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Sir William, I can understand why you need to save face, but what you do is simply not right. I cannot imagine how the following fact that I will reveal here now would undermine your credibility as a leader and the credibility of your alliance. [Dec 9, 2013] When you first come to us, you message UnknownSmurf, asking if he still represents Kaskus. [spoiler] [/spoiler] [Dec 11, 2013] And then, you start the conversation by citing our damage ratio, and warning us to not thinking about demanding your surrender in the soon-to-follow peace discussion. As soon as we see this, we understand that you want to save face from having to pull out from the war that you cannot afford fighting anymore. We decide that it is best to not giving you hard time, and to let you have the white peace you asked. Besides, as you told us, if you pull out, we can focus more on SL, RIA, and DL. [spoiler] [/spoiler] [Dec 13, 2013] And then, before the announcement you send us a draft asking if we need to put a signature on it. The draft clearly states that we both agreed to white peace and NOT you granting us peace as you post it here. You have violate our trust by posting something then the agreed upon draft. [spoiler] [/spoiler] If I utterly humiliate you, I am sorry, but to be honest, you probably deserve it. I am not sure what kind of lie you will come up next to defend