The Doctor Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Or, perhaps, those ridiculing you in the past are big enough to give you credit when you do something right. It doesn't make them hypocrites, maybe they are just calling it as they see it. You make a good point though if you look at it my way i am in a rather sticky ethical bind here argh i feel like an intellectual cripple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 NPO doesn't need to spread lies about you. You've just given GGA a casus belli for attack should they choose to use it. in b4 GGA CB jokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requia Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 No skin, really? So it never occured to GGA to move to the new forum and roll out the skin later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) NPO doesn't need to spread lies about you. You've just given GGA a casus belli for attack should they choose to use it. What, people need a CB now to attack someone? Geeze, you'd never have guessed it... in b4 GGA CB jokes You mean like that? No skin, really? So it never occured to GGA to move to the new forum and roll out the skin later? Apparently they're perfectionists in at least one thing. Edited March 18, 2009 by Arrnea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 No skin, really? So it never occured to GGA to move to the new forum and roll out the skin later? That's thinking outside the box. It gets people in trouble..or so I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requia Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) NPO doesn't need to spread lies about you. You've just given GGA a casus belli for attack should they choose to use it. NSO is only poaching *competent* members, those have got to be pretty rare in GGA by now. Edited March 18, 2009 by Requia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eye Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 A reminder to everyone that accusing other users of being trolls, trolling etc is not permitted here. That is discussing moderation issues outside the appropriate forum, and also OOC in an IC context. If you feel that a post is trolling, please report it in Report Forum Abuse or by PMing a moderator. Some of you have received nice PMs about this already . I'd tell you to stay on topic, but you seem to be doing a pretty good job of that, so ... keep it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 You make a good point though if you look at it my way i am in a rather sticky ethical bind here argh i feel like an intellectual cripple! It happens when you talk to the great Tyga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 NPO doesn't need to spread lies about you. You've just given GGA a casus belli for attack should they choose to use it. Yes, they have certainly provided a concrete casus belli by openly declaring the New Sith Order is "accepting membership applications". The horror! I certainly hope Invicta does not accept membership applications, otherwise you may just have a war on your hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Quick, Moo! Get GGA into a "war" so you can stop them all from joining NSO!Until you get that Berlin Wall up on your protectorate, NSO is accepting membership applications from competent former GGA members (edit:lol censor) who would like to see what real leadership is, as embodied in Ivan Moldavi. Click my sig for our recruitment message. If my post seems unnecessarily nasty, maybe it's because the "omg NPO censors" resonates as I was banned from #nsa by Bilrow yesterday by having the gall to question why NPO was spreading lies about me having uncompleted tech deals. The log is available if you PM me. Ugh, how unnecessary and embarrassing. No New Sith Order member below the rank of Sith Lord may post in this thread from here on out. Edited March 18, 2009 by Corinan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyria Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 GGA is 20 guys who actually post and 300+ who are more or less ghosts. They lose the forums, they lose everything. This post sounds so very familiar to an old alliance of mine. GGA is the exact same as GOLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksaber Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Yes, they have certainly provided a concrete casus belli by openly declaring the New Sith Order is "accepting membership applications". The horror! I certainly hope Invicta does not accept membership applications, otherwise you may just have a war on your hands! I am currently accepting membership applications. Let's fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Stuff The old GGA literacy curse strikes again. Seeing how I'm no longer a Chancellor....I guess it is safe for me to post again! LOL And again! I hate to interrupt this little discussion with facts, but: #1. GGA recently moved their forums off of Bilrow's servers. Bilrow hosted their forums long before he joined the NPO; in case you forgot he led the alliance after Prodigal Chieftain was removed. The NPO never had access nor wanted access beyond diplomatic status on GGA's forums. #2. I am in their channel by invitation; I have been asked several times to leave when they discuss sensitive issues and I do. If they do not want me there I will gladly leave. I am sure the same is true of DM. This, and Moo's other posts, is another one of those amazing little windows into what it was like to be an ally of the NPO for so long. but did they not then betray you and kick you from OV and say that all that Green sabre rattling was NpO pushing them into war? that doesn't sound very loyal to me. Hence why betrayal hurts so much. Also why this thread is so hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Well this thread certainly exploded overnight. Shane's post to it is a good read; thanks for writing that. It is worrying that the GGA allow an NPO member to host their forums and be in their governmental IRC; that really is colony status, particularly taken with Ironchef's post on the GGA boards and Dephire's post here which started the discussion. Not having a skin is no reason not to move forums from an insecure location. If necessary you can live with an unskinned board for a few days; forum skins are not