Declaration from The Galactic Republic

[Baden-Württemberg]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

[The FSM]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

Perhaps you would be right if not for the fact that there are many more people than Cheyenne involved in the treaty process here in TGR

[BamaBuc]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

From my dealings with Cheyenne, I know that he's a very level-headed guy who doesn't view things as black-and-white and doesn't do things impulsively. If he and the rest of his government felt the need to cancel this, I'm sure they had good reason.

Once again, good luck to my friends in TGR. Sorry I had to attack you guys.

-Bama

[New Frontier]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

Well, we can't all be beacons of purity and light like yourself, Sam.

I'd like to thank everyone who supported us in this move, but I ask that we all try to keep this thread civil. It certainly wasn't an easy decision for us to make, but it was one that we made carefully and stand by.

[Kim Jaym Il]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

Just so that you're properly informed, not that it has stopped you previously, but Cheyenne was not even the person to put forward the motion to cancel the treaty.

The cancellation of this treaty was a difficult decision that was ultimately agreed upon by a majority of the government as being the right thing to do. TGR and Soldier were once very tight, but we've drifted apart.

Also, I've never been a fan of going after the person instead of the post, but seriously? You, Sam, are trying to lecture someone about opportunism?

[roymustang]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

I thought I could expect better of you, SAM.

For those unfamiliar with us (and there are many, I'm sure), no one person has the power to unilaterally sign and/or cancel treaties. That is something our government as a whole decides, and frankly, I don't think any of our government will be itching to sign a new treaty with Soldier, least of all Cheyenne. We've made our decision and it will remain as such. Go troll someone else.

tl,dr Go away.

@TGR and others inclined to defend us: Don't feed the troll.

[magicninja]

From my dealings with Cheyenne I know that he can be opportunistic at times. Don't worry, as soon as the war is over, he'll ask Soldier for a new treaty

Cheyenne was cool until Melutar went over. Then I !@#$%*ed at Mel for leaving the night before a war and during a time when AUT had just bailed to go fight and Cheyenne got sad and combative.

[Wu Tang Clan]

Cheyenne was cool until Melutar went over. Then I !@#$%*ed at Mel for leaving the night before a war and during a time when AUT had just bailed to go fight and Cheyenne got sad and combative.

Is that the whole story? Because that makes too much sense...

[magicninja]

I know this is on the fence of gravedigging. I read the rules and it sadi 4-7 days and howmany pages it was dug out from. I see it's been 4 1/2 days and I got it from the top of the 3rd page. It also said content applicable to the thread would be considered. Well this is about the whole shanbang and will most likely be my last on the subject.

Is that the whole story? Because that makes too much sense...

Well no there were underlying circumstances. When AUT was deciding to go fight or whatever he wanted to do he first said he was going to leave Melutar in charge. He changed his mind a few minutes later and left me in charge instead. This pissed off Mel and he decided he wanted Soldier to vote on who was going to be the leader right? That really wasn't how it's supposed to go down according to the Soldier charter. Everyone in the chan told him to go screw himself and he got mad and left for TGR. Fine. a day or two later AUT tells me that Mel owed Soldier like $30 mil in aid. So, Mel queries me about it and I won't lie, I was kinda curt and frank with him and none too polite.

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:01:10 2009

Session Ident: Melutar[TGR]

[19:01] Session Ident: Melutar[TGR] (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (~MelutarSl@coldfront-9E668689.maine.res.rr.com)

[19:01] <Melutar[TGR]> Hey

01[19:01] <magicninja|sldr|> what

[19:02] <Melutar[TGR]> What is AUT's position when he rejoins?

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> What does it matter to you

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> You left

[19:02] <Melutar[TGR]> Tell me and I'll explain

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> None of your business

[19:02] <Melutar[TGR]> Excuse me but it is

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> lol]

[19:02] <Melutar[TGR]> I'm serious

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> None of your businees

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> Absolutely none

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> so am I

01[19:02] <magicninja|sldr|> GTFO

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:03:02 2009

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:03:18 2009

Session Ident: Melutar[TGR]

[19:03] Session Ident: Melutar[TGR] (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (~MelutarSl@coldfront-9E668689.maine.res.rr.com)

[19:03] <Melutar[TGR]> Alright?

