kriekfreak Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1309686946' post='2747574'] What, are you illiterate? [/quote] Woh you are one though guy. Yeah I want to know what happened prior that classified MHA and FARK as being heroes. Or maybe he meant leaving a dozen of their other allies out to dry. In that case MHA and FARK are superheroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 MHA and the word superheroes should never be in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos27 Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Mixoux' timestamp='1309712757' post='2747741'] Hey, who the hell cares about Sparta - AZTEC? Why don't you make your own thread about it and not spew it all over this thread. [/quote] Pretty interesting front though. This discussion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ozujsko Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1309355291' post='2744159'] Well, the stats definitely demonstrate a point that got hammered to death in the SF/MJ thread. One on one SF would have an extremely difficult time facing MJ, as the upper tier advantage is very significantly in MJ's favor. [/quote] Do not question the strategy of the SuperFriends... [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WEfea.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Corrupt Teacher Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Matt Miller' timestamp='1309636475' post='2747066'] Careful mate, word on the street is Sparta was about to surrender before being bailed out by current XX partners. Not that you did that badly, but a remark like that would lead people to believe you took down AZTEC without serious help. You guys were getting battered pretty badly and were saved in that war. [/quote] [quote name='Confusion' timestamp='1309663595' post='2747335'] Hey buddy, Sparta was going to surrender and agree to a no re-entry clause as long as AZTEC & Company agreed to do the same. Uh, I don't know what you're on but, Sparta's warchests were [i]horrible[/i], I don't even know how you can come out in public and talk about warchests. Anyways, Whatever. Confusion. [/quote] First quote answered by second quote. From last war I had RIA just wreck my nation 3v1. They were coordinated and fought well. Sparta...I found like 2-3 billion+ warchests and the rest never topped 500mil and at the 80k range I was fighting at that is terrible. The 3 Sparta nations I attacked could barely launch a counter-attack, didn't coordinate with nukes to get their highest tech guy nuking me despite the fact he had 20+ for the duration of my war, and never synched ground attacks. Sparta was outgunned last war and I think you're delusional to think you would have won that war provided MHA and FARK didn't help you out. Your "great upper tier" would have been dragged down into the mess of middle tier nations and had their subpar warchests wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='The Corrupt Teacher' timestamp='1309723250' post='2747850'] First quote answered by second quote. From last war I had RIA just wreck my nation 3v1. They were coordinated and fought well. Sparta...I found like 2-3 billion+ warchests and the rest never topped 500mil and at the 80k range I was fighting at that is terrible. The 3 Sparta nations I attacked could barely launch a counter-attack, didn't coordinate with nukes to get their highest tech guy nuking me despite the fact he had 20+ for the duration of my war, and never synched ground attacks. Sparta was outgunned last war and I think you're delusional to think you would have won that war provided MHA and FARK didn't help you out. Your "great upper tier" would have been dragged down into the mess of middle tier nations and had their subpar warchests wiped out. [/quote] If you fought RIA 3v1 on top of 3 bigger Spartans, there is no way your nation would be big enough to still fight 80k'ers after 2 rounds, or even 1 round for that matter. You probably fought mid tier spartans who had 500 mil-ish left adter 2 straight wars and are now trying to make that look less average than it really is. Add that into the fact that the single 80+ Spartan with a crap war chest was kept in peace mode for the whole war for obvious reasons, and imma call some bs on that story. Some of us didn't have as much money after 10-10 and the new-DF war (case in point me), but we were hardly poor. We made due with what we had, and it was enough to achieve our goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varianz Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 I love how Spartans keep bragging about "achieving our goals". Your goals were, quite literally, to be meatshields. How in the hell can you be [i]proud [/i]of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1309725370' post='2747875'] I love how Spartans keep bragging about "achieving our goals". Your goals were, quite literally, to be meatshields. How in the hell can you be [i]proud [/i]of that? [/quote] Because our side won. That's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialCubanacan Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1309726500' post='2747881'] Because our side won. That's all that matters. [/quote] Not to be an ass; but Sparta had to get help against a bunch of small alliances -- and honestly, that is quite sad. When MHA (I love MHA ) has to come and help...... yeah. [img]http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/22/421.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='ImperialCubanacan' timestamp='1309729056' post='2747904'] Not to be an ass; but Sparta had to get help against a bunch of small alliances -- and honestly, that is quite sad. When MHA (I love MHA ) has to come and help...... yeah. [/quote] Um...I wouldn't really call NV small. Maybe small by comparison to us, but when you add them all up, 30 mil NS is still 30 mil NS. So I'm not sure what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueski Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I don't get all the hate on Sparta. No one would claim they're a top tier steamroller but the reports of their awfulness are exaggerated. IMO the only real problem they have is over half of their first page has been in peace mode every war since No CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309721174' post='2747826'] MHA and the word superheroes should never be in the same sentence. [/quote] Like "TOP" and the words "would never send millions in aid to alliances currently fighting their MDP partner." To be fair, there's few alliances in Bob that one could say, without bias, are actual superheroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1309742018' post='2747981'] Like "TOP" and the words "would never send millions in aid to alliances currently fighting their MDP partner." To be fair, there's few alliances in Bob that one could say, without bias, are actual superheroes. [/quote] The moment you completely lied to us about your involvement --your stance changed three times in as many days and the last one was "we'll only enter if FARK is attacked"-- needless to say you attacked our ally in IRON via your oA with Gramlins who wasn't allied to anyone except you pretty much stops you from being considered an MDP partner. You should have received your marching orders that day but alas we were fighting the greatest war in the history of Cybernations (I'm biased). I'd personally equate you with a piece of !