Saxplayer Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I have compiled the scores for the Top 80 alliances and put them together in the graph here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq1r-Sz_6FrzdERmZkpMYVlDd3dlSlEzSXN4ZTg5UVE#gid=0 All of the Alliances were sorted in to spheres based on the treaties I was able to find on the wiki. An alliance would be included in a Sphere if, 1 It was in the Bloc that the Sphere was for 2 If they had a direct Treaty with a Member of one of these Blocs, or 3 Their only treaties were with Alliances that were in one certain Sphere. Most of the Alliances in the "Other" Catagory have treaties with more than one bloc. Edited February 20, 2014 by Saxplayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Very nicely done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Can we narrow it down to NS ranges that actually matter and refine that graph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There are a lot more than just 4 spheres. Every alliance has their own interests and their own private sphere, even those in blocs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Can we narrow it down to NS ranges that actually matter and refine that graph? i.e. "I don't like these numbers, make them go away." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 i.e. "I don't like these numbers, make them go away." To the suggestion box! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxplayer Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There are a lot more than just 4 spheres. Every alliance has their own interests and their own private sphere, even those in blocs. Yes you do have a point there, but would you not agree that these are the major spheres, or at least the biggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejack Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Very pleasantly put together. I rather like being part of the 'Other' Menace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) To the suggestion box! Polardoxia is not exploiting weaknesses in game mechanics, but she is benefiting from strength of leadership and vision. Only the former can be affected by the suggestion box. Edited February 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coloradia Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Meh. Any comparisons utilizing alliance score are inferior to begin with. Edited February 20, 2014 by Coloradia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penedono Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Cant' see a number on the AZTEC slice. Confirms what I always suspected: We defy quantification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Cant' see a number on the AZTEC slice. Confirms what I always suspected: We defy quantification. I have also come to this conclusion. Very nice document and i do enjoy statistics :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Yes you do have a point there, but would you not agree that these are the major spheres, or at least the biggest. I would argue that saying IRON is not in a "sphere" is somewhat inaccurate, given how central they are to the expected politics over the next year. Likewise, "Polardoxia" is more two distinct spheres (XX and "Platysphere") that have come together only in the last war - much like multiple spheres have come together in previous wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 This is poorly done. I'm going to do it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I would argue that saying IRON is not in a "sphere" is somewhat inaccurate, given how central they are to the expected politics over the next year. Likewise, "Polardoxia" is more two distinct spheres (XX and "Platysphere") that have come together only in the last war - much like multiple spheres have come together in previous wars. Letum: beacon of accuracy. I think things are so muddled right now it's tough to properly divvy up the pie. An alliance like IRON surely should be heading some sphere with all its NS and treaty ties yet nothing up there reflects that. On the other end of the spectrum, there are alliances that have stuck out of spheres pretty effectively - are they just "Other", or are they lumped in with spheres they're only somewhat connected to, or what? And I definitely see Platysphere and Polarsphere as separate entities. I'd say Polarsphere/Aftermath is a more feasible combo thanks to all the common treaties there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sorry if I wasn't clear before. It sucks because of lack of info.. Minimum Number of Spheres you need, imo: - BFF sphere (NEW/FEAR/WP/DB4D/Kaskus) - Platy (TOP/DD/Umb/VE/MI6/GOONS) - Sentinel (GDA, UPN, NADC, MCXA, CCC, CRAP, TTK), - XX (Fark, NPL, Polaris, MHA Sparta, AO, KN, GO, Invicta, Legion), - US (RnR, NATO, TIO), - IRON (IRON, Argent, AI, Val), - NPO (NSO, NG, TPF), - C&G (ODN, GATO, TLR) - DL (UCR, OG, RIA, SL, LSF, SWF) Misc: STA, HB, LoSS Also should include all stat categories.. you want me to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sorry if I wasn't clear before. It sucks because of lack of info.. Minimum Number of Spheres you need, imo: - BFF sphere (NEW/FEAR/WP/DB4D/Kaskus) - Platy (TOP/DD/Umb/VE/MI6/GOONS) - Sentinel (GDA, UPN, NADC, MCXA, CCC, CRAP, TTK), - XX (Fark, NPL, Polaris, MHA Sparta, AO, KN, GO, Invicta, Legion), - US (RnR, NATO, TIO), - IRON (IRON, Argent, AI, Val), - NPO (NSO, NG, TPF), - C&G (ODN, GATO, TLR) - DL (UCR, OG, RIA, SL, LSF, SWF) Misc: STA, HB, LoSS Also should include all stat categories.. you want me to do it? A few points: -Is Kaskus treatied to any BFF alliance other than NEW? If so, please tell me. This is a minor point. -Bang-up job on Platysphere, although I think it's a pretty basic one. -You have a lot of Aftermath in the "Sentinel" group, and Aftermath is much more powerful than Sentinel. -Polar and CCC not in the same group? Those two seem joined at the hip sometimes. -I'd put AI with NPO rather than IRON. -OG and RIA seem outside of DL. RIA is probably closer to either Polar/FARK or to other ex-SF alliances like GOD. -What about other alliances? A bunch of us feel left out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyt2k Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 TIO apparently has no direct ties to NPO or CnG, I really should update our treaty list then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Just to preface this, what I put above was off the top of my head which is why I didn't include everyone. -Is Kaskus treatied to any BFF alliance other than NEW? If so, please tell me. This is a minor point. No. -Bang-up job on Platysphere, although I think it's a pretty basic one. They don't seem to have little known/smaller alliances like most other spheres.. I guess I could throw MW in there. Nothing else comes to mind. -You have a lot of Aftermath in the "Sentinel" group, and Aftermath is much more powerful than Sentinel. -Polar and CCC not in the same group? Those two seem joined at the hip sometimes. I would rename the Sentinel group aftermath and leave it as it is after revisiting this. -I'd put AI with NPO rather than IRON. I wouldn't. Considering Duckroll seems to be the only thing driving AIs FA atm. -OG and RIA seem outside of DL. RIA is probably closer to either Polar/FARK or to other ex-SF alliances like GOD. OGs closest (and only afaik) is to UCR who is the main signatory of DL. So i would leave that as it is. As for RIA.. Fark is going one way, and R&R is going another. Rather than RIA being a glue that holds them together, I see them as an alliance that has opted for neither. GOD I would put with R&R, but they really have no direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Some of those seem less like "spheres" and more like clusters of AA's tugged along by common treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimos Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I would exclude neutrals on that pie chart. They operate outside our realm. I expected more from OP but nice attempt though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Eh, score isn't really a telling metric. History has shown us time and time again that score can easily be fluffed up and equally burnt away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunzzz Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Minimum Number of Spheres you need, imo: - BFF sphere (NEW/FEAR/WP/DB4D/Kaskus) - Platy (TOP/DD/Umb/VE/MI6/GOONS)- Sentinel (GDA, UPN, NADC, MCXA, CCC, CRAP, TTK), - XX (Fark, NPL, Polaris, MHA Sparta, AO, KN, GO, Invicta, Legion), - US (RnR, NATO, TIO), - IRON (IRON, Argent, AI, Val), - NPO (NSO, NG, TPF), - C&G (ODN, GATO, TLR)- DL (UCR, OG, RIA, SL, LSF, SWF) Misc: STA, HB, LoSS Maybe add AZTEC and a Doom sphere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Eh, score isn't really a telling metric. History has shown us time and time again that score can easily be fluffed up and equally burnt away. Number of WRC's might be interesting. Actually, how many nukes the alliance can buy per day overall - NS comes and goes like you say, but a 3mil NS alliance that can buy and fire say, 50 nukes is going to be at a disadvantage against a 2mil alliance that can buy and fire 75 nukes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I would argue that saying IRON is not in a "sphere" is somewhat inaccurate, given how central they are to the expected politics over the next year. Likewise, "Polardoxia" is more two distinct spheres (XX and "Platysphere") that have come together only in the last war - much like multiple spheres have come together in previous wars. Divide and conquer amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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