01[19:03] <magicninja|sldr|> bye

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:03:28 2009

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:04:13 2009

Session Ident: Melutar[TGR]

01[19:04] <magicninja|sldr|> Oh one last thing AUT tells me you owe Soldier $30 million in aid you took before you left.

01[19:04] <magicninja|sldr|> You have 1 month

01[19:04] <magicninja|sldr|> Have a nice day

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:04:53 2009

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:04:56 2009

Session Ident: Melutar[TGR]

[19:04] Session Ident: Melutar[TGR] (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (~MelutarSl@coldfront-9E668689.maine.res.rr.com)

[19:04] <Melutar[TGR]> Why are you so angry all of a sudden?

01[19:05] <magicninja|sldr|> Because you think you have any business wondering where I put any of my Soldiers

01[19:05] <magicninja|sldr|> You don't

01[19:05] <magicninja|sldr|> You left

01[19:05] <magicninja|sldr|> Soldier is no longer any of your concern

[19:05] <Melutar[TGR]> Will he be Chairman, and yes it is

[19:05] <Melutar[TGR]> You are TGR's allies

[19:06] <Melutar[TGR]> I still have friends in Soldier

01[19:06] <magicninja|sldr|> Still

01[19:06] <magicninja|sldr|> What I do with AUT or anyone else in my alliance is my concern

01[19:06] <magicninja|sldr|> not yours

[19:06] <Melutar[TGR]> If AUT is getting a gov position we have the right to know

01[19:06] <magicninja|sldr|> hahha

[19:06] <Melutar[TGR]> I don't care what it is

01[19:06] <magicninja|sldr|> No you don't

01[19:07] <magicninja|sldr|> If he does get one I'll let everyone know

01[19:07] <magicninja|sldr|> but don't think you have the right to demand anything of me

[19:07] <Melutar[TGR]> I asked you

[19:07] <Melutar[TGR]> I'm not demanding

[19:07] <Melutar[TGR]> Heaven forbid I want to work something out diplomatically

01[19:08] <magicninja|sldr|> Well as far as I can see there is nothing to work out

01[19:08] <magicninja|sldr|> You owe you pay

01[19:08] <magicninja|sldr|> Period

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:08:18 2009

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:09:04 2009

Session Ident: Melutar[TGR]

[19:09] Session Ident: Melutar[TGR] (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (~MelutarSl@coldfront-9E668689.maine.res.rr.com)

[19:09] <Melutar[TGR]> Cheyenne was told by AUT that it wasn't urgent and to pay it as I can, you say I have a month

01[19:09] <magicninja|sldr|> Well AUT isn't Chairman is he? He has no say. He told me to be nice but I don't like your attitude

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> Tell you what

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> Since Soldier will be going to war

[19:10] <Melutar[TGR]> My attitude?

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> I can hardly ask you to send aid from a nuetral alliance

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> So after the war

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> We'll discuss it

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> Until then leave me alone

01[19:10] <magicninja|sldr|> I got enough to deal with

[19:11] <Melutar[TGR]> Fine, be that way

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:11:06 2009

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:11:09 2009

Session Ident: Melutar[TGR]

[19:11] Session Ident: Melutar[TGR] (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (~MelutarSl@coldfront-9E668689.maine.res.rr.com)

[19:11] <Melutar[TGR]> I tried to be nice and work this out

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:11:15 2009

Cheyenne queries me soon after:

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:13:50 2009

Session Ident: Cheyenne

[19:13] Session Ident: Cheyenne (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (Mibbit@CA3E8E3E.BC0A5CD4.4409570D.IP)

[19:13] <Cheyenne> Hello

01[19:14] <magicninja|sldr|> Hey

[19:14] <Cheyenne> So, I hear there's a situation between you guys and one of my members?

01[19:15] <magicninja|sldr|> Did Mel go bawwwing to you about the meanie magicninja?

