Ultimatum to Tahoe

[Manetheren]

[quote]OOC: Don't deny the shared history you had with Ishiopia. You and Torao both agreed that your settlers drove out anyone not ethnically Irish at the time of your settling, to explain his presence in Hawaii. [/quote]

OOC: Oh I certainly don't. The history of Hawaii is basically that Americans who were disgruntled after the United States defeat in the Tahoan Revolution settled in large part in Hawaii (among other places). Tensions increased until the 1960's when Hawaii was invaded and settled by Tahoans. Native Hawaiians and asians still form a large proportion of the popultion there, though, even though many Ishiopians fled.

[comrade nikonov]

The Federal Union of Slavic Republics sees irony in the potential of a war over a wildlife refuge.

[king of cochin]

[quote name='Kaiser Martens' date='01 February 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1264967363' post='2148109']
A wildlife sanctuary island is...influencial to Pacific Ocean politics? Do you people fear Tahoe that much? This is completely irrational.
[/quote]
"Perhaps the nation making this comment would be better advised to educate themselves better on strategies. Tahoe is hypocritical because it claimed the same place was a Viniland Military Base with classified technology and then later a wildlife sanctuary. What lie would they propagate next? It is not a matter of fearing Tahoe, it is the matter of hoisting them up their own petard."


[quote name='Kaiser Martens' date='01 February 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1264967363' post='2148109']
Or your own. All that you have simply said is that expanding - being imperialist - is [i]fine[/i], as long as he does it within his continent. So, if he were to invade every nation in his home continent, you're saying that it would be good, while otherwise a tiny little inhabited island elsewhere constitutes an act of war? Have you ever considered what you said, and the deaths implied in your thoughts if Tahoe were to do as you think?

Lastly, will these be YOUR policies for your continent? Expanding at others' expense? So far it seems so.
[/quote]
"We never said it was fine, we just recognized it as the policy Tahoe has been following for considerable time in Americas with impunity. Though something is not palatable to us, we may not be able to reject its existence. The world remembers when Tahoe supported the invasion and destruction of a smaller nation in Texas and countless other such incidents.

Our interest in this is to prevent the influence of such a nation from increasing in Asia/Oceanic regions. have your or any of your allied nations ever tried to prevent Tahoe from its policies? Have you too not stood silent, and does that silence mean that you agree with the Tahoe policies or you are unable to influence it? So please understand what is being said and not try to put words in other people's mouths. "


[quote name='Kaiser Martens' date='01 February 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1264967363' post='2148109']
When you threaten war against a nation which has allies, you're supposed to be threatened back. Geography has little to do with it. To me it sounds like some petty revenge, fighting over this small piece of land...empty land. What are you trying to do, bandwagon in favor of Pacifica to try to push your nation's own goals at the expense of being a warmongering lackey?

Regardless, we know how this will end: Tahoe [i]will[/i] resist all foreign aggression and will retain its territorial integrity.
[/quote]

"Petty revenge? No, simply strategic prudence. We do not like to see Americans acting as if they are a law unto their own. If they wish to enforce a policyn of supremacy and insulation in their continent, fine, we shall not interfere, but when they start interfering in other spheres of influence they will be challenged. The world does not owe fealty to Tahoe and its lackeys, though some nations may be willing to do vertebral exercises to appease them.

As regards what interest Cochin has, what interests do we have indeed? We have manifestly nothing to gain and much to lose, however strategically we feel it prudent to support Greater Pacifica's goals as we would be able to show once and for all that Asia/Pacific shall no longer be a playground for the whims and fancies of other continents. Asia would never be insular like North America, it has presences by several European and American nations, but those are nations with manifestly peaceful intents. Tahoe is a nation which we believe cannot be trusted to not destroy the peace and stability we have gained after long yearsb of strife."

[quote name='Kaiser Martens' date='01 February 2010 - 01:19 AM' timestamp='1264967363' post='2148109']
Now all that's left to see is how many people you will murder to obtain a few square kilometers worth of trees and grass in the middle of nowhere. At least Proxia fought against a territory on a mainland which had a military base, but this? Come on...
[/quote]

"We once again urge you to open your vision a little. It is not a matter of a few square kilometers, it is the matter of taking a stand. We are also interested to see how you have refused to acknowledge Tahoe's vacillating stand about military base and wildlife reserve existing alternately on the island. We truly admire your vertebral dexterity."

