Socialist Peoples Army: Announcement of Existance

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

Vos gave us one option, peace out. Now... What was the other thing we could do before getting kicked out without disobeying our dictator? We left, big deal, we knew our charter, thats why we f******* left. You guys are whining for no reason.

 

Oh thanks for the welcome since this is a Annoucement of Existence, glad it didn't turn into one of those things where people get stupid and blame everyone without seeing from all sides.

 

Worst experience I've had since I joined. 10 out of 10 times would not go to a cult organization like Guinness.

 

Everyone was great, I just didn't like how Vos was trying to get by just by calling it a democracy, we've had it, with the changing of legal documents and the charter without asking. I'm not standing around doing nothing, letting Vos do MY job as FA. I left for SPA because I knew anyone with a common sense in Guinness would see SPA as a democratic alliance in which was superior to Guinness. I was right, over 3/4s of the active membership transferred over to SPA, and growing.

 

10 out of 10 times would do again.

You could have waited a bit longer to leave. You did literally the worst possible thing you could have done

[Chancellor Genroii]

 Your reason for leaving is because peace was agreed to without a vote..  so that means you wanted to keep fighting.  Why use the alliance you want to keep fighting as a protector?  

 

No... I was tired of Vos doing things he shouldn't be. but yeah, I'm not very fond of LT and RIOT, but guess what...

 

It's temporary.

 

I'm looking for a civilized alliance, with reasonable people. Unlike you fools ;)

 

I have nothing against Guinness or it's charter. I was Chancellor of State and loved it. But Vos was sneaking things in the charter and doing secret negotiations without me. Now with how he's acting, I'd say payback's a bitch.

[thejoshknight]

 Your reason for leaving is because peace was agreed to without a vote..  so that means you wanted to keep fighting.  Why use the alliance you want to keep fighting as a protector?  

 

The point was that we didn't vote. I don't know how the vote would have turned out.

[Chancellor Genroii]

You could have waited a bit longer to leave. You did literally the worst possible thing you could have done

 

RIOT was going to destroy us if we didn't leave.

 

We were forced out of our homes. Though I'd say for some of us, it was a good idea to.

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

 

RIOT was going to destroy us if we didn't leave.

 

We were forced out of our homes. Though I'd say for some of us, it was a good idea to.

And now you pretty much destroyed any reputation you could have had. Good trade off right there :v

[thejoshknight]

You could have waited a bit longer to leave. You did literally the worst possible thing you could have done

 

And I'm sorry for that. If I knew we would be percieved as traitors by some people I would have waited a day. Honestly, it never crossed my mind. I wasn't involved in the fighting, and it would have been perfectly ok if I got demolished. The war, in terms of me fighting and losing or winning, had nothing to do with it. It's truly only the vote for me.

[Chancellor Genroii]

And now you pretty much destroyed any reputation you could have had. Good trade off right there :v

 

Well. That's the cost of freedom. Now, if you think whatever it 'looked' like was what happened, that's your loss. But we weren't abandoning ANYONE, why? Cause they're pretty much all with us, except Vos and Blackeyebilly and Ceres. The other two, Redarmy and Sergei might as well be the only traitors, they left Guinness and didn't even stay with us. :( But that's alright, they'll always be in my heart.

 

So, reputation may be down. But what were the choices? Be stuck with Vos? Get destroyed by LT and RIOT then leave? Or do what's best for the Alliance and save everyone's skins by reforming?

Edited June 6, 2014 by Chancellor Genroii

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

What looked like the "best for the alliance" was only good in the short-run. It would have been better for you all to be wrecked and then leave (and if what you guys are saying about Vos is true) with praise than do this and be marked for the rest of your careers. People still talk about shit from over 6 years ago and still judge people for it.

[Chancellor Genroii]

Well I guess that's on us for wanting our smaller nations to be safe because of some bad decisions made by others.

 

We're not bad guys, we are all great friends with each other, before and after SPA. But Vos has blocked everyone who left out. I have offered to help him rebuild. He just told everyone leave. We are banned from their forums, my embassy request was removed, and we were kicked from the public channel.

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

You haven't ensured the safety of your nations. To do that you need to sign more than one treaty and good luck in that endeavor. 

 

Also, your second paragraph tends to happen when you get a large percentage of an alliance to leave in the middle of a war and ally with the opposing side. 

[Chancellor Genroii]

You haven't ensured the safety of your nations. To do that you need to sign more than one treaty and good luck in that endeavor. 

 

Also, your second paragraph tends to happen when you get a large percentage of an alliance to leave in the middle of a war and ally with the opposing side. 

 

Oh... You mean stopping an entire bombardment of RIOT? Oh no, I wouldn't call that safe... That's more like mildly safe, since you know, we need more treaties with RIOT and Lavender Town to ensure they will never touch us again. What do you think protectorate means?