[19:15] <Cheyenne> No.

01[19:15] <magicninja|sldr|> He owes Soldier $30 mil in aid he recieved before he left

[19:15] <Cheyenne> I was discussing with him how he was going to pay back Soldier.

01[19:15] <magicninja|sldr|> That doesn't matter now

[19:15] <Cheyenne> And when he showed me logs, I realized how much I don't like having my allies being dicks to my members.

01[19:16] <magicninja|sldr|> WE'll be joining the war shortly and I won't endanger you guys by having him send it while we are engaged

01[19:16] <magicninja|sldr|> So we'll talk about Mel and his debt after the war

[19:16] <Cheyenne> Alright.

01[19:16] <magicninja|sldr|> He isn't gonna come and demand I tell him anything about who I appoint where in my gov Cheyenne

01[19:17] <magicninja|sldr|> It's none of his business

01[19:17] <magicninja|sldr|> I wouldn't ask you to do it

01[19:17] <magicninja|sldr|> So I expect the same respect

[19:17] <Cheyenne> Of course.

[19:17] <Cheyenne> But I've read the logs, and you clearly overreacted.

01[19:17] <magicninja|sldr|> Mel and I have our own thing

[19:18] <Cheyenne> Well, if you have a problem with my members, then you have a problem with me.

01[19:18] <magicninja|sldr|> Clearly the situation is compounded by the manner he chose to leave

01[19:18] <magicninja|sldr|> He wanted to coup AUT

01[19:18] <magicninja|sldr|> When the alliance din't go with it he left

01[19:19] <magicninja|sldr|> So I'm sorry if I'm not all peaches and cream wioth the guy

[19:19] <Cheyenne> Explain.

01[19:19] <magicninja|sldr|> I'll send you logs if you like

01[19:19] <magicninja|sldr|> Then you can make up your own mind

[19:19] <Cheyenne> Sure

01[19:20] <magicninja|sldr|> You'll have to give me a minut

01[19:20] <magicninja|sldr|> the logs are huge

01[19:20] <magicninja|sldr|> you'll want them somewhere than IRC

[19:21] <Cheyenne> PM them to me on the BB

01[19:24] <magicninja|sldr|> Meh I can paste them hear most of it is filler but this is the main bit

[19:24] <Cheyenne> Alright.

(Cut to logs of Mel crying over not being named leader etc.)

[19:32] <Cheyenne> Hmm

[19:33] <Cheyenne> He was Chancellor, which is 2nd in command, correct?

01[19:34] <magicninja|sldr|> Yeah but at that time AUT was only talking about leaving he hadn't done it yet

[19:34] <Cheyenne> Yeah.

01[19:35] <magicninja|sldr|> So as you can see I'm sorry but I don't think Mel and I will ever really be friends

01[19:35] <magicninja|sldr|> I'll try not to be mean to the dude

01[19:35] <magicninja|sldr|> but not if he comes in demanding things from me

[19:35] <Cheyenne> I don't ask you to be friends to all of my members. I do ask you to be respectful to him, as per the Clone Trooper Accords.

01[19:35] <magicninja|sldr|> i won't respond kindly to that

01[19:36] <magicninja|sldr|> Then ask the same of him and everything will be cool

[19:36] <Cheyenne> I have.

01[19:36] <magicninja|sldr|> Alright then thanks. Now if you excuse me I have a lot on my plate atm

[19:36] <Cheyenne> Understood.

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 19:37:39 2009

Session Start: Thu Apr 23 19:44:40 2009

Session Ident: Cheyenne

[19:44] Session Ident: Cheyenne (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (Mibbit@CA3E8E3E.BC0A5CD4.4409570D.IP)

[19:44] <Cheyenne> Hm.

[19:44] <Cheyenne> Mel just showed me more of the logs.

[19:44] <Cheyenne> I believe what we have here is a failure to communicate.

[19:46] <Cheyenne> From what I've seen, he had as much claim to the alliance as anyone.

[19:46] <Cheyenne> AUT named him Chairman, then changed his mind.