@#$ than say a superhero. That's just me though. Edited July 4, 2011 by Feanor Noldorin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309743858' post='2748004'] The moment you completely lied to us about your involvement --your stance changed three times in as many days and the last one was "we'll only enter if FARK is attacked"-- needless to say you attacked our ally in IRON via your oA with Gramlins who wasn't allied to anyone except you pretty much stops you from being considered an MDP partner. You should have received your marching orders that day but alas we were fighting the greatest war in the history of Cybernations (I'm biased). I'd personally equate you with a piece of !@#$ than say a superhero. That's just me though. [/quote] Yes, [i]our[/i] position was the only one that changed, it was completely all us. And when you found out we would never support a pre-emotive strike on CnG, you didn't at all stop talking to us. And yes I'm sure a "we're canceling the MDP" PM would have taken far, far top long to type out. Even if that were all true, it doesn't excuse TOP from directly aiding an attack on us while still treatied to us. Sure you could say attacking IRON was poor form, but what you did was an actual violation of our treaty and every treaty in Planet Bob. Whatever moral outrage you can feign went out the window. It's also super fun that you try to defend TOP's motivation in a thread about Power Clusters, when power clusters [i]are[/i] TOP's motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Moral outrage? What? I simply wanted to say I think your alliance is a piece of !@#$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309746162' post='2748041'] Moral outrage? What? I simply wanted to say I think your alliance is a piece of !@#$. [/quote] And I'm saying the feeling is mutual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1309744972' post='2748029'] It's also super fun that you try to defend TOP's motivation in a thread about Power Clusters, when power clusters [i]are[/i] TOP's motivation. [/quote] Coming from an alliance that would $%&@ their family over (and has) for CN's flavor of the week, I'll take that as a joke. [quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1309746496' post='2748044'] And I'm saying the feeling is mutual. [/quote] Don't worry. You'll like us again once you're about to go to a losing side of the war. We'll be waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Believland' timestamp='1309747030' post='2748053'] Coming from an alliance that would $%&@ their family over (and has) for CN's flavor of the week, I'll take that as a joke. [/quote] Neither of us are innocent in that regard, it's not a history lesson you're going to win. Just ask Polar. Or MK. Or NPO. Or Gre. [quote name='Believland' timestamp='1309747030' post='2748053'] Don't worry. You'll like us again once you're about to go to a losing side of the war. We'll be waiting. [/quote] By all means, hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1309747402' post='2748064'] Neither of us are innocent in that regard, it's not a history lesson you're going to win. Just ask Polar. Or MK. Or NPO. Or Gre. [/quote] We haven't screwed over any "family" because we don't have any. Unless I'm mistaken we've never been stupid enough to sign eternal treaties. How'd that Harmlin thing work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309749108' post='2748084'] We haven't screwed over any "family" because we don't have any. Unless I'm mistaken we've never been stupid enough to sign eternal treaties. How'd that Harmlin thing work out? [/quote] Oh is this where you defend Ramirus and denounce New Gramlins because that's the logical conclusion for that line of questioning and I don't think you're up for it. TOP gave up on Gre long before we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Feanor Noldorin you're doing it wrong, your hate should be directed to Polaris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1309749454' post='2748090'] Oh is this where you defend Ramirus and denounce New Gramlins because that's the logical conclusion for that line of questioning and I don't think you're up for it. TOP gave up on Gre long before we did. [/quote] No. It's safe to say once Ram got into power we ended our relationship as many of the Old Gre left Gre. They were a new alliance using the name of the Gramlins. And stop talking about logic when your brains have always been in Gramlins. Also dropping the who Gre thing, how's that 3 year treaty with NPO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugby Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Believland' timestamp='1309749801' post='2748095'] No. It's safe to say once Ram got into power we ended our relationship as many of the Old Gre left Gre. They were a new alliance using the name of the Gramlins. And stop talking about logic when your brains have always been in Gramlins. Also dropping the who Gre thing, how's that 3 year treaty with NPO? [/quote] That's the conclusion I was looking for, thank you for helping Feanor reach it. Wouldn't it be a good thing if [i]our[/i] brains were in Gramlins, given their superiority in strength and nation building? I don't think you thought that through. We never had a three year treaty with NPO. We had a treaty with a year-long cancellation clause that was voided by Karma and NPO as part of their surrender conditions. We never asked for that to be included, NPO came to us to say it was part of the terms and we agreed to not delay them getting peace. Swing and a miss. Also, isn't this about current power centers? Feanor came in to have his dig, I dug back and we should probably stay on topic. Edited July 4, 2011 by Rugby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1309749571' post='2748091'] Feanor Noldorin you're doing it wrong, your hate should be directed to Polaris. [/quote] I'm diversifying my hate. MHA is #2 on the list but don't worry they'll never catch up to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1309750180' post='2748100'] That's the conclusion I was looking for, thank you for helping Feanor reach it. Wouldn't it be a good thing if [i]our[/i] brains were in Gramlins, given their superiority in strength and nation building? I don't think you thought that through. We never had a three year treaty with NPO. We had a treaty with a year-long cancellation clause that was voided by Karma and NPO as part of their surrender conditions. We never asked for that to be included, NPO came to us to say it was part of the terms and we agreed to not delay them getting peace. Swing and a miss. Also, isn't this about current power centers? Feanor came in to have his dig, I dug back and we should probably stay on topic. [/quote] Your welcome. Again, you shouldn't try to use this whole logic thing. Maybe when you're older. I was alluding to the fact that you signed a gigantic treaty that didn't have the cojones to stand by. Next time I'll dumb it down for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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