PresidentDavid Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Lynneth and Mara and others I miss y'all..... I wish I could get on IRC but for some reason COLDFRONT doesn't want to run on my campus's wifi/server. I don't know what it is. If y'all want to talk to me just send me a message or we can get on a different IRC server. My work load is getting more manageable so I look forward to posting more with all of you soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/123601-gruenreich-news-events-and-information/#entry3317710^ To get this conversation out of my thread...1. No, Grünreich has no lands in Germany. It is a Saxon nation that is in Greenland.2. No, I am not asking permission to be in a RP. My request can be implied by my having wanted to roll in, and Lynneth's denial of it can be implied by his having said "that is my protectorate" rather than adding me to the map.3. No, this is not some call-out against him or anyone else, but yeah, I really think protectorates are dumb. Sue me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) The most responsible use of protectorates is to regulate who is your immediate neighbor; this of course is rarely how they're used. Edited October 7, 2014 by Uberstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 You know I got plenty of back yard I'm willing to share Hereno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggressivenutmeg Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 You can be Switzerland if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 The most responsible use of protectorates is to regulate who is your immediate neighbor; this of course is rarely how they're used. I disagree entirely with this. The most responsible use of a protectorate is as a strategic tool against other in-game nations. The anti-colonial protectorates, for example, are good. They keep land from being divided up by bored/disinterested current nations that could be used by new people rolling in, and function strictly as a way of denying a landing platform to others who would use it as a place to launch an invasion of your mainland territories.But that isn't how they are used. How they are used is exactly what you said: to pick and choose who is allowed to RP near you. I think that is preposterous and against the spirit of good RP. A good RPer is willing to do what Mogar did: allow a threat to roll in near him anyway, even though it might fuck him over in the long run, because the health of the RP is more important than his individual nation's success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 The problem is we are not really playing a collaborative RP game in which people are concerned with a storyline, all that apparently matters to one faction is detailed military information and diplomacy, everything else is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted October 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Ah yes because letting trolls or needlessly antagonistic people roll next to me is "healthy for the rp." Protectorates can keep an RP healthy by preventing assholes from rolling nations. If one finds themself in a situation where nobody is willing to give land, then one should ask "why don't people like me?" It's the same way that a GM in a tabletop campaign can deny people from playing if they are disruptive or inappropriate. Only it's the community, not a single GM, policing such things. You're not in that situation, several have offered space to you; you're just too proud to accept it. No, you'd rather grandstand. Hell I thought I was bad with my rage quits and returns but somehow you reroll and quit in protest every few weeks, or so it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) There is a certain faction that constantly cries that cnrp2 is collaborative and fair, but all they do is annex territory and invade people without any real cause. God bless CNRP reborn and the new founding fathers. Edited October 7, 2014 by Justinian the Mighty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Collaborative assumes the people who roll in on our borders are intending on collaborating, not going outright hostile and stabbing you in the back becauase the world isn't going to another faction's liking. The founding fathers had it right, the corruption simply has not been contained. The OOC tomfoolery continues despite every peace branch extended. Worse, I hear a lot of it has to do with behind the scenes "sexual favors". Digusts me. Edited October 7, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Collaborative assumes the people who roll in on our borders are intending on collaborating, not going outright hostile and stabbing you in the back becauase the world isn't going to another faction's liking. The founding fathers had it right, the corruption simply has not been contained. The OOC tomfoolery continues despite every peace branch extended. Worse, I hear a lot of it has to do with behind the scenes "sexual favors". Digusts me. Well that's an interesting and surprising twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestari Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Well that's an interesting and surprising twist. Yeah, and probably one that's completely full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 I for one wish it were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Cat is out of the bag, Triyun I guess our relationship is public, thought I am sorry to say that we can't continue, I am not ready to come out of the closet yet, I will have to be leaving you for Centurius. We will always have Paris~. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Oh gosh darn. If there is evidence it is against the rule for OOC/IC barrier, given how much the term is thrown around if there is evidence it should be made public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) Because IRC logs prove so much. The people involved know who they are.. and I'm not saying that any particular group is immune to this corruption. Edited October 8, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Because IRC logs prove so much. So it's non-existent. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) I wish it were, but I am aware of it. It is not my place to air everyone's dirty laundry. It's a nice little game we're playing."It exists.""No, you're a liar.""Trust me, it is happening, but I am not going to stoop so low as to dump that content on this forum.""No, you're a liar."Sounds like a pair of school children. Edited October 8, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I wish it were, but I am aware of it. It is not my place to air everyone's dirty laundry. It's a nice little game we're playing. "It exists." "No, you're a liar." "Trust me, it is happening, but I am not going to stoop so low as to dump that content on this forum." "No, you're a liar." Sounds like a pair of school children. Then you don't bring it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) I bring it up because it is part of the problem underlying the ooc conflicts in this community which is driving some of its more destructive action. People want to know where it's coming from... and have complained about it.. well.. now they know part of it. Edited October 8, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Less Whining, More Killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I'm totally on board with Lyser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 My solution is simple. Expel anyone over 50k from cnrp2. It was clearly a huge mistake to allow any of you in, optionally or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 If its effecting the whole community, and clearly violating the rules it should be shared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 It's the same arguments that have been made in the past only with different words and phrases, just give it all a rest and stop talking about it. This forum is getting full up of whining and complaining and it really needs to come to a stop now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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