01[19:46] <magicninja|sldr|> AUT hadn't quit

[19:46] <Cheyenne> [12:53am] TheAUT[sldr]: Mel is the new Chairman

01[19:47] <magicninja|sldr|> So second in command doesn't take over

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> If he did say that I wasn't there for it

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> I came in in the middle of the ruckus

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> So ask AUT about it

01[19:50] <magicninja|sldr|> It's moot anyway since Mel left

01[19:50] <magicninja|sldr|> Apparently the membership didn't care much for Mel taking over anyway

[19:50] <Cheyenne> Yeah

[19:51] <Cheyenne> either way, you can't really call it a coup.

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> Well from what I saw when I got in that's what it looked like

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> Trying to make people choose between him and AUT

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> That's what everyone else saw it as too

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> <@Skyzer> so if mel coups everyone leaves?

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> <&KingWilliamII[sldr]> basicly

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> <@KingJosephIV[sldr]> yes

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> <@Dodger> no

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> <@UGrocks> i'm following magic wherever he goes

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> <@Dodger> I won't leave, but your coupe will fail

06[19:52] * magicninja|sldr| shrugs

[19:52] <Cheyenne> Yeah, but AUT had already said he was chairman, and then changed his mind, so it's more of a leadership dispute than a coup. I love AUT, and Mel's a friend of mine too.

01[19:53] <magicninja|sldr|> Well that's just what I saw

[19:53] <Cheyenne> Well, now I'm telling you the whole story.

[19:54] <Cheyenne> I'd appreciate it if you would apologize to Melutar. He may not ahve acted perfectly, but it was hardly a coup. You don't have to love him, you just need to treat the Republic, and all of her members, with respect.

Session Close: Thu Apr 23 21:39:01 2009

I apologized to Mel in #Soldier for all to see the next day:

[14:45] <@Nada2486[sldr]> hey melu tongue.gif

[14:45] <+Melutar[TGR]> Hey Nada ^.^

[14:45] <+Melutar[TGR]> Sup?

[14:48] <@Nada2486[sldr]> nothin much you?

[14:48] <+Melutar[TGR]> Just chattin with friens

[14:48] <+Melutar[TGR]> er, friends

03[14:50] * JoshtheGreat is now known as JoshtheGreat|away

[14:51] <@Nada2486[sldr]> so you at war yet

[14:51] <@Nada2486[sldr]> ?

[14:51] <+Melutar[TGR]> No....

01[14:52] <&magicninja|sldr|> Sorry for being mean last night Mel, I was kinda stressed out

[14:52] <+Melutar[TGR]> Mmmmmk

[14:53] <@Nada2486[sldr]> ohmy.gif

03[14:53] * Tweak1029 (Tweak1029@3C5CFFF4.8B4BEE05.C7CF1A2D.IP) has joined #soldier

03[14:53] * ChanServ sets mode: +h Tweak1029

So, I did what Cheyenne asked. Notice Mel was pretty non-plussed and didn't offer an apology back? I took it in stride.

Soldier and I war a little bit and do our thing. Made a somewhat iffy thread about our PoW policy which wasn't well received by some but I honestly had good intentions with it.

So a few days after the Melutar thing I get this:

Session Start: Sun Apr 26 18:31:23 2009

Session Ident: Cheyenne

[18:31] Session Ident: Cheyenne (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (Mibbit@CA3E8E3E.BC0A5CD4.4409570D.IP)

[18:31] <Cheyenne> Hey

01[18:35] <magicninja|sldr|> Hey

[18:35] <Cheyenne> How's it going?

01[18:35] <magicninja|sldr|> Not too bad I guess

01[18:35] <magicninja|sldr|> Trying to look for some help against these IS guys

[18:35] <Cheyenne> Oh yeah

01[18:35] <magicninja|sldr|> Waiting for Duncan King to get

01[18:36] <magicninja|sldr|> on

01[18:36] <magicninja|sldr|> Since they declared on Zenith too maybe they got an ally that could help out

01[19:45] <magicninja|sldr|> <TheAUT-Away> You're making TGR angry.