 

Well that says something doesn't it? A large percentage leaves Vos and suddenly he looks like a victim? I don't think so, if we all left for the same reasons, there is no need to view him as the victim. We were the victims, and did something about it.

 

I tried to get you to understand, but I can't, that's okay. Because you're only ignorant and refuse to be grateful of a new alliance coming forth from just winning it's independence.

 

Oh, I plan to make more treaties. Already have one working up, so thank you for the luck.

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

I am actually saying that it would have been a lot wiser for you all to wait until this war was over. I am not making any judgement about what you are saying about Vos. Pros and cons of waiting.

 

Cons: You low-tier nations get wrecked (and fixed with one round of aid)

 

Pros: You don't look terrible and scar your reputations. You give more attention (assuming what you say about Vos is true) to how terrible Vos is and why you are justified in leaving Guinness. 

 

I am not saying Vos is a victim, I am saying you look like cowardly traitors for this when you could have saved all this trouble by waiting.

[Montosh]

 

IRON lecturing about cowardice and morality after failing to activate your mandatory defense clause with NG... are you kidding me? IRON are every bit the low life snakes in the grass as the pinheads you are condemning.

 

Pointing out something completely irrelevant to the argument. Interesting. Not even sure why, you seem to agree about how cowardly these people have acted. But each to his own I suppose.

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

Last time I checked, I am not IRON the alliance, I am a member of IRON. This is something that needs to be reminded since people in here seem to think that being a part of an alliance=full support for whatever the alliance does. If you looked at my nation you would see I rejoined right before the war ended

[Chancellor Genroii]

I appreciate it Angel, I hope no feelings were hurt or anything like that. I'm just trying to let everyone know, I was proud to be in Guinness and took my job very seriously (even though I am a very silly person) and tried to make it more effective by implementing new ideas to FA. So leaving Guinness was hard for me, I just like to think, new forum, same people. And that usually cheers me up because I love the people here at SPA, they were great at Guinness, and no doubt they're going to be AWESOME at SPA.

 

I'm done bickering for the day, I said what I needed to say, and stand by it. 

 

Chancellor Genroii

Socialist Party Alliance

People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs

 

- Temporarily here for reference -

Former Chancellor of State at Guinness

Edited June 6, 2014 by Chancellor Genroii

[conistonslim]

 

Pointing out something completely irrelevant to the argument. Interesting. Not even sure why, you seem to agree about how cowardly these people have acted. But each to his own I suppose.

 

Members leave alliance at war, join the other side=pieces of !@#$

IRON fails to defend ally on a mandatory defense clause, join the other side=pieces of !@#$

 

IRON gov lecturing about cowardice= hypocrite.

 

  
 

Edited June 6, 2014 by conistonslim

[AngelCruzdelaSant]

 

Members leave alliance at war, join the other side=pieces of !@#$

IRON fails to defend ally on a mandatory defense clause, join the other side=pieces of !@#$

 

IRON gov lecturing about cowardice= hypocrite.

 

  
 

Literally every alliance on Planet Bob are hypocrites (except maybe the neutrals?). Every single one of them. That is what politics are. Hypocrisy also doesn't make what you say any less true. IRON may have done that, it doesn't make whatt the SPA did any better or worse

[KenoCore]

From the looks of things, Guinness & it's former members are both at fault. however, the decision to get peace without discussion is the lesser of two evils the other being desertion during war.  Anyone who promotes war and then abandons said war and their fellow alliance members are the worst of people. stay till the end then leave.

EDIT: Just read the laws of Guiness. Don't grasp at one law and then abandon another one. you are all hypocrites.

Edited June 6, 2014 by KenoCore

[Scorn]

 

Well. That's the cost of freedom. Now, if you think whatever it 'looked' like was what happened, that's your loss. But we weren't abandoning ANYONE, why? Cause they're pretty much all with us, except Vos and Blackeyebilly and Ceres. The other two, Redarmy and Sergei might as well be the only traitors, they left Guinness and didn't even stay with us. :( But that's alright, they'll always be in my heart.

 

So, reputation may be down. But what were the choices? Be stuck with Vos? Get destroyed by LT and RIOT then leave? Or do what's best for the Alliance and save everyone's skins by reforming?

The only skins you seem to be concerned about are your own. Why do people think that about you? Because there are 9 nations still on the Guinness AA and all of NSF that do not have peace currently. Did anyone even talk to NSF about any issue: peace, dissatisfaction with your war minister, fear for the cash flow and infrastructure of your own nation, BEFORE approaching Riot Society about a protectorate treaty?

 

Because it looks like the nations that you accepted peace with are already going back into the fight with those you left behind.

[Masterchief777]

Maybe Guinness would have been better with a leader that listened to the alliance?
or 
Maybe Guinness would have been better off with a true democracy instead of a Shadow Tyrannical Leadership?
 
