Neo Uruk Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Guinness are better off without themOn one hand, they left during a war.On the other, it was an aggressive war that they were tricked into thinking wouldn't hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Guinness are better off without them I'm pretty sure Guinness is disbanding. They just asked to confirm they wouldn't be pursued if they did disband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar Vladimir Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Maybe Guinness are better off without spineless cowards who stab their alliance in the back before siding with the then enemy. Maybe Guinness would have been better with a leader that listened to the alliance? or Maybe Guinness would have been better off with a true democracy instead of a Shadow Tyrannical Leadership? We can play this game all day, but if anyone wants to know the reasoning of us leaving then come to #Socialist and ask any member.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanth Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Maybe Guinness would have been better with a leader that listened to the alliance? or Maybe Guinness would have been better off with a true democracy instead of a Shadow Tyrannical Leadership? We can play this game all day, but if anyone wants to know the reasoning of us leaving then come to #Socialist and ask any member.... Funny how the only people sideing with you are the people you were at war with before you lost your collective nerve and turned coward. Yeah you guys are cowards and you have been played by your enemy. Enjoy the legacy of cowardice and ultimately failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CnaedmacAilpn Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 On one hand, they left during a war. On the other, it was an aggressive war that they were tricked into thinking wouldn't hurt them. If anyone other than you had said that, it may have meant something. Sadly, it was not an aggressive war, they were consistently raided. But they should enjoy their moment of treachery and cowardice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CnaedmacAilpn Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Maybe Guinness would have been better with a leader that listened to the alliance? or Maybe Guinness would have been better off with a true democracy instead of a Shadow Tyrannical Leadership? We can play this game all day, but if anyone wants to know the reasoning of us leaving then come to #Socialist and ask any member.... If you keep telling yourself that often enough, who knows, even you might believe it. You abandoned your alliance in a war, then sided the enemy, what else is there worth knowing about the stuff your alliance is made of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Congrats to the Socialist Coward Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brezhnev Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Thanks for your heartwarming support Arturo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancellor Genroii Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 If you keep telling yourself that often enough, who knows, even you might believe it. You abandoned your alliance in a war, then sided the enemy, what else is there worth knowing about the stuff your alliance is made of. For the one hundreth time, OUR CORRUPT LEADER TOLD US WE WERE AT PEACE. So, yes it would make sense for you to believe whatever you saw happened because it's true. But we left because we had been told that peace was made without anyone's consult. We left, end of story. Congrats to the Socialist Coward Army. And thank you so much! I've appreciated all the warm welcomes. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoshknight Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) If you keep telling yourself that often enough, who knows, even you might believe it. You abandoned your alliance in a war, then sided the enemy, what else is there worth knowing about the stuff your alliance is made of. More than half of the alliances active members left and most are with SPA now, I'm not sure how you can phrase that as "abandonment." If 2 or 3 did, sure, but there's more active Guiness members in SPA than in Guinness itself. The CN stats back it up. Clearly in game activity isn't an end all be all, but there are 9 ex guinness nations active in SPA, and 3 active current Guinness members. That seems like a migration to me. And I really don't know how many more times we can show logs that prove peace had been reached. Edited June 5, 2014 by thejoshknight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CnaedmacAilpn Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 More than half of the alliances active members left and most are with SPA now, I'm not sure how you can phrase that as "abandonment." If 2 or 3 did, sure, but there's more active Guiness members in SPA than in Guinness itself. That seems like a migration to me. And I really don't know how many more times we can show logs that prove peace had been reached. So you admit then that you poached the members, because normally that many people do not leave at once, not without a lot of talking behind the scenes. As I have already said, no matter what you say, you poached, you betrayed and then ran straight to the enemies you had been fighting (or in a lot of your cases not), sorry but that is by the very definition treason and cowardice. Have a nice existence, good luck with trying to shake that stigma off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoshknight Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 So you admit then that you poached the members, because normally that many people do not leave at once, not without a lot of talking behind the scenes. As I have already said, no matter what you say, you poached, you betrayed and then ran straight to the enemies you had been fighting (or in a lot of your cases not), sorry but that is by the very definition treason and cowardice. Have a nice existence, good luck with trying to shake that stigma off. Uh, no. I made a post( as a member of Guinness) pointing out that we were not a functioning democracy. Some people agreed with me, and left because of that. Others had left before me for their own reasons. Others left after for other reasons. I had talked to no one before last night. I had no plan on who to join when I resigned. I