01[19:45] <magicninja|sldr|> <TheAUT-Away> I think you should talk to Cheyenne

01[19:45] <magicninja|sldr|> What?

[19:46] <Cheyenne> I was just talking to AUT about the current situation,.

[19:46] <Cheyenne> Honestly, right now we're not sure if the Soldier relationship warrants an ODP.

01[19:46] <magicninja|sldr|> Bye

Session Close: Sun Apr 26 19:46:51 2009

Session Start: Sun Apr 26 19:47:26 2009

Session Ident: Cheyenne

[19:47] Session Ident: Cheyenne (Coldfront, magicninja|sldr|) (Mibbit@CA3E8E3E.BC0A5CD4.4409570D.IP)

[19:47] <Cheyenne> Is this honestly how it's going to be?

01[19:47] <magicninja|sldr|> You seem to have made your decision already

[19:47] <Cheyenne> I haven't.

01[19:47] <magicninja|sldr|> Without me doing anything wrong even

[19:48] <Cheyenne> If you cared about the treaty, you'd be working with me to bring it back to where it was, not doing your damndest to tear it apart.

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> One I didn;t do anything

[19:49] <Cheyenne> Oh yeah?

[19:49] <Cheyenne> Trolling my members is something.

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> What have I done except yell at Mel a little

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> For which I did apologize

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> without so much as an apology back

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> For what he told me?

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> I took it in stride

[19:49] <Cheyenne> You refused to even discuss the treaty with me.

01[19:49] <magicninja|sldr|> I yelled at AUT for banning them from #soldier

01[19:50] <magicninja|sldr|> What is there to discuss Cheyenne

[19:50] <Cheyenne> The fact that our relationship is nonexistent.

[19:50] <Cheyenne> I came to you to try to fix that.

01[19:50] <magicninja|sldr|> If you don't think it warrants an ODP what can I do to change your mind?

[19:50] <Cheyenne> Work to bring it to the point it was at when we signed it.

[19:50] <Cheyenne> but you're clearly unready to do that.

01[19:50] <magicninja|sldr|> I've been keeping up with a war here Cheyenne

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> As much as I would love to just and get to know people I really don't have the time

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> I'm not asking anything of you but to be patient

[19:51] <Cheyenne> You didn't say you were too busy.

[19:51] <Cheyenne> You told me you wouldn't discuss it.

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> When?

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> When i said Bye?

[19:51] <Cheyenne> After everything TGR has done for you, I expect to be given the benefit of the doubt.

[19:51] <Cheyenne> Yes.

01[19:51] <magicninja|sldr|> Because you clearly have your mind made up

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> If you wanted to discuss it

01[19:52] <magicninja|sldr|> You wouldn't have come in saying it wasn't worth it

[19:53] <Cheyenne> You assumed that's what I meant.

[19:53] <Cheyenne> And after what we've done for you, I damn well expect the benefit of the doubt.

[19:54] <Cheyenne> for all the times we've gone to bat for you, when we've been the only alliance to do so.

01[19:56] <magicninja|sldr|> I don't know you or what you've done for Soldier. Quite frankly AUT left in such a hurry he didn;t explain much about Soldier foreign dealings.

01[19:56] <magicninja|sldr|> Would I like to keep the treaty? Sure.

01[19:57] <magicninja|sldr|> But I don't see why you come in here saying that you don't want it when i haven't done anything wrong

Session Close: Mon Apr 27 00:00:00 2009

Was I an ahole when he came at me like that? Yeah I was a little stressed out but as you can see I did rethink the situation and tried to discuss it.

Then it pretty much ended with this:

Session Start: Mon Apr 27 11:56:30 2009

Session Ident: Cheyenne

[12:49] <Cheyenne> You left Soldier?

Session Close: Mon Apr 27 13:03:55 2009

Session Start: Mon Apr 27 13:16:19 2009

Session Ident: Cheyenne

01[13:16] <magicninja|sldr|> Who told you I left?

