Coloradia Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 TTK -oA> RIA -oA> Fark -oA> IRON I like to throw GOD -oA> in between TTK and RIA just so it looks prettier. RIA cited TTK though as you've said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Tyga to be clear here Polaris as a whole and myself individually still care a great deal about STA. The choices STA have made have certainly drawn a strong reaction but that reaction was not driven by Polaris nor is it out of malice. It is a combination of respect for STA's ability and knowledge that you have had years longer than virtually everyone else to prepare coupled with who was free to counter. I'd love to believe you, Dajobo. But what you posted earlier makes it difficult. Telling us if we'd only done as we were told (by you of coure) none of this would have happened? Really? Sounds pretty malicious to me. And as for the praise of our abilities and knowledge, all nice of course but still does not warrant the overload sent our way. While I understand warfare, coalition warfare and all the other guff I am still struggling to comprehend the thought processes behind what your coalition has done here. Quadruple oAs to put a huge alliance on a tiny one already at war with 3 or 4 other alliances. Good lord. As for choice, sure, we chose to defend TPF but we did not choose to join any coalition against you or anyone. We are not part of any coalition, we are the STA. We honoured our treaty when our ally attacked. If UPN had been countered first we'd probably be on the other side. So, while your words are factually accurate you are overstating and misinterpreting them to make a case that does not exist. We were obliged to assist TPF via our treaty, we did not choose to randomly enter the war to oppose you or anyone else. We defended an ally as TPF defended theirs. So, you can go on all you like about "choice", and I see that is the narrative being spread at the moment, to justify the overkill here but it doesn't make it any more right as far as I'm concerned. And, no, I don't give a toss about my pixels and neither does anyone in the STA. Our history more than shows this to be true. What disappoints us is that an alliance we considered frienldy has gone to such great lengths to ensure we are crushed militarily once again. But, as you said, you'll anything it takes to win the war and I can't criticise that mentality. I just don't see how this wins you the war at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 As for choice, sure, we chose to defend TPF but we did not choose to join any coalition against you or anyone. We are not part of any coalition, we are the STA. That's very romantic, but it's not reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 No I didn't say I'd do anything to win, I said I'd not work against those who have put their alliances and nations on the line to help us. Regarding the choices I wasn't being malicious at all. I was saying if I had my way it would all be very different, that is a fact. It's not about doing as I say or anyone else says at all. It's about me telling you pretty much none of what has happened with STA in the past year or so has been how I wanted it to be. I make no apology for wishing you hadn't cancelled, I make no apology for you choosing to enter on the other side of the war and I take no responsibility or guilt for your choices when they have all been the exact opposite to what I'd have liked to see happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 That's very romantic, but it's not reality. No, it is reality. It just so happens that reality doesn't suit your narrative so you have to invent a new reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 No, it is reality. It just so happens that reality doesn't suit your narrative so you have to invent a new reality. Would you equate my narrative to your agenda? What is my narrative? I submit that my narrative is Lamingtons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 No I didn't say I'd do anything to win, I said I'd not work against those who have put their alliances and nations on the line to help us. Regarding the choices I wasn't being malicious at all. I was saying if I had my way it would all be very different, that is a fact. It's not about doing as I say or anyone else says at all. It's about me telling you pretty much none of what has happened with STA in the past year or so has been how I wanted it to be. I make no apology for wishing you hadn't cancelled, I make no apology for you choosing to enter on the other side of the war and I take no responsibility or guilt for your choices when they have all been the exact opposite to what I'd have liked to see happen. You said you'd not do something to stop you winning. Which is kind of obvious but it was in response to queries to you about the IRON oA cascade before it happened. I'm not sure how not cascading in multiple alliances onto a periphery alliance loses you the war. Clearly we are that militarily brilliant that we required such overkill to prevent us winning the war. You said if we had done what you told us to do then things would be different. You posted those words in this thread. I'm not asking you to apologise for anything. Merely raising my disappointment in how you have gone about things and the particularly spiteful manner in which you have chose to deal with the STA for the crime of defending an ally. By all means, go on and wn your war which I think was pretty much assured from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Would you equate my narrative to your agenda? What is my narrative? I submit that my narrative is Lamingtons. Not your narrative, the NpO's narrative. About "choice" and how we deserted them in their darkest hour because we wanted to avoid being beat down again. All very humourous but untrue just the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 No, it is reality. It just so happens that reality doesn't suit your narrative so you have to invent a new reality. In the first season of a particular game show I enjoy where players vote each other out, there was a small alliance of players that developed, though it wasn't large enough to vote anyone out by themselves.. One independent player who didn't want to join in anyone else's schemes or offend anyone announced that he was going to vote for people in alphabetical order. When the next person he was to vote for according to this scheme was an enemy of the alliance, they all voted for that person as well, roping the independent player into unwittingly helping them vote out an opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 In the first season of a particular game show I enjoy where players vote each other out, there was a small alliance of players that developed, though it wasn't large enough to vote anyone out by themselves.. One independent player who didn't want to join in anyone else's schemes or offend anyone announced that he was going to vote for people in alphabetical order. When the next person he was to