bigwoody Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 So the timestamp on mhawk's convo with ironchef when he found out will clear this whole mess up.More than likely GGA is at fault here though, and NPO couldn't have handled this situation any better. Insofar as I can tell, no one is really at fault. Kinda rare for these situations, but this is like the telephone game you play in preschool where messages get confused and twisted as they pass from person to person. Everyone could have likely handled it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Verteidiger Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 OOC: So what did you do Memorial Day? Well I read a thread on a forum for a political simulator game ... then this happened, <inappropriate image blasted. Oh my, well I always told you I always thought video games were a bad influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 ironchef told mhawk AFTER Moo had told ALL of GGA gov that we were going to be attacked by Athens. My understanding of the timeline of events is that Moo originated the information, and it quickly spread only to be returned back to him. So yes, Mhawk told Moo, but only after Moo had told the GGA government. I hope that Mhawks post will clarify the matter, along with ironchef's post she has already made. That's kind of impossible, considering Moo heard it from mhawk before he told you guys, which mhawk confirmed. Unless you're saying mhawk and Moo are both lying? And here I had some hope in you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Insofar as I can tell, no one is really at fault. Kinda rare for these situations, but this is like the telephone game you play in preschool where messages get confused and twisted as they pass from person to person. Everyone could have likely handled it better. I would disagree with the assessment that nobody is at fault. One of the three...Moo, Mhawk, or Ironchef is the originator of the "Athens is going to roll you" bit....All 3 say they heard it 1st from one of the other 3....they cant all be telling the truth. Hence, someone is lying. And one only lies, when one has something to save by lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 tl;dr - Moo interpreted the GGA peace terms as meaning that the government change would invoke a DoW from Athens.Or, he just wanted it to seem that Athens would use that as a CB to attack GGA, to try to get another front opened up on Athens by scaring GGA into declaring. Why is it that you think IC posting the same logs that are in the OP changed anything or proved any of your points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 This thread calls for 3 vicodin, 2 glasses of scotch, a joint and 2 reds. Then I'm going to go back to the begining and try to make sense of it. All you are going to end up with by doing such is 6 vicodin, 4 glasses of scotch, two joints and four reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 That's kind of impossible, considering Moo heard it from mhawk before he told you guys, which mhawk confirmed.Unless you're saying mhawk and Moo are both lying? And here I had some hope in you. WC, the only way GGA could be right would be if Mhawk in fact told Moo about it after Moo had told GGA, and Moo pretended to Mhawk that it was news to him. As I don't see what Moo could gain by lying to Mhawk, I think you're probably right. But let's wait for Mhawk's timestamps. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 ironchef told mhawk AFTER Moo had told ALL of GGA gov that we were going to be attacked by Athens. My understanding of the timeline of events is that Moo originated the information, and it quickly spread only to be returned back to him. So yes, Mhawk told Moo, but only after Moo had told the GGA government. I hope that Mhawks post will clarify the matter, along with ironchef's post she has already made. Something still doesn't add up. Moo got it from Mhawk. That isn't possible if Mhawk got it from GGA after Moo told GGA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 oh and for the record I have seen logs and according to the time stamps Moo told GGA after Ironchef told Mhawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 WC, the only way GGA could be right would be if Mhawk in fact told Moo about it after Moo had told GGA, and Moo pretended to Mhawk that it was news to him. As I don't see what Moo could gain by lying to Mhawk, I think you're probably right. But let's wait for Mhawk's timestamps.-Bama Yeah at this point I'm at a loss of words for GGA right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 oh and for the record I have seen logs and according to the time stamps Moo told GGA after Ironchef told Mhawk. Did you check time zones? That's the only thing I can think of. If that adds up, GGA must be lying or VERY confused. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) Here's how things look to me: 1) Moo says something to IronChef about them breaking terms, but IronChef says it's cool 2) IronChef talks to mhawk about it, he thinks she's saying Athens is going to attack 3) mhawk tells Moo Athens is going to attack 4) Moo, thinking this is entirely independent information, tells GGA 5) GGA talks to Athens All a bunch of confusion, with a hilarious result, but no scheming, plotting or anything of the sort. A hilarious communication error that happened to be with people high enough up for it to actually matter. Edited May 26, 2009 by FlakAttack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 All you are going to end up with by doing such is 6 vicodin, 4 glasses of scotch, two joints and four reds. That's a great idea. I wish I would have begun sooner. I'd be totally pasted by now and completely unawares of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 (edited) oh and for the record I have seen logs and according to the time stamps Moo told GGA after Ironchef told Mhawk. Well, case closed then? Except that Ironchef's logs clearly state that Athens had no problem with GGA's action, at least in the perception of GGA government, and this has been confirmed by Athens. Edited May 26, 2009 by Sileath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 oh and for the record I have seen logs and according to the time stamps Moo told GGA after Ironchef told Mhawk. I think the most hilarious part of all this is just how incredibly snowed over Londo was. By the GGA of all people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Here's how things look to me:1) Moo says something to IronChef about them breaking terms, but IronChef says it's cool 2) IronChef talks to mhawk about it, he thinks she's saying Athens is going to attack 3) mhawk tells Moo Athens is going to attack 4) Moo tells GGA 5) GGA talks to Athens All a bunch of confusion, with a hilarious result, but no scheming, plotting or anything of the sort. A hilarious communication error that happened to be with people high enough up for it to actually matter. This is actually plausible. And probably the ONLY scenario where nobody is lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Did you check time zones? That's the only thing I can think of. If that adds up, GGA must be lying or VERY confused.-Bama I didn't but judging by the proximity of time of the logs I have seen I would be very surprised if it was different timezones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I didn't but judging by the proximity of time of the logs I have seen I would be very surprised if it was different timezones. Okay, makes sense. So either FlakAttack is right or Ironchef is lying. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Seems like the same M.O. in every thread. GGA posts. Hilarity ensues. After reading through this thread, I'm saddened over our treaty cancelation with them. I would like to be around for more of these fun rides in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I would disagree with the assessment that nobody is at fault. One of the three...Moo, Mhawk, or Ironchef is the originator of the "Athens is going to roll you" bit....All 3 say they heard it 1st from one of the other 3....they cant all be telling the truth. Hence, someone is lying. And one only lies, when one has something to save by lying. Overreacted more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Here's how things look to me:1) Moo says something to IronChef about them breaking terms, but IronChef says it's cool 2) IronChef talks to mhawk about it, he thinks she's saying Athens is going to attack 3) mhawk tells Moo Athens is going to attack 4) Moo, thinking this is entirely independent information, tells GGA 5) GGA talks to Athens All a bunch of confusion, with a hilarious result, but no scheming, plotting or anything of the sort. A hilarious communication error that happened to be with people high enough up for it to actually matter. That is definitely a possible scenario. The crime here then would be acting on bad intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrotskysRevenge Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Here's how things look to me:1) Moo says something to IronChef about them breaking terms, but IronChef says it's cool 2) IronChef talks to mhawk about it, he thinks she's saying Athens is going to attack 3) mhawk tells Moo Athens is going to attack 4) Moo, thinking this is entirely independent information, tells GGA 5) GGA talks to Athens All a bunch of confusion, with a hilarious result, but no scheming, plotting or anything of the sort. A hilarious communication error that happened to be with people high enough up for it to actually matter. The only problem is that mhawk told me about Athens and the breaking of the terms, which I then relayed to GGA. I had no knowledge before that conversation. Besides, if GGA already knew it, why did they need to talk with Athens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Well, case closed then?Except that Ironchef's logs clearly state that Athens had no problem with GGA's action, at least in the perception of GGA government, and this has been confirmed by Athens. Then clearly, CLEARLY ironchef saw an opportunity to try and provide a flimsy excuse for the GGA to back out away from the NPO and look good in the process? Or rather, just plain make the NPO look bad? Either way, the entire scenario the OP suggests is too suspicous and specious to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 The crime here then would be acting on bad intelligence. Who was acting? Was Moo going to DoW Athens for plotting against his ally? Oh wait. No, he passed along a tip to GGA, who were in the best possible position to check whether it was true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 The only problem is that mhawk told me about Athens and the breaking of the terms, which I then relayed to GGA. I had no knowledge before that conversation. Besides, if GGA already knew it, why did they need to talk with Athens? dude. didn't gga contact you before all of this to settle it before coming to the public? i am drunk and still know the formalities, quite simple really mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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