01[13:16] <magicninja|sldr|> I haven't left Soldier

01[13:16] <magicninja|sldr|> FYI

[13:16] <Cheyenne> Your nick was "TPF applicant"

01[13:17] <magicninja|sldr|> That's what happens when I ping out

01[13:17] <magicninja|sldr|> I need to change that >_>

[13:17] <Cheyenne> Ah, alright.

[13:17] <Cheyenne> Also, if Chazz hasn't informed you, we voted on the treaty after our discussion,and I'm afraid we've decided to cancel the CTA.

01[13:18] <magicninja|sldr|> What discussion?

01[13:18] <magicninja|sldr|> You never told me what I did wrong

[13:18] <Cheyenne> You told me you wouldn't discuss it.

01[13:18] <magicninja|sldr|> I never said that

01[13:18] <magicninja|sldr|> I was trying to discuss

01[13:18] <magicninja|sldr|> it

[13:19] <Cheyenne> "bye"

01[13:19] <magicninja|sldr|> You left after I said I didn't know what I did wrong

01[13:19] <magicninja|sldr|> After that cheif

[13:19] <Cheyenne> Basically, we're tired of your antics and none of the government that was there when we signed is still around.

01[13:20] <magicninja|sldr|> Antics you say?

01[13:20] <magicninja|sldr|> What antics?

[13:20] <Cheyenne> I wish you the best, and I sincerely hope you can get Soldier back on track, because it was a great alliance, and has the potential to continue to be.

01[13:20] <magicninja|sldr|> <magicninja|sldr|> Antics you say?

01[13:20] <magicninja|sldr|> <magicninja|sldr|> What antics?

01[13:21] <magicninja|sldr|> Don't make me repeat mysel;f again

01[13:22] <magicninja|sldr|> I wanna hear this

01[13:22] <magicninja|sldr|> What antics?

[13:22] <Cheyenne> My Second in command will fill you in. Some urgent war stuff is taking up msot of my time.

01[13:22] <magicninja|sldr|> Lol

01[13:23] <magicninja|sldr|> You're a piece of !@#$ <<<This was uncalled for but I was getting mad by this point

01[13:23] <magicninja|sldr|> Can't even answer the question

01[13:23] <magicninja|sldr|> I told you

01[13:23] <magicninja|sldr|> You had your mind made up

01[13:23] <magicninja|sldr|> Had nothing to do with "antics"

[13:24] <Cheyenne> It definitely has to do with antics.

01[13:28] <magicninja|sldr|> What antics

01[13:28] <magicninja|sldr|> Simple question

[13:28] <Cheyenne> Can you please just talk to Jaym? I don't have time for this, and he has the authority to speak for me.

01[13:29] <magicninja|sldr|> So you can't answer can you

[13:29] <Cheyenne> I can, I am busy.

01[13:29] <magicninja|sldr|> As far as I'm concerned you still haven't given a reason

01[13:29] <magicninja|sldr|> I wanna hear it from you

01[13:29] <magicninja|sldr|> Won't take byut 30 seconds and then you can be on your way

[13:30] <Cheyenne> 1. Assuming the worst from your most steadfast allies.

[13:30] <Cheyenne> 2. Refusing to discuss the situation with me last night.

[13:30] <Cheyenne> 3. Being my idols to our membership.

[13:30] <Cheyenne> 4. Running your alliance into the ground.

[13:30] <Cheyenne> 5. Getting desperate for good PR on the forums and looking like an idiot.

[13:30] <Cheyenne> 6. Making it impossible for us to stand up for you.

[13:31] <Cheyenne> In short, I was having trouble coming up with a single situation in which I would feel good about bringing TGR in for your defence, and in that position I can't justify an ODP.

01[13:31] <magicninja|sldr|> 1. Maybe.

[13:32] <Cheyenne> you have single-handedly ruined the relationship that we had. It's turned from a de-facto MDP to worthless.

