Ultimatum to Tahoe

[Sarah Tintagyl]

"Perhaps the proud Tahoean warrior should consult a geography book, for one the Pacificans do not own the Polynesian Islands as they have been part of Hanseatic Territory and now Australian territory for a great deal of time. Second of all, to say that Midway is part of the Hawaiian chain of islands is flat out wrong. Midway is over five hundred miles from the Hawaiian Islands. We understand that New Zealand and Tahoe since times I cannot remember have attempted for domination of their spheres of influence in the Pacific, but lets be honest here. Both sides are doing this in an imperial tendency, not that there's anything wrong with that. Tahoe is attempting to assert their authority in the Pacific, whether the world wants them too or not, likewise Pacifica. While Australia would love to see both sides come to terms, it is probably impossible at this point and we will watch the situation closely."

-HRH Hannah Asgeirsson

[Botha]

[quote name='Vince Sixx' date='31 January 2010 - 12:47 AM' timestamp='1264927667' post='2147190']
If it is a Wildlife reserve, why is Tahoe so bent on keeping it?[/quote]

[color="#000080"]If it is a wildlife reserve, why is Greater Pacifica so bent on acquiring it?[/color]

[Manetheren]

[quote name='Sarah Tintagyl' date='31 January 2010 - 01:09 AM' timestamp='1264928955' post='2147215']
"Perhaps the proud Tahoean warrior should consult a geography book, for one the Pacificans do not own the Polynesian Islands as they have been part of Hanseatic Territory and now Australian territory for a great deal of time. Second of all, to say that Midway is part of the Hawaiian chain of islands is flat out wrong. Midway is over five hundred miles from the Hawaiian Islands. We understand that New Zealand and Tahoe since times I cannot remember have attempted for domination of their spheres of influence in the Pacific, but lets be honest here. Both sides are doing this in an imperial tendency, not that there's anything wrong with that. Tahoe is attempting to assert their authority in the Pacific, whether the world wants them too or not, likewise Pacifica. While Australia would love to see both sides come to terms, it is probably impossible at this point and we will watch the situation closely."

-HRH Hannah Asgeirsson
[/quote]

We truly apologize for our mischaracterization of Polynesia as part of Greater Pacifica. Yet it does raise an interesting question. Tahiti is 3,805 miles from Sydney, while Honolulu is 2,396 miles from San Francisco. Are either colonies? No, that is absurd. And if they are, then Greater Pacifica should first be concerned with Australian possession of Polynesia. Futhermore, Midway is part of the leeward island chain of the Hawaiian Archipelego (interestingly also closer to Tahoe than Tahiti is to Australia, though it does not matter).

Secondly, we strongly deny imperialist motivations. During the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries were our territorial aquisitions imperialist in nature. Absolutely. Tahoe tripled in size in three decades of war. Is the adding of a 1,500 acre piece of land barely deserving to be on a map imperialist? No, it is not.

Greater Pacifica is the agressor, steping out of bounds and being the true imperialist here.

[Bacharth]

We still think that if the tables were turned, and Pacifica had a "Wildlife Refuge" in West Mexico, Tahoe would react in the same way, although if Pacifica had responded in the same rude manner that Tahoe had, there would be war. Luckily, Pacifica seems quite patient.

[king of cochin]

The main issue here is the hypocrisy of Tahoe Government which is trying to extend its influences to Pacific Ocean region. As a nation that always proclaims itself to be the quintessential North American nation, why do you seek to have interests in areas so far away from your geographic concerns? It is not wrong to seek to expand, however if you follow one set of policy and try to impose another set of policies you run the risk of exposing your hypocrisy.

For attempting to militarily help a North American nation, Dragon Empire was threatened with war by Americans and rightly so. Thus it is only right for a Pacifican nation to attempt to overthrow an expansion in American interests in Pacific Ocean region. Stay in your own realm, Tahoe, or your self proclaimed strengths would be tested.

[Captain Enema]

[quote name='Executive Minister' date='30 January 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1264907643' post='2146369']
[i]"Ultimatums are soooo 09'"[/i]
[/quote]

The Government of Sudan finds themselves oddly in agreement with their African neighbors.

[kitex]

"Blue Heaven will not be offering any official statement at this time, but will be watching the situation closely."
-Dorothy Smith (Blue Heaven MoFA)

***Private to Greater Pacifica***

Would you like us to send some Special Forces teams over to your nation in case war breaks out?

Sincererly,
Colin Powell (Blue Heaven Minister of Defense)

[Captain Enema]

Can hunters get special permission to hunt on Midway? I know you treehuggers and such are going to whine about this, but true conservation is best lead by those with an interest in maintaining it. Those of us who hunt, fish, and properly enjoy the great out of doors are more prone to have a vested interest in seeing the wildlife on Midway flourish, if only to give us more things to shoot at.