We can play this game all day, but if anyone wants to know the reasoning of us leaving then come to #Socialist and ask any member....

You're such a garbage liar. Vos nearly had a munity from you pixel lovers when wanted to go to the table one more time with LT. Like I told you, find a good full protector. You'll need it soon. Edited June 6, 2014 by Masterchief777

[CnaedmacAilpn]

 

The point was that we didn't vote. I don't know how the vote would have turned out.

So let me get this straight, in a democratic alliance, you jumped ship without democratic process.  You guys are the lowest of the low, even more so because those members who decide not to run away like cowards are still fiughting.  Well don, your running away has made LT and Co's job so much easier.

 

 

RIOT was going to destroy us if we didn't leave.

 

We were forced out of our homes. Though I'd say for some of us, it was a good idea to.

So you ran away, saved your own worthless skins and are quite happy to let the others do the bleeding for you, god luck with ever getting any really trustworthy allies.

 

Well I guess that's on us for wanting our smaller nations to be safe because of some bad decisions made by others.

 

We're not bad guys, we are all great friends with each other, before and after SPA. But Vos has blocked everyone who left out. I have offered to help him rebuild. He just told everyone leave. We are banned from their forums, my embassy request was removed, and we were kicked from the public channel.

That surprises you?  Lucky for you they are all tied up in the war you ran away from.  Most alliances would have you on a ZI list for what you did.

 

You haven't ensured the safety of your nations. To do that you need to sign more than one treaty and good luck in that endeavor. 

 

Also, your second paragraph tends to happen when you get a large percentage of an alliance to leave in the middle of a war and ally with the opposing side. 

 

This^^

The only skins you seem to be concerned about are your own. Why do people think that about you? Because there are 9 nations still on the Guinness AA and all of NSF that do not have peace currently. Did anyone even talk to NSF about any issue: peace, dissatisfaction with your war minister, fear for the cash flow and infrastructure of your own nation, BEFORE approaching Riot Society about a protectorate treaty?

 

Because it looks like the nations that you accepted peace with are already going back into the fight with those you left behind.

This^^

[Franz Ferdinand]

Literally every alliance on Planet Bob are hypocrites (except maybe the neutrals?). Every single one of them. That is what politics are. Hypocrisy also doesn't make what you say any less true. IRON may have done that, it doesn't make whatt the SPA did any better or worse

Lavender Town surely aren't hypocrites?

[Chancellor Genroii]

So let me get this straight, in a democratic alliance, you jumped ship without democratic process.  You guys are the lowest of the low, even more so because those members who decide not to run away like cowards are still fiughting.  Well don, your running away has made LT and Co's job so much easier.

 

So you ran away, saved your own worthless skins and are quite happy to let the others do the bleeding for you, god luck with ever getting any really trustworthy allies.

 

That surprises you?  Lucky for you they are all tied up in the war you ran away from.  Most alliances would have you on a ZI list for what you did.

 

 

This^^

This^^

 

Correction- Semi-democratic (btw is not in any way democratic, if we voted no on laws, the Provost could ratify it if he wanted to)

 

What others? They didn't have to stay, SPA is basically whatever Guinness lost that ended up doing REAL diplomacy and got our butts safe.

 

I didn't say it surprised me... It was more of an immature move on his part.

 

I still don't understand how people are so ignorant. "What we did" saved most of the alliance, SPA talked up a treaty when Vos was in his own imaginary world thinking the alliance was at peace.

 

We would love to help, but as you agreed to, we were banned from Guinness. And I'm no longer in the mood to do anything with Guinness.

[Auctor]

We would love to help, but as you agreed to, we were banned from Guinness. And I'm no longer in the mood to do anything with Guinness.

Oddly enough, there are a lot of alliances that don't really look to their wartime deserters for help.

[keeology]

 

Correction- Semi-democratic (btw is not in any way democratic, if we voted no on laws, the Provost could ratify it if he wanted to)

 

What others? They didn't have to stay, SPA is basically whatever Guinness lost that ended up doing REAL diplomacy and got our butts safe.

 

I didn't say it surprised me... It was more of an immature move on his part.

 

I still don't understand how people are so ignorant. "What we did" saved most of the alliance, SPA talked up a treaty when Vos was in his own imaginary world thinking the alliance was at peace.

 

We would love to help, but as you agreed to, we were banned from Guinness. And I'm no longer in the mood to do anything with Guinness.

 

I think we get what your saying. I don't think your getting what everyone else is saying. What we are reading is Riot is going to destroy us so we bailed out, because we didn't get to vote. we ran to save our own skins instead of sticking with our AA and leaving once peace is reached and leave on good terms. I mean do as you wish but everyone is right this has done 0 good for SPA and when you go looking for permanent protectors this will come up. So best of luck out there SPA maybe when you find a protector they can lend you a back bone as well.