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> 2. I thought we were discussing it until you left withput answering my last question

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> 3. I apologized to Mel

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> 4

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> We're doing better than ever

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> 5. That had nothing to do with PR

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> 6. That's up to you

01[13:33] <magicninja|sldr|> I already knew you weren't since you had treaties on both sides. I didn't expect TGR to do anything

01[13:33] <magicninja|sldr|> Basically. You're full of !@#$ with these reasons

[13:34] <Cheyenne> Well, if we're full of !@#$ then you should be glad we cancelled the treaty.

01[13:34] <magicninja|sldr|> Why should I be glad you cancelled on false pretenses?

01[13:34] <magicninja|sldr|> With BS resons?

[13:35] <Cheyenne> What do you think is the real reason we cancelled, then?

01[13:36] <magicninja|sldr|> How should I know? There wasn't any real reason to do it. Nothing that couldn't be worked out anyway.

01[13:36] <magicninja|sldr|> So I guess the reason would be because you wanted to come into the war on the otherside and needed a reason

[13:36] <Cheyenne> Trust me, this wasn't a decision we made lightly.

01[13:36] <magicninja|sldr|> So you made one up

[13:36] <Cheyenne> How would cancelling an ODP be grounds for war? :S

[13:37] <Cheyenne> If we do come into the war it will be in defence of an ally, and not on any side.

01[13:37] <magicninja|sldr|> You had said you were nuetral since you had friends on both sides

01[13:37] <magicninja|sldr|> I guess now that that is out the window you have yuour chance

[13:37] <Cheyenne> That is true.

01[13:38] <magicninja|sldr|> Well at least you acknowledge your real reason

01[13:38] <magicninja|sldr|> That's all you had to do

[13:38] <Cheyenne> No.

[13:38] <Cheyenne> I said it was true that we are neutral because we have friends on both sides.

[13:38] <Cheyenne> As I have said from the beginning, we will only enter if we are obligated by treaty to do so.

01[13:39] <magicninja|sldr|> I didn't ask anything of you. I din't do anything I didn't apologize for and last night you left without answering my questions.

Session Close: Mon Apr 27 17:38:42 2009

Then soon after they enter the war against TPF with NSO. hmmmmmmm

So, in closing I think you can see how I can be pissed with Cheyenne and TGR about the whole way that went down. I guess they have reasons to be mad at me too. Oh well. There you have it the whole story. tongue.gif Hope you enjoyed it.

After all of it.......I'm actually quite sorry it went down like that. Cheyenne was pretty cool up to that point and had I not merged with Soldier TGR would've been my second choice. Cheyenne had queried me about it the same day we merged with Soldier. I actually know quite a few people over there at TGR. Just really didn't know Cheyenne too well. For my part, I'm sorry and best of luck to you guys.

[Amelsh]

I'm not certain how of that I can/should respond to, but I resent any implication that we canceled the treaty in order to enter the war on the other side. The discussions about dropping the treaty were entirely separate from the discussions about possibly entering the war to help NSO.

[Haflinger]

That reads to me like magicninja sadly overreacting to Cheyenne, with Melutar being kindof an idiot on the side.

[The AUT]

That reads to me like magicninja sadly overreacting to Cheyenne, with Melutar being kindof an idiot on the side.

It wasn't on the side, trust me.

[neneko]

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> 4

01[13:32] <magicninja|sldr|> We're doing better than ever

I know, I'm terrible.

[magicninja]

I know, I'm terrible.

At the time we were believe it or not. At least while I was around. Hell, maybe it's not saying much since I never got to know the real Soldier.

[magicninja]

That reads to me like magicninja sadly overreacting to Cheyenne, with Melutar being kindof an idiot on the side.

I won't deny it. I was under a ton of pressure at the time. I know. Looking back it is no excuse.

I'm not certain how of that I can/should respond to, but I resent any implication that we canceled the treaty in order to enter the war on the other side. The discussions about dropping the treaty were entirely separate from the discussions about possibly entering the war to help NSO.

You realize from what Cheyenne had been telling me about being neutral there shouldn't have been any talk about entering the war anywhere right? Discussing dropping the treaty in one thread while discussing going to war in another almost gives credence to what I was saying about the decision already being made.