- Mad Dog Bob Denard

[Kaiser Martens]

[quote]The main issue here is the hypocrisy of Tahoe Government which is trying to extend its influences to Pacific Ocean region.[/quote]

A wildlife sanctuary island is...influencial to Pacific Ocean politics? Do you people fear Tahoe that much? This is completely irrational.

[quote]As a nation that always proclaims itself to be the quintessential North American nation, why do you seek to have interests in areas so far away from your geographic concerns? It is not wrong to seek to expand, however if you follow one set of policy and try to impose another set of policies you run the risk of exposing your hypocrisy.[/quote]

Or your own. All that you have simply said is that expanding - being imperialist - is [i]fine[/i], as long as he does it within his continent. So, if he were to invade every nation in his home continent, you're saying that it would be good, while otherwise a tiny little inhabited island elsewhere constitutes an act of war? Have you ever considered what you said, and the deaths implied in your thoughts if Tahoe were to do as you think?

Lastly, will these be YOUR policies for your continent? Expanding at others' expense? So far it seems so.

[quote]For attempting to militarily help a North American nation, Dragon Empire was threatened with war by Americans and rightly so. Thus it is only right for a Pacifican nation to attempt to overthrow an expansion in American interests in Pacific Ocean region. Stay in your own realm, Tahoe, or your self proclaimed strengths would be tested. [/quote]

When you threaten war against a nation which has allies, you're supposed to be threatened back. Geography has little to do with it. To me it sounds like some petty revenge, fighting over this small piece of land...empty land. What are you trying to do, bandwagon in favor of Pacifica to try to push your nation's own goals at the expense of being a warmongering lackey?

Regardless, we know how this will end: Tahoe [i]will[/i] resist all foreign aggression and will retain its territorial integrity.

Now all that's left to see is how many people you will murder to obtain a few square kilometers worth of trees and grass in the middle of nowhere. At least Proxia fought against a territory on a mainland which had a military base, but this? Come on...

[Jordosaur94]

Is this even worth it? Greater Pacifica doesn't have a central Homeland like Tahoe because the nation's just a bunch of islands scattered throughout the vast Pacific. I don't think it's worth going to all this trouble over a tiny island that's little more than a Wildlife Reserve. In fact, it appears that Midway is closer to Tahoe held Hawaii than the nearest Pacifican island. It's not worth it, it seems that Italian held Guam may be the most serious threat to your nation than tiny insignificant Midway.

[Zoot Zoot]

Greater Pacifica does have a homeland.
Its the Islands of New Zealand as far as we are aware.
OOC Derp Derp
IC
Italian Held Guam is under lease, and is not owned by the Italian Federation and can be removed at any point by its owners.

[Markus Wilding]

[quote name='Jordosaur94' date='31 January 2010 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1264968292' post='2148125']
Is this even worth it? Greater Pacifica doesn't have a central Homeland like Tahoe because the nation's just a bunch of islands scattered throughout the vast Pacific. I don't think it's worth going to all this trouble over a tiny island that's little more than a Wildlife Reserve. In fact, it appears that Midway is closer to Tahoe held Hawaii than the nearest Pacifican island. It's not worth it, it seems that Italian held Guam may be the most serious threat to your nation than tiny insignificant Midway.
[/quote]
The original Alvonian homeland is Italy. Does this mean that we're willing to go to war with the Italian Federation and Scicillian League to obtain it again? No, of course not.

[Jordosaur94]

[quote name='Zoot Zoot' date='31 January 2010 - 12:11 PM' timestamp='1264968674' post='2148133']
Greater Pacifica does have a homeland.
Its the Islands of New Zealand as far as we are aware.
OOC Derp Derp
IC
Italian Held Guam is under lease, and is not owned by the Italian Federation and can be removed at any point by its owners.
[/quote]


Even so, it's still a great distance from Midway, probably greater than the distance from Midway to the Tahoan mainland.

[Zoot Zoot]

Beleive it or not, its more or less directly in the middle.
however tahoe has facilities on Hawaii, and Midway is on a geographical ridge connecting it to Hawaii, making it part of a chain. Used as a loose example of course, not entirley true.

[Manetheren]

[quote]The main issue here is the hypocrisy of Tahoe Government which is trying to extend its influences to Pacific Ocean region. As a nation that always proclaims itself to be the quintessential North American nation, why do you seek to have interests in areas so far away from your geographic concerns?[/quote]

We have already demonstrated that Midway and Hawaii are much closer to North America than Australia and New Zealand.

Secondly, we realize the world trembles in fear of Tahoe (this being a perfect case example of a nation acting out of fear over a tiny piece of land 4,800 miles away from them), yet we assure you, the birds and lizards inhabiting Midway will not be ethnically cleansed.

