Maelstrom Vortex Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) They don't matter, if you left this world tomorrow NPO wouldn't cease to be a major alliance without you :rolleyes: We would just have one less idiot touting how he/she is the next best thing since sliced bread. Of course it would be, but despite the magnitude of my awesomeness.. could we stop obsessing on me and how magnificent I am or am not and get back to the topic of why our enemies aren't worthy of their terms because of how they fail at fighting? I really hate how the mob always wins. Just doesn't seem like much of a challenge when that's the only true means of coalition victory. The Pacific is full of quality fighters like myself. You're very right, losing me won't cause it to fall apart, not even close.. but.. given your crew likes to fight in swarms it'd leave them with more to handle. Edited February 1, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Of course it would be, but despite the magnitude of my awesomeness.. could we stop obsessing on me and how magnificent I am or am not and get back to the topic of why our enemies aren't worthy of their terms because of how they fail at fighting? *looks at your nation age, then alliance seniority, then total casualties* Yeah we have got a bad arse here :lol1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) The agreed-upon strategy of the losing side's leadership appears to be the incessant utterance of mendacious comments about TOP. Flattering, I guess.It appears they have fully bought into the idea of us being the puppet master behind all of their misfortunes. Edited February 1, 2014 by Feanor Noldorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 It appears they have fully bought into the idea of us being the puppet master behind all of their misfortunes. When in all actuality it is way better for them that you aren't. So much spinning, they must be getting light headed by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I was under the impression its Umbrella pushing for the terms more than TOP, but that's just mainly based on the thread posted by Derwood1 in World Affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 *looks at your nation age, then alliance seniority, then total casualties* Yeah we have got a bad arse here :lol1: I'd like to point out I have the same casualties at half the nation age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Some of us recognize that reps and terms should NOT be the default. That the default should be an honorable war fought to defend allies, mutual respect between opponents, and then a hand shake and you go your separate ways Since when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Since when? typically when they're the ones facing said reps, but when receiving them its all gravy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 When in all actuality it is way better for them that you aren't. So much spinning, they must be getting light headed by now. These "terms" are way to lenient to be coming from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I imagine you already knew that though, and your little dig was a pr move ::grins::. Naw, sometimes I get bored and try to start random crap. Nothing personal, I just hate the phrase "Friends > Infra" crap, because its so subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 These "terms" are way to lenient to be coming from us. Undoubtedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Naw, sometimes I get bored and try to start random crap. Nothing personal, I just hate the phrase "Friends > Infra" crap, because its so subjective. Indeed. It's a Hall of Fame propaganda campaign, not a foreign policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 typically when they're the ones facing said reps, but when receiving them its all gravy.C&G, as a bloc, hasn't taken reps in quite a while. ODN has been a part of C&G for quite a while.I'm assuming you're all pointing to DH-C&G, which was actually not ODN taking reps. Unless, again, we're going to make the argument that everyone in a coalition is supporting reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 C&G, as a bloc, hasn't taken reps in quite a while. ODN has been a part of C&G for quite a while.I'm assuming you're all pointing to DH-C&G, which was actually not ODN taking reps. Unless, again, we're going to make the argument that everyone in a coalition is supporting reps. No one has taken reps in a major war in a long time, and no one is trying to take them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) The fact is that Polar and TOP launched a preemptive aggressive war and now they want to levy terms on alliances that simply honored treaties to defend the nations that TOP and the NpO aggressively attacked with zero provocation. I suppose pure military victory and stomping on the corpses of their adversaries is all TOP and NpO care about right now, but politically this is a very stupid move that exposes them as a power-hungry bloc with little concern for global stability. Indeed, they seem to care for very little outside of what they can force the world to give them at the point of a gun. The very equilibrium of the world has been upset by their regime. Edited February 1, 2014 by Opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yevgeni Luchenkov Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Indeed. It's a Hall of Fame propaganda campaign, not a foreign policy. The problem is that many alliances - and their leaders - took it to heart and decided to run their foreign affairs according to that ridiculous principle. The fact is that Polar and TOP launched a preemptive aggressive war and now they want to levy terms on alliances that simply honored treaties to defend the nations that TOP and the NpO aggressively attacked with zero provocation. I suppose pure military victory and stomping on the corpses of their adversaries is all TOP and NpO care about right now, but politically this is a very stupid move that exposes them as a power-hungry bloc with little concern for global stability. Indeed, they seem to care for very little outside of what they can force the world to give them at the point of a gun. The very equilibrium of the world has been upset by their regime. Zero provocation? The Kool-Aid must be kinda strong in those northern lands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 The problem is that many alliances - and their leaders - took it to heart and decided to run their foreign affairs according to that ridiculous principle. Zero provocation? The Kool-Aid must be kinda strong in those northern lands. Tell us again how NPO provoked TOP and NpO into attacking their allies so that NPO would enter the war on an MDP only to have reparations demanded of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Lets say NPO left the war without terms and with their upper tier intact. What would Pacifica's will be if not revenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 The fact is that Polar and TOP launched a preemptive aggressive war and now they want to levy terms on alliances that simply honored treaties to defend the nations that TOP and the NpO aggressively attacked with zero provocation. I suppose pure military victory and stomping on the corpses of their adversaries is all TOP and NpO care about right now, but politically this is a very stupid move that exposes them as a power-hungry bloc with little concern for global stability. Indeed, they seem to care for very little outside of what they can force the world to give them at the point of a gun. The very equilibrium of the world has been upset by their regime. One: You must be new here, because absolutely no one on Bob with decision making power has ever or will ever care about maintaining stability or equilibrium on Bob, nor should they. Two: Even if anyone did care about those things, why would they be more important than neutralizing an obviously hostile power sphere with obvious hostile intent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Lets say NPO left the war without terms and with their upper tier intact. What would Pacifica's will be if not revenge? Ah, so the goal is to break Pacifica's will entirely? To make them obsolete on the face of Bob? Is that why TOP and NpO attacked NSO, to force Pacifica into a situation where it risks everything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 One: You must be new here, because absolutely no one on Bob with decision making power has ever or will ever care about maintaining stability or equilibrium on Bob, nor should they. Two: Even if anyone did care about those things, why would they be more important than neutralizing an obviously hostile power sphere with obvious hostile intent? If anything, NpO/TOP is the hostile power sphere that needs to be neutralized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Ah, so the goal is to break Pacifica's will entirely? To make them obsolete on the face of Bob? Is that why TOP and NpO attacked NSO, to force Pacifica into a situation where it risks everything? well yeah, you generally want to actually cause harm to those who wish harm upon you, otherwise it kinda defeats the whole purpose of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 If anything, NpO/TOP is the hostile power sphere that needs to be neutralized. Sure, from your perspective. The opposite is true from theirs. And they happen to have won. Not too many ways around that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opportunity Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sure, from your perspective. The opposite is true from theirs. And they happen to have won. Not too many ways around that. How can the opposite be true when NpO and TOP are preemptive aggressors demanding reps of alliances simply honoring an MDP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 You mentioned Global Stability earlier, which is why I asked about NPOs intentions postwar. Because everyone sees hate and irrationality and a desire for revenge. Not stabilizing sentiments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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