Shifty Stranger Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Victory belongs to The Dark Templar o/ We honor our Archon with our success! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I've yet to see white peace hurt an alliance So you're saying that both sides mutually jump-starting each other is less beneficial than having both sides shake hands, lick their wounds, and start the slow rebuilding process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shodemofi-NPO Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I've yet to see white peace hurt an alliance Tech deals, especially at the standard going rate, help the person sending tech too. Just because these are the first terms that weren't straight up white peace doesn't make them harsh in any way or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 o/ DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I fail to see how this invalidates my point. The "required" amount at "set price" is BS They honored treaties and their being denied sovereignty. You may want to look up the definition of "KARMA" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 o/ SSSW18, good to see you guys get peace \o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Good stuff from all alliances involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 The "required" amount at "set price" is BSThey honored treaties and their being denied sovereignty. You may want to look up the definition of "KARMA" 3mil for 100 tech, sounds horrible. What monsters are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Oh no something that resembles reps we are all hypocrites I can't be in Karma anymore!*quits* And again, I laughed a great deal. Reparations in the forms of tech deals aren't harsh at all for an alliance. Also suspending treaties for the duration of the conflict would be in SSSW18's best interest. Nothing really to troll here That's true. We're helping them rebuild in one way, they're helping us rebuild in another. Both sides benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 3mil for 100 tech, sounds horrible. What monsters are we? The fact that you "require" it in exchange for peace makes you a monster. whether the requirement is 100 tech for 3 million or 10,000 tech at no charge it is still a required term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I personally don't see the issue with the tech deals. I'd have loved to see SSSW18 get white peace, but these terms are not particularly oppressive. No, what interests me much more is that these terms had to be approved by Karma leadership. Judging by their reaction to the honorable terms agreed upon by TOOL/FnKa and DT/allies, it would appear that Archon and co. are attempting to prevent Karma alliances from giving up any more... erm... "Unnecesarry concessions". This will assure that Hegemony alliances "get what they have coming to them." -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodivine Posted May 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'm disappointed you gave SSSW18 terms instead of white peace. When you turn it down the first time you don't get the same offer a second time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterof9puppets Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 The fact that you "require" it in exchange for peace makes you a monster.whether the requirement is 100 tech for 3 million or 10,000 tech at no charge it is still a required term I'm sure if SSSW18 didn't (somehow, this would be impossible though) see the benefit in mutual tech deals, they would have mentioned it in our talks for peace and the terms change. You sir, however, were not involved in those talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 You may want to look up the definition of "KARMA" I think it is you who should be doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 When you turn it down the first time you don't get the same offer a second time. Really now? Again, I have no issue with these terms, but check your facts. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 All three nations I engaged that belonged to SSW18 (Yevensky, Southern Alliance and Japan1) fought with honor. But let me say this, Yevensky fought like a man possessed and although my alliance defeated yours sir... I could not defeat you and your people. A magnificent defence sir. I raise my glass to this peace. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 When you turn it down the first time you don't get the same offer a second time. How very malevolent of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 The fact that you "require" it in exchange for peace makes you a monster.whether the requirement is 100 tech for 3 million or 10,000 tech at no charge it is still a required term Oh the horror D: You are making yourself look like a fool. Sorry to offend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrownso Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Tech deals, especially at the standard going rate, help the person sending tech too. Just because these are the first terms that weren't straight up white peace doesn't make them harsh in any way or form. I'll preface this with the following statements: I am not in SSSW18 government. This is my opinion and mine alone. This is crap. DT offered white peace only days ago when MOON demanded hundreds of millions in reps. While tech deals aren't technically reps, SSSW18 is being obligated to sell 10000 tech to the alliances within 90 days. It seems that because we didn't bow down quick enough, we get to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Ubet Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 The fact that you "require" it in exchange for peace makes you a monster.whether the requirement is 100 tech for 3 million or 10,000 tech at no charge it is still a required term Ok think about this why would you not want to do a tech deal,to me this just makes it easier for them to find tech deals and it helps both alliances and last those alliances are paying for the tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'll preface this with the following statements:I am not in SSSW18 government. This is my opinion and mine alone. This is crap. DT offered white peace only days ago when MOON demanded hundreds of millions in reps. While tech deals aren't technically reps, SSSW18 is being obligated to sell 10000 tech to the alliances within 90 days. It seems that because we didn't bow down quick enough, we get to pay. If you read the terms, the time limit is flexible. No one expects SSSW18 to do something they can't. This was hammered out during the discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'm sure if SSSW18 didn't (somehow, this would be impossible though) see the benefit in mutual tech deals, they would have mentioned it in our talks for peace and the terms change.You sir, however, were not involved in those talks. True scoop I wasn't involved, if you don't want commentary don't announce it to the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhalen Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) When you turn it down the first time you don't get the same offer a second time. Well, if they turned down a pure offer (I won't claim knowledge), then I can't say it's too surprising the next one, with the war growing more unbalanced, wouldn't be quite as good. 2500 isn't really anything, honestly. The lower-NS nations (just the ones with under 100 tech) ought to be able to churn through that in just about one aid cycle. So that's what, 4 aid cycles for 4 alliances? On the other hand, I notice no military decom requirements at all. I'm not going to bother checking what kind of nukes/navies/etc SSSW18 has, but that's something. Edited May 1, 2009 by Vhalen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taget Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I'd like to thank the Karma alliances for their help in getting this done as well as VA, GRAN, and TOOL who showed great honor and courage in this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Now this is the type of peace I can get behind. The kind of peace with reps. )): White peace )): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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