[Jordosaur94]

"I have the best idea: How about both nations cease their claims and it becomes a neutral territory? Both nations administer control over it and it exists only as nature reserve and a minor refuel station, everybody wins!" -Unknown Government employee

[Markus Wilding]

[quote name='Jordosaur94' date='31 January 2010 - 08:48 PM' timestamp='1264988887' post='2148965']
"I have the best idea: How about both nations cease their claims and it becomes a neutral territory? Both nations administer control over it and it exists only as nature reserve and a minor refuel station, everybody wins!" -Unknown Government employee
[/quote]
"If only such naïvety existed in Tahoe and GP, then the whole WORLD could be united!"
- Stephen Colbert

[Mergerberger II]

[quote name='Jordosaur94' date='31 January 2010 - 08:48 PM' timestamp='1264988887' post='2148965']
"I have the best idea: How about both nations cease their claims and it becomes a neutral territory? Both nations administer control over it and it exists only as nature reserve and a minor refuel station, everybody wins!" -Unknown Government employee
[/quote]

[i]"No nation in their right mind would willingly give up their sovereignty to a nation that is nothing more than a bully, attempting to push them around simply because they can and because the world as a whole is too naïve to see their true motivations"[/i]
[right]Magan de Vries
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Revolutionary Socialist Syndicate of the Netherlands
Message Approved by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Message Approved by Office of the Prime Minister[/right]

[JEDCJT]

[quote name='Markus Wilding' date='31 January 2010 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1264989178' post='2149006']
"If only such naïvety existed in Tahoe and GP, then the whole WORLD could be united!"
- Stephen Colbert
[/quote]

"I must agree with my impostor here."
- Stephen Colbert

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Mergerberger II' date='31 January 2010 - 08:41 PM' timestamp='1264992107' post='2149177']
[i]"No nation in their right mind would willingly give up their sovereignty to a nation that is nothing more than a bully, attempting to push them around simply because they can and because the world as a whole is too naïve to see their true motivations"[/i]
[/quote]
"Which is why the world must make a stand against the bully that is Tahoe."

[Mergerberger II]

[quote name='Sargun' date='31 January 2010 - 10:06 PM' timestamp='1264993605' post='2149262']
"Which is why the world must make a stand against the bully that is Tahoe."
[/quote]
"I have seen no evidence of any sort of recent bullying on the part of the Tahoe Republic beyond their usual bantering about keeping people out of North America and diplomatic conflicts with Rebel Army. They are not a bully, not any longer."

[Jordosaur94]

Yes, Tahoe isn't being a bully, it's just being a bit of a cry baby.

[Mergerberger II]

[quote name='Jordosaur94' date='31 January 2010 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1264994951' post='2149368']
Yes, Tahoe isn't being a bully, it's just being a bit of a cry baby.
[/quote]
"I see less evidence of the Tahoe Republic being a 'crybaby' than of them being a bully. At least they actually were the latter at one point."

[Sargun II]

"Calling Tahoe a crybaby is sort of like calling the RSSN dishonorable. They just simply aren't. Whoever sends these messages out should be harshly rebuked for their idiocy."

[Jordosaur94]

Well, apologies then, for Tahoe seems to be just paranoid.

[Lavo]

[quote name='Mergerberger II' date='31 January 2010 - 10:25 PM' timestamp='1264994755' post='2149350']
"I have seen no evidence of any sort of recent bullying on the part of the Tahoe Republic beyond their usual bantering about keeping people out of North America and diplomatic conflicts with Rebel Army. They are not a bully, not any longer."
[/quote]
"Diplomatic conflicts? Tahoe threatened to trigger a [i]world war[/i] over us having Rebel forces protecting Ecuador. They ranted on and on over 'American for Americans' and having Ecuador being protected by Ecuadorians, which is [i]exactly[/i] what we were doing. Then of course, they had to be nice and hypocritical and set up an AFB in Africa. If this isn't an example of bullying and gunboat diplomacy, what is? Tahoe has shown nothing but being an aggressive nation that expands whenever it has the chance to, and whenever it is in their interests. Midway is a Pacific island, regardless of how much spin you put on it. In addition, it's fate is not even certain. At first it was claimed to have a significant amount of military hardware and equipment, now it's a wildlife reserve. Which of these is the truth? The answer to this is not clear. What is clear, is that Tahoe should not be expanding it's influence into the Pacific realm, and this must be stopped now rather than later. As such, Rebel Army supports Greater Pacifica in all means possible, diplomatically and militarily."

-Lavo Shalam, recently forced back to work

[Jordosaur94]

*Private*

"I wonder if Rebel Army's paranoid?"
-Drunk man wondering to himself

Edited February 1, 2010 by Jordosaur94

[iamthey]

"If you require a further example of Tahoan continental domination you need only visit the territory of Florida. After months of effective FRG control Tahoe still has troops occupying the territory and violating FRG sovereignty If a war does occur, it will be much less about the administrator of Midway or Hawaii, and much more about the reality that those respective occupations represent. That Tahoe has used their influence and their power to impose their will and influence areas and peoples that they shouldn't have. This isn't a war over land, its an international referendum on Tahoe." - Pacifican International Journalist

Edited February 1, 2010 by iamthey

[James Wilson]

[quote name='Jordosaur94' date='31 January 2010 - 10:46 PM' timestamp='1264995977' post='2149441']
"I wonder if Rebel Army's paranoid?"
-Drunk man wondering to himself
[/quote]
The Empire inquires if it is common practice for a nation to broadcast what certain citizens are thinking especially when they are intoxicated...

