a thread about a tech raid won't be entertaining at all, not that there was anything especially newsworthy here, just the promise, the hope!). To Sal Paradise, It seems your stance is against tech raiding in general. You will probably have to argue that one somewhere else. I simply give my nations sovereignty over their decisions, so long as they do not conflict with the interest of the alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadabethyname Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 and there you have it. joshua is the king of cool johnny and schatt are awesome the morality police is silly and the jedi is full of hot air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 And where have you been? What time do you call this!? not that there was anything especially newsworthy here The writers at the Day Today office beg to differ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 If every tech raid mishap was dealt with here, they'd have to create a new subforum. These things are very routine.-Bama If the only downside to having threads dealing with 'routine' issues out in the open (where negotiations, and by extension power abuses, are viewable by all) is a little more forum clutter, I'm all for these threads. They have the potential to be interesting and informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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