Poyplemonkeys Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) o/ FOK, supporting the raiding of small alliances, how far you have fallen. Supporting their allies and preventing Polaris from giving the beat down they desired is quite different. Edited January 25, 2010 by Poyplemonkeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M6 Redneck Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Can I call it stupidity - going into conflict for a reason you do not believe in. That is what you just said isnt it? M6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micheal Malone Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Can I call it stupidity - going into conflict for a reason you do not believe in. That is what you just said isnt it? M6 How is going to war for your allies a reason we do not believe in? Just curious where you're going with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) o/ FOK, supporting the raiding of small alliances, how far you have fallen. An ally was involved in a war (not referring \m/). Not just any ally but one of the most loyal allies on this planet. An ally isn't even the proper word: Friends is more applicable. They were fighting someone much bigger, brave as always, and could use support. We help our friends, in good times and in bad. Whenever and wherever. That's more just and logical then the reasons of NpO which had no ties whatsoever with FoA but somehow choose to defend them again (they have done that before). However, none of that matters at this point. Together with our friends we also call our allies: NpO and their followers (alliances and members) will tremble before us. They will have nightmares for years to come after we are done. Jihad! Edited January 25, 2010 by shakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suryanto tan Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 This is good to see. o/ FOK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Longhorn Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Supporting allies and coming to their defence is one thing but supporting them after raiding a 30+ man alliance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micheal Malone Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Supporting allies and coming to their defence is one thing but supporting them after raiding a 30+ man alliance? Oh, so NOW what PC did was bad, but not bad enough for the initial attack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Call it whatever you want. I see it as standing with my allies. You, like PC, miss the big picture when you use this argument – although at least PC were legally obliged to enter so they can't really be blamed for it. By turning a small war into a large one, you will almost certainly make sure that PC are at war for longer, lose more infrastructure and end up in a worse position than they would have done to begin with. Unless you are calling NpO leadership liars – Grub has repeatedly said that peace is easy to obtain and essentially only requires the raiding alliances to follow their charter requirements on target alliance size – it would not have been difficult to support your allies in getting a quick peace. It is admirable to stand with your friends but that does not mean charging in with all guns blazing and escalating a war is the most effective way to help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Longhorn Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Oh, so NOW what PC did was bad, but not bad enough for the initial attack... Things were handled before the initial attack, but yeah what PC did was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) Supporting allies and coming to their defence is one thing but supporting them after raiding a 30+ man alliance? That was because NpO responded with a 430+ raid on a 80+ alliance. Edit: why isn't everyone happy they can throw their pixels around and have some fun? That's what the game is about imho. Edited January 25, 2010 by erikz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyber Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 This back and for arguement about hypocracy seems silly to me. History of CN is littered with people takeing sides on beliefs. Part of the reason I loved Grämlins so much back in the day of Syz. Things have not changed. FOK believes this is a war of aggression by the NpO and doesn't believe anything the NpO has said. So be it. NpO says that their war is honestly over morals, and having talked to Grub and Penguin, I believe they honestly are doing it because of that reason. I don't think either side is lieing, and while everyone wants to spin for the PR machine all sides are free to have opinions on the matter. All I can say is thank you FOK for turning what would have been a little side war into a full fledge global war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBallMan Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 While I think that what \m/, GOONs and PC did was egregious, I cannot argue with an ally honoring both the spirit and the word of a treaty. I know PC enough to know that if they'd asked you formally to stay out, that of course you would have, as the flipside to their much vaunted loyalty. As events are due to unfold, I would hope that no one would go so far as to suggest that an alliance violating the words of their own charter is somehow honorable and equal to the honor put forth by alliances like FOK who meet the letter of their word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Longhorn Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) That was because NpO responded with a 430+ raid on a 80+ alliance. That was because \m/ were blatantly disrespectful when approched by our Emperor and handled correctly could have been averted, a bit of common decency goes a long way, but i dont expect everyone to be capable of such traits. This can be argued over and over but im bored of it now so good luck and see you on the battlefield. Edited January 25, 2010 by Alfie Riddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratonbox Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 This is interesting.. Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Good luck FOK, may your SDI's be the ones that defy logic and mathematics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divi Filius Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Good luck FOK, may your SDI's be the ones that defy logic and mathematics. Oh don't worry. We have a little trick for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch3004 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 you will almost certainly make sure that PC are at war for longer, Meh lose more infrastructure LOL and end up in a worse position than they would have done to begin with. After seeing this thread, among others, I don't exactly find this true. FOK you are awesome allies and have proven to be great friends. We will never be in a worse position with friends like you by our side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Brings a tear to my eye. o/ FOK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Oh don't worry. We have a little trick for that. Hehe, I was hoping someone still had the link for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Longhorn Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Oh don't worry. We have a little trick for that. lol, i was thinking about this earlier today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 While FOK and I almost never see eye-to-eye, I wish our Orange brethren well in their endeavor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WcaesarD Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 I, for one, am glad to see someone supporting thier friends. Well done FOK. o/ The Free World! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consul of Monkeys Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 While I do not agree with the OP and detest tech raiding, I can certainly understand why FOK has come to its decision, and respect them for defending their friends. I truely wish you all the best of luck and hope for a swift resolution to hostilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Things were handled before the initial attack, but yeah what PC did was bad. LMAO @ you, you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts, Grub/NpO never even spoke to PC prior to the intial attack, nothing was handled. NpO was to fearful of this happening to attack PC for the same supposed reasons it was attacking \m/. Just another classless manuever from a NpO Emperor, too bad NpO's allies are going to burn for Grubs lack of class and decorum. also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micheal Malone Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 LMAO @ you, you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts, Grub/NpO never even spoke to PC prior to the intial attack, nothing was handled. NpO was to fearful of this happening to attack PC for the same supposed reasons it was attacking \m/. Just another classless manuever from a NpO Emperor, too bad NpO's allies are going to burn for Grubs lack of class and decorum. also To be fair, in Grub's initial DoW, he said he knew one of your allies was going to defend, and expected them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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