[Jordosaur94]

Well, the FRG does have a habit of interfering in the Florida panhandle in the first place, and yes, it was wrong for Tahoe to interfere there, it was wrong for the FRG to interfere in Florida, too. Maybe it's best for both nations to let Florida go so it'll become an independent state.

[loannes]

[quote name='Jordosaur94' date='01 February 2010 - 04:15 AM' timestamp='1264997709' post='2149529']
Well, the FRG does have a habit of interfering in the Florida panhandle in the first place, and yes, it was wrong for Tahoe to interfere there, it was wrong for the FRG to interfere in Florida, too. Maybe it's best for both nations to let Florida go so it'll become an independent state.
[/quote]

"I'd like to request that you not allow your nation's special needs students to take field trips into your communications room. FRG is a North American nation, and it's perfectly in their rights to peacefully stabilize their region."

-HRH King James II

[iamthey]

OOC: As it looks like Tahoe will be out until the 9th we'll be putting this RP on hold until a later date. Have fun in lativa.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=57034&view=findpost&p=2150013

Edited February 1, 2010 by iamthey

[Botha]

[quote name='Lavo_2' date='31 January 2010 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1264995776' post='2149430']Then of course, they had to be nice and hypocritical and set up an AFB in Africa. If this isn't an example of bullying and gunboat diplomacy, what is?[/quote]

This is typical - and excuse the pun - baseless Rebel Army propaganda.

As the nation whom Tahoe asked about regarding permission to set up AFB facilities in Transvaal, not for one minute was our government pressured to agree. The Republic of Transvaal has had years of strong and close relations with the Tahoe Republic and our government not for one moment had any doubts about their request. Rest assured that if we had said 'no', they would have respected that decision with no negative ramifications to our continued relations.

In other words, it is difficult to have gunboat diplomacy take place between like-minded allies.

[Zoot Zoot]

New Canada warns the Reich not to antagonise a super power, it never does end well, if you have nothing constructive to say, then dont say anything at all, you seem out of your depth here.
Secondly, it is NOT the FRG anymore, its the Northern Republic.
Thirdly, the Florida panhandle is NR sovreign Territory, and I would imagine, if it seriously opposed NR ownership of the Panhandle, they would act on it and force them out, but they havnt, so your discussions are moot in regards to the Northern Republics hold on the Panhandle.

We must agree wiuth HisRoyal Highness James II, keep your special needs students OFF your official Government channels.

Edit
OOC, >.<
just saw Iamthey's post.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Zoot Zoot

[Lavo]

[quote name='Botha' date='01 February 2010 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1265010032' post='2150120']
This is typical - and excuse the pun - baseless Rebel Army propaganda.

As the nation whom Tahoe asked about regarding permission to set up AFB facilities in Transvaal, not for one minute was our government pressured to agree. The Republic of Transvaal has had years of strong and close relations with the Tahoe Republic and our government not for one moment had any doubts about their request. Rest assured that if we had said 'no', they would have respected that decision with no negative ramifications to our continued relations.

In other words, it is difficult to have gunboat diplomacy take place between like-minded allies.
[/quote]
We know perfectly well that you allowed the base, that is not the issue. What is the issue about the base is unwelcome American influence in Africa. And regardless of whether the base is welcome or not, it is a perfect example of Tahoean hypocrisy, telling nations they are not allowed to properly defend their own territory, but Tahoe can station military forces right in their backyard.

OOC: Seeing as this whole war's been put on hold, consider my military movements as not happened/on hold 'till then. >_>

[Sarah Tintagyl]

[quote name='iamthey' date='01 February 2010 - 06:54 AM' timestamp='1265007273' post='2150060']
OOC: As it looks like Tahoe will be out until the 9th we'll be putting this RP on hold until a later date. Have fun in lativa.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=57034&view=findpost&p=2150013
[/quote]

OOC: Woot! Time to sleep!

[Botha]

[quote name='Lavo_2' date='01 February 2010 - 04:27 AM' timestamp='1265027240' post='2150274']What is the issue about the base is unwelcome American influence in Africa.[/quote]

[color="#483D8B"]It may be unwelcome in Africa to *some* - but to others, such as the nations of Southern Africa, it is either openly welcome (in the case of Transvaal and Rhodesia) or essentially a non-issue (in the case of Arctica, who hasn't complained).

Has anyone thought for a moment that perhaps Tahoe was invited into the region - as a defensive measure and counterweight on account of the unwanted actions of our northern neighbours such as Rebel Army and the others who invaded our friends in Somalia? [/color]

Edited February 1, 2010 by Botha