vote for according to this scheme was an enemy of the alliance, they all voted for that person as well, roping the independent player into unwittingly helping them vote out an opponent. Cool story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Cool story.it is, isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Not your narrative, the NpO's narrative. About "choice" and how we deserted them in their darkest hour because we wanted to avoid being beat down again. All very humourous but untrue just the same. Honestly, I haven't been keeping up with the Polaris forum, but I can assure you no one has said that on IRC while I've been around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgorre1013 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh, well if you assure me I'll just ignore all logic and common sense and believe you :rolleyes: Yeah man, we've never been rolled 18 times before and rebuilt stronger, man I must have imagined all that! Yes, you did imagine all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Honestly, I haven't been keeping up with the Polaris forum, but I can assure you no one has said that on IRC while I've been around. They have said it in this thread (refer to Fallen Fool's post earlier) and we have been alerted to it being ssaid to others in Embassies elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I still like the STA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes, you did imagine all of that. You aren't very bright man. He's using hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) That's very romantic, but it's not reality. This is a first in a really long time, but I have to agree with Schattenmann here. STA may be joining a coalition to defend their ally, but at the end of the day they are still joining the coalition. Their contribution of nations and NS to the coalition TPF is in is far more useful to TPF than any pressure relieved directly to TPF because of STA entering against someone attacking them. Edited November 22, 2013 by Azaghul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 You said if we had done what you told us to do then things would be different. You posted those words in this thread.No I actually said "You know damned well if you did what I had wanted you would have been treatied to us and not on that side in the first place!"It's not about doing as you are told and I don't even get the connection you are making. It's about me pointing out how utterly unconnected my wishes and your choices are. I never once told you to do anything. The fact is just about every decision you have made has been opposite what I wish you had chosen and those choices, not anything I have said are what defined your path and your position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 This is a first in a really long time, but I have to agree with Schattenmann here. STA may be joining a coalition to defend their ally, but at the end of the day they are still joining the coalition. Their contribution of nations and NS to the coalition TPF is in is far more useful to TPF than any pressure relieved directly to TPF because of TPF entering. We haven't joined any coalition. I wouldn't even know where to find this coalition to speak to them. The STA defended TPF, simple as that. When TPF leaves the war, so do we. If we'd defended UPN we'd not be part of your coalition either. But, as I said, it helps you all to justify the nonsense you have perpetrated so I can understand why you stick with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conistonslim Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) I keep hearing about how we joined some damn coalition, complete BS. We fight for TPF and TPF only. I or anyone else in the STA don't give a crap about anybody else on our "side" atm. I am sure there is a coalition channel around somewhere but I'll be damned if we ever see it. Edit: Tyga beat me to it. Edited November 22, 2013 by conistonslim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 This is a first in a really long time, but I have to agree with Schattenmann here. STA may be joining a coalition to defend their ally, but at the end of the day they are still joining the coalition. Their contribution of nations and NS to the coalition TPF is in is far more useful to TPF than any pressure relieved directly to TPF because of STA entering against someone attacking them. This is why you were one of my favorite MKers, usually you cut through all the bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 No I actually said "You know damned well if you did what I had wanted you would have been treatied to us and not on that side in the first place!" It's not about doing as you are told and I don't even get the connection you are making. It's about me pointing out how utterly unconnected my wishes and your choices are. I never once told you to do anything. The fact is just about every decision you have made has been opposite what I wish you had chosen and those choices, not anything I have said are what defined your path and your position. I don't see any meaningful difference to be honest. We have no path or position other than defending TPF. Quite how that warrants multiple oA chains to counter our threat to you winning the war remains a mystery. Seeing as it is immense overkill I can only conclude that as the STA did not do as you wished we are now being punished for it. I'd also be interested to hear your views on the NpO line being thrown about about the STA cancelling on you to avoid another beat down leaving you in your darkest hour. Is going overboard in trashing us on the battlefield not enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I didn't make that statement Tyga. I suggest you talk to the person who did because he clearly wrote how he felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I didn't make that statement Tyga. I suggest you talk to the person who did because he clearly wrote how he felt. And the person saying the same thing in embassies of other alliances is just coincidence then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't see any meaningful difference to be honest. We have no path or position other than defending TPF. Quite how that warrants multiple oA chains to counter our threat to you winning the war remains a mystery. Seeing as it is immense overkill I can only conclude that as the STA did not do as you wished we are now being punished for it. I'd also be interested to hear your views on the NpO line being thrown about about the STA cancelling on you to avoid another beat down leaving you in your darkest hour. Is going overboard in trashing us on the battlefield not enough? You're not that dense Tyga. For Polar to win its own war every front of the coalition has to be winning its own. STA happens to need more coverage and we happen to have the reserves for it, why hold back at all? There's no mystery, you're just on a whine fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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