Can't bs a bs'r.

Edited May 9, 2009 by magicninja

[Amelsh]

You realize from what Cheyenne had been telling me about being neutral there shouldn't have been any talk about entering the war anywhere right? Discussing dropping the treaty in one thread while discussing going to war in another almost gives credence to what I was saying about the decision already being made.

I'm afraid you're going to need to explain that logic to me. I cannot think of any reason one would have to drop a treaty with an alliance just because one is entering a war on the "opposite side" unless one intends to attack said alliance. Which was definitely not the case. The possibility of activating our treaty with NSO had no bearing on the discussion about dropping the treaty with Soldier, and it did not come up during that discussion.

And if it only almost gives credence, I think it does not help your point.

Can't bs a bs'r.

I don't like bs, and I do not use it when I present an argument.

[magicninja]

I'm afraid you're going to need to explain that logic to me. I cannot think of any reason one would have to drop a treaty with an alliance just because one is entering a war on the "opposite side" unless one intends to attack said alliance. Which was definitely not the case. The possibility of activating our treaty with NSO had no bearing on the discussion about dropping the treaty with Soldier, and it did not come up during that discussion.

And if it only almost gives credence, I think it does not help your point.

I don't like bs, and I do not use it when I present an argument.

Cheyenne told me the whole time if you read the logs that TGR was strictly neutral. So, I guess he just lied then right? Played me for a fool? We'll discuss dropping the treaty while deciding on war plans in another thread? I believe he thought if he didn't cancel first I would've called him on it. I probably would've asked why you didn't come in for us had the treaty not been dropped and you still went to war with NSO. You're actually making me believe my paranoid rants in those logs.

It's a pretty big almost.

I was talking about Cheyenne trying to BS me but that's good to know I guess.

Edited May 9, 2009 by magicninja

[Vasuda]

Edit: Nevermind.

Edited May 9, 2009 by Vasuda

[Haflinger]

It would be much better for Soldier if they were to let this thread die.

Perhaps you missed it, but Soldier disbanded.

[Vasuda]

Perhaps you missed it, but Soldier disbanded.

Yes, I just saw that. Now this thread is just even more sad because it is now just Magicninja and his personal grudge against Chey.

[magicninja]

Yes, I just saw that. Now this thread is just even more sad because it is now just Magicninja and his personal grudge against Chey.

It's not really a grudge per se. Read the op again and tell me he wasn't taking shots at me. I'm just backing up what I said. I admitted I wasn't blameless or the nicest guy in the whole affair. In fact I probably do come off the worst. I however did apologize for my part.

[Erich Ludendorff]

Wow, obviously those logs justify everything. That's an absurd attitude to have with anyone, let alone a friend and treaty partner. If that is how you behave under pressure, maybe you should rethink taking leadership positions in the future. Cooler heads are better suited for the task, as Chey has shown.

...and if it's not blatant enough already, the reasons for the cancellation have nothing to do with the decision to defend our other treaty partner. I can't even imagine how one would come to that conclusion.

[Taget]

The problem with logs dumps is they tend to make everyone look foolish. This is no exception. And particularly not surprising since wartime raises anxieties and Magicninja in particular had a lot of garbage thrust upon him that he needed to sort out very quickly. For good or for ill.

But this is clearly a case of where one should let sleeping dogs lie. Learn from your mistakes and move on. In the end this was just an ODP between two protectorates. One of which doesn't even exist anymore.

[magicninja]

Wow, obviously those logs justify everything. That's an absurd attitude to have with anyone, let alone a friend and treaty partner. If that is how you behave under pressure, maybe you should rethink taking leadership positions in the future. Cooler heads are better suited for the task, as Chey has shown.

...and if it's not blatant enough already, the reasons for the cancellation have nothing to do with the decision to defend our other treaty partner. I can't even imagine how one would come to that conclusion.

I have actually. I've resigned myself from not doing anything in alliance gov for a loooong while. Not even deputy something or another. Damn it'll be sweet.

[Adrian LaCroix]

I can't see how that log dump is helping your case, quite frankly.