was willing to be unalligned and get whacked if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelCruzdelaSant Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 I usually don't believe peace has been reached until an announcement is made and I'm not being attacked anymore. Regardless if you guys were told by Vosegus that peace was reached, no one else was and so you look like cowards. This is pure idiocy. It would not have hurt you guys to stay in guinness a few more days until an actual announcement was made to save you guys all this trouble. But now you guys will be forever branded as deserters. Please join the yellow sphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 You wanted a vote on peace? Who has time for that idiocy, you need a leader to call decisions on a minute by minute basis during war. Now Bob has to suffer the stupidity of LSF lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 You wanted a vote on peace? Who has time for that idiocy, you need a leader to call decisions on a minute by minute basis during war. Now Bob has to suffer the stupidity of LSF lite. Voting on peace and being consulted are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Fantastic. Really, fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brezhnev Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Thanks Nemhauser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancellor Genroii Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Thanks for the warm welcome Nemhauser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 For sale: one sarcasm meter, one careful owner, slightly soiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 If anyone other than you had said that, it may have meant something. Sadly, it was not an aggressive war, they were consistently raided. But they should enjoy their moment of treachery and cowardiceWhy does the fact that I said it negate it? I run towards war, not from it. I'm just saying that given the perspective that this is a bunch of new people who were led by a complete tool, it's entirely possible they didn't know what was happening.As for the war, it was indeed aggressive. If I am raided, peace out, and then decide to strike again, I am the aggressor. I doubt I will ever say otherwise. The time to post your DoW is when you're being raided for the third time. You also don't call it a "retaliatory raid," and your protector should be past that petty shit as well. NSF and Guinness, without question, are being aggressive. There are several routes they could have taken that could have led to a defensive war declaration being posted; instead, they opted to do the thing that made the least sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montosh Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) You get them into a war for you and leave them to fight it out. Good job, real brave. The fact that you didn't get to vote on peace is irrelevant, you were members, you should know your own charter. And please don't claim you were deceived about peace. Generally OWF announcements follow the internal announcement, not the other way around. Unless you show an actual valid reason for deserting in the middle of a war(and trust me, that has to be a really good reason), then you should be regarded as no more than cowards. However, I often find that some people who join these cowardly ventures are deceived by their creators into thinking it was the right thing to do. I hope that they recognize that they have made a mistake, and that Guinness will forgive them if they do. Edited June 6, 2014 by Montosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Mmmmmm, smell the controversy. A rough way to start, getting mud all over your name before even leaving the house. Well, good luck I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancellor Genroii Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Vos gave us one option, peace out. Now... What was the other thing we could do before getting kicked out without disobeying our dictator? We left, big deal, we knew our charter, thats why we f******* left. You guys are whining for no reason. Oh thanks for the welcome since this is a Annoucement of Existence, glad it didn't turn into one of those things where people get stupid and blame everyone without seeing from all sides. Worst experience I've had since I joined. 10 out of 10 times would not go to a cult organization like Guinness. Everyone was great, I just didn't like how Vos was trying to get by just by calling it a democracy, we've had it, with the changing of legal documents and the charter without asking. I'm not standing around doing nothing, letting Vos do MY job as FA. I left for SPA because I knew anyone with a common sense in Guinness would see SPA as a democratic alliance in which was superior to Guinness. I was right, over 3/4s of the active membership transferred over to SPA, and growing. 10 out of 10 times would do again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conistonslim Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 You get them into a war for you and leave them to fight it out. Good job, real brave. The fact that you didn't get to vote on peace is irrelevant, you were members, you should know your own charter. And please don't claim you were deceived about peace. Generally OWF announcements follow the internal announcement, not the other way around. Unless you show an actual valid reason for deserting in the middle of a war(and trust me, that has to be a really good reason), then you should be regarded as no more than cowards. However, I often find that some people who join these cowardly ventures are deceived by their creators into thinking it was the right thing to do. I hope that they recognize that they have made a mistake, and that Guinness will forgive them if they do. IRON lecturing about cowardice and morality after failing to activate your mandatory defense clause with NG... are you kidding me? IRON are every bit the low life snakes in the grass as the pinheads you are condemning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shavar Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Your reason for leaving is because peace was agreed to without a vote.. so that means you wanted to keep fighting. Why use the alliance you want to keep fighting as a protector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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