that hard to find or make (and if you don't have anyone who can do it, $15m to a graphical designer would get you one I'm sure). The only reason I can see for still being on NPO-controlled boards is either direct pressure from the NPO to maintain dominion over GGA, or indirect pressure through the triumvirs to stall the process. It is an interesting point about the initial expulsion* that Degen was also present in that meeting. If Shane was plotting against the GGA's allies, then so was Degen. That really gives the lie to that line of defence. And, as I said earlier, Shane has gone to an alliance which has most of the same allies as the GGA – so clearly he is not rabidly anti-NPO or anti-IRON. I think you can see from his post that he is pro-sovereignty and pro-thought – things which are clearly beyond the pale in the GGA. Would GGA be rolled if they were cast off? That depends if the many alliances they have wronged over the years (never using their own strength, always using their allies as leverage) could get over their laughter at the GGA's dramatic fall from grace to actually declare war. The GGA are not even a worthwhile enemy these days. But sometimes a rolling is needed to exorcise past demons: ask Polaris about that, or even Pacifica, who would claim that GW1 was vital to their successes since then. Until the GGA comes out from under Pacifica's skirt, there will be no incentive for any other alliance to take them seriously, and no incentive for thinking nation rulers to join (or remain) there. You've already joined the ICP and CSN as alliances to lose a sanction in peacetime and there's a reason for that. Re NSO: Sileath's post was not classy, and clearly not sanctioned (see Corinan slapping down the gag order). But the GGA doesn't care about CBs, it only cares about whether it can bring its big brothers to the fight – it couldn't even take NSO alone. *: yes I know it was technically not an expulsion but it was one in all but the legal niceties. Edited March 18, 2009 by Bob Janova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im317 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 i would just like to point out that even without the one vision treaty GGA still holds individual MADPs with each of the other members of one vision. think on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 i would just like to point out that even without the one vision treaty GGA still holds individual MADPs with each of the other members of one vision. think on that. Precedent shows that leaving One Vision also takes said MADPs with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephriam Grey Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 When did GGA leave 1V? I really was gone awhile, hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 but did they not then betray you and kick you from OV and say that all that Green sabre rattling was NpO pushing them into war? that doesn't sound very loyal to me. Yeah, the NPO divide and conquer tactic is remarkably effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 What, people need a CB now to attack someone? Geeze, you'd never have guessed it.. A CB isn't even enough if they don't want it. He'll even find his way into NPO-unrelated discussions and start throwing his words around. When did GGA leave 1V?I really was gone awhile, hm. They haven't. Read deeper. Tho - you could go away longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im317 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Precedent shows that leaving One Vision also takes said MADPs with you. i don't know all my CN history that well, but has an alliance every left one vision voluntarily before? i don't know of such a case, which means there is no precedent. but please release me of my ignorance if i am mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Soviet Attack Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 When did GGA leave 1V?I really was gone awhile, hm. They didn't, people are just speculating on what would happen if they did. On a brighter note, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephriam Grey Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) NPO doesn't need to spread lies about you. You've just given GGA a casus belli for attack should they choose to use it. EDIT: Oh, nevermind. I don't need another warn. Edited March 18, 2009 by Ephriam Grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 i don't know all my CN history that well, but has an alliance every left one vision voluntarily before? i don't know of such a case, which means there is no precedent. but please release me of my ignorance if i am mistaken. The New Polar Order voluntarily left One Vision like Shaneprice voluntarily left the GGA. There was an vote for our expulsion underway and I believe we left just before it closed. We then lost all the MADPs and were attacked. The GGA understands this and stated as such in the screenshots. To leave One Vision is to incur the wrath of the NPO, and for the GGA, that would be their death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephriam Grey Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 A CB isn't even enough if they don't want it. He'll even find his way into NPO-unrelated discussions and start throwing his words around.They haven't. Read deeper. Tho - you could go away longer. But, without me, y'all wouldn't have those snazzy UJA graphics Also Hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) The New Polar Order voluntarily left One Vision like Shaneprice voluntarily left the GGA. There was an vote for our expulsion underway and I believe we left just before it closed. We then lost all the MADPs and were attacked. The GGA understands this and stated as such in the screenshots.To leave One Vision is to incur the wrath of the NPO, and for the GGA, that would be their death. Sounds similiar to another incident from about a year or so ago involving NPO/GGA and ummm .. Let me think ... Who was it? But, without me, y'all wouldn't have those snazzy UJA graphics Also Hello. lol - take a look at the new forum. I've been redoing the graphics btw - answer your damn msn once in a while haha Edited March 18, 2009 by Rayvon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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