[Captain Enema]

So a limited season on some of the larger game animals is open to discussion?

[Silhouette]

[quote name='Emperor Mudd' date='31 January 2010 - 08:32 PM' timestamp='1264969923' post='2148173']
We have already demonstrated that Midway and Hawaii are much closer to North America than Australia and New Zealand.

Secondly, we realize the world trembles in fear of Tahoe (this being a perfect case example of a nation acting out of fear over a tiny piece of land 4,800 miles away from them), yet we assure you, the birds and lizards inhabiting Midway will not be ethnically cleansed.
[/quote]


For the record, New South Wales has no strong feelings one way or another, but since the possibility exists that this may escalate, and bring war close to our lands, the Nuclear Cruiser [i]Invincible[/i] will be reassigned to patrol in the North Pacific, to keep an eye on developments.

[Zoot Zoot]

And sending a nuclear armed warship to keep an eye on things incase it escalates is wise?
Irony at its very definition.

[Silhouette]

Perhaps some misunderstanding. It is nuclear powered, not nuclear armed, although, we would say that, wouldn't we...

[Zoot Zoot]

Apologies for misunderstanding you words, still, a war vessel on patrol in an area were tensions are high could potentially aggreivate the situation sadly, given how peoples trigger fingers are on hairswitches.

[Subtleknifewielder]

[quote name='Emperor Mudd' date='31 January 2010 - 12:32 PM' timestamp='1264969923' post='2148173']
We have already demonstrated that Midway and Hawaii are much closer to North America than Australia and New Zealand.

Secondly, we realize the world trembles in fear of Tahoe (this being a perfect case example of a nation acting out of fear over a tiny piece of land 4,800 miles away from them), yet we assure you, the birds and lizards inhabiting Midway will not be ethnically cleansed.
[/quote]
"Says the nation whose very existence sprouts from ethnic cleansing."

~Westly Davies, Duke of Perth

OOC: Don't deny the shared history you had with Ishiopia. You and Torao both agreed that your settlers drove out anyone not ethnically Irish at the time of your settling, to explain his presence in Hawaii.

Edited January 31, 2010 by Subtleknifewielder

[Silhouette]

Our warships already patrol three of the worlds oceans on a regular basis, we are simply temporarily redirecting a single asset to give us up-to-date, and most importantly, accurate information, in real time. We can assure you that the men and women on board the [i]Invincible[/i] are under strict orders to keep their distance, and to observe, nothing more.

Edited January 31, 2010 by Silhouette

[Zoot Zoot]

We are in no position to dictate what New South Wales can do with its Navy, we apologies for making it seem so, curiosity and questions are often misconstrude as rude and seemingly derogatory.
Thanks for the explanation of the situation.

[Silhouette]

Think nothing of it. In a situation like this, our policy is full disclosure. It prevents any unfortunate accidents.

[iamthey]

Throughout this ordeal Tahoe has made attempts to deflect the reality of what is occurring here. They have claimed that they are closer to midway, or that Midway "is a part of Hawaii". This is simply irrelevant. Tahoe knows full well that these excuses mean absolutely nothing to their own standards of colonization and they don't assist them now. Tahoe is not being blocked from their take over of midway because they are too far away from it, they are being blocked from it because they are a nation which looks at its own region in a bloc and strategic mentality. Their culture is American Centric, and their consistent attitude is that of aggression. They view us as an enemy and given our roots in the previous regimes of New Zealand, they have always done so. This has nothing to do with the math of distance, and everything to do with the fact that this is simply another expansion into a sphere which they have no loyalty or connection to.

Moreover, they have deflected the ultimatum on the basis that the island is 'only a wild life preserve'. To begin that is a hollow assertion which is hardly verified. Simply because there is not heavy development doesn't mean that the activities within those facilities are not of great consequence. There is also the reality of underground development. Reviewing Tahoe's early statements-

[quote name='Emperor Mudd' date='29 January 2010 - 08:50 AM' timestamp='1264755051' post='2140639']
Midway is currently a Tahoan protectorate housing a large Vinilandese Military establishment. We have yet to deal with the former Vinilandese military, and thus the soldiers and all their hardware remains.[/quote]

This statement was made early in the ordeal when the threat of conflict was not apparent, which are we to believe? Why would Tahoe lie about the presence of an important military complex, particularly under the patient circumstances of the time. By contrast it seems that now the claim of it merely being a wild life preserve has far more meaning as a lie and far more necessity in the present.

That being said, even if such a military complex is not in place, even if for some unexplainable reason Tahoe just decided to spontaneously lie about such a complex existing, it is irrelevant. Even if today they doing nothing with it, that doesn't stop them from turning it into a fortress tomorrow. This is not paranoia, it is merely recognizing the fact that Tahoe, a nation with a history of aggression is not beyond deceit.