General Ozujsko Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Planet Bob, Recently the STA made an announcement regarding raiding on their Cadets. The Dark Templar have been having a similar problem with our Probes and Protectorates. Let it be known that the Dark Templar's "academy AA" is "DT Probes" and these guys are off-limits when it comes to raiding. DT will be requesting that nations that raid this AA declare peace and pay reparations. Refusal to do so will result in taking these reparations with force. Having said that, raiding has also occurred with our Protectorates. The Dark Templar currently protects Blackhorse, Krynn, Flying Hellfish United, and the Cyber Revolutionaries. Some of these protectorates are just verbal agreements between gentlemen. Raiding of these AAs will not be tolerated. General Ozujsko Lord of Foreign Affairs The Dark Templar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fingolfin Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Good luck. Might help to have members of these AA's post something to the extent of "Protected by The Dark Templar" in their nation bios since a lot of raiders don't read the OWF and will miss this announcement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supa_Troop3r Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) Popin' as always! Edited June 20, 2010 by Supa_Troop3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ozujsko Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 [quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='20 June 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1277072902' post='2344177'] Good luck. Might help to have members of these AA's post something to the extent of "Protected by The Dark Templar" in their nation bios since a lot of raiders don't read the OWF and will miss this announcement [/quote] Many do, but that doesn't seem to stop the aggravation. Another idea we're kicking around is to switch our academy AA from "DT Probes" to "The Dark Templar Probes" or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 This just makes me want to raid them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Probe harassment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pd73bassman Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 [quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' date='20 June 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1277073803' post='2344190'] This just makes me want to raid them now. [/quote] What's stopping you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='pd73bassman' date='20 June 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1277075868' post='2344225'] What's stopping you [/quote] Can't perform a quad attack at 6:00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Are people out there really this stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ozujsko Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Omniscient1' date='20 June 2010 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1277079486' post='2344307'] Are people out there really this stupid? [/quote] Yeah. I'd say every few weeks or so we have an issue with a raid. It's a hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Omniscient1' date='20 June 2010 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1277079486' post='2344307'] Are people out there really this stupid? [/quote] Yes. We just fought a war over people being idiots, and the pro-idiot side won. Considering all that, I have to consider it moderately ironic that DT is now here complaining about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Lord Brendan' date='20 June 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1277074805' post='2344208'] Probe harassment [/quote] Nicely done. Those raiders are apparently working on their APM. /starcraftgasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1277124420' post='2345112'] Yes. We just fought a war over people being idiots, and the pro-idiot side won. Considering all that, I have to consider it moderately ironic that DT is now here complaining about it. [/quote] oh you! but yo DT, like I said to STA, shoot first ask questions later; those who don't want to bother doing their research shouldn't be bothered with diplomatic attempts either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James IV Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Lord Brendan' date='20 June 2010 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1277074805' post='2344208'] Probe harassment [/quote] My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwood1 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1277124420' post='2345112'] Yes. We just fought a war over people being idiots, and the pro-idiot side won. Considering all that, I have to consider it moderately ironic that DT is now here complaining about it. [/quote] No, DT is doing things right which cuts down on idiot factor. Knowing that alliances are protected or have treaties usually stop raids. It also helps to update wiki's and forums which I am sure DT has also done. This announcement is just another way to get the word out, try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 This means I can still probe Fort Pitt, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacapo Saladin Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Derwood1' date='21 June 2010 - 10:25 AM' timestamp='1277130313' post='2345175'] No, DT is doing things right which cuts down on idiot factor. Knowing that alliances are protected or have treaties usually stop raids. It also helps to update wiki's and forums which I am sure DT has also done. This announcement is just another way to get the word out, try again. [/quote] In all reality this thread will have no effect. If people don't know what a DT Probe is then they don't check OWF enough to know about this thread. It was nothing more then a "Hey look at us, we are cool just like STA " On a side note, if the members of these alliances which are verbally protected dont put "Protected by DT" in their bio, then it really isn't the fault of the raider that they got hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentkiller Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Jacapo Saladin' date='21 June 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1277138570' post='2345310'] In all reality this thread will have no effect. If people don't know what a DT Probe is then they don't check OWF enough to know about this thread. It was nothing more then a "Hey look at us, we are cool just like STA " [b]On a side note, if the members of these alliances which are verbally protected dont put "Protected by DT" in their bio, then it really isn't the fault of the raider that they got hit.[/b] [/quote] It always has been the responsibility of the raider to make sure their target is not protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='silentkiller' date='21 June 2010 - 12:46 PM' timestamp='1277138758' post='2345317'] It always has been the responsibility of the raider to make sure their target is not protected. [/quote] Alas, no. An awful lot of raiders agree with Jacapo's interpretation of where the responsibility lies now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 12:02 PM' timestamp='1277139724' post='2345343'] Alas, no. An awful lot of raiders agree with Jacapo's interpretation of where the responsibility lies now. [/quote] It is indeed the responsibility of the raider to find out if their target is protected, however, if the agreement is so verbal that it is not in any of the protected alliance's bios, nor is on the wiki, the raiders are not liable, because they could not possibly have known otherwise. Unless people expect us to ask every alliance in the world every time we find a raid-able micro-alliance and ask "Are these guys yours?". Such a thing is laughably unreasonable. Edited June 21, 2010 by Sardonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix von Agnu Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1277139724' post='2345343'] Alas, no. An awful lot of raiders agree with Jacapo's interpretation of where the responsibility lies now. [/quote] If it was an unwritten agreement I would agree with Jacapo. How could a raider know if an AA is protected by an agreement if there is nothing that says an agreement exists? I still think raiders should be held accountable if they don't check the wiki, or nation bio's though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I've seen raiders arguing that bios are unreliable, so claims of protection in them should be ignored as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1277140754' post='2345378'] I've seen raiders arguing that bios are unreliable, so claims of protection in them should be ignored as well. [/quote] At GOONS, we have corrected this problem by having the members interested in raiding the target ask the alleged protector if it is legit or not. You would not believe how many lying micro-alliances there are out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanaetos Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 12:19 PM' timestamp='1277140754' post='2345378'] I've seen raiders arguing that bios are unreliable, so claims of protection in them should be ignored as well. [/quote] I agree with this. People can lie in their nation bios and get away with it easily enough; the Wiki is a much more effective means of checking to see if a certain nation is truly protected or not. With that being said, it's crucial that every alliance keeps their Wiki up-to-date. Even if you're protecting someone due to a verbal agreement, you should still include it in your Wiki to prevent confusion, as well as to keep misinformed raiders from striking your protectorate's nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buds The Man Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 [quote name='silentkiller' date='21 June 2010 - 12:46 PM' timestamp='1277138758' post='2345317'] It always has been the responsibility of the raider to make sure their target is not protected. [/quote] Sure it is and as long as the information can be found then its on teh Raider. What are you supposed to do pm the nation and ask are you really protected. That would sort of give the raid away wouldnt it. IF you dont have it via wiki, owf or some public place then it doesnt exist. [quote name='Sardonic' date='21 June 2010 - 01:23 PM' timestamp='1277140966' post='2345380'] At GOONS, we have corrected this problem by having the members interested in raiding the target ask the alleged protector if it is legit or not. You would not believe how many lying micro-alliances there are out there. [/quote] Ill be in contact to get that list from you shortly got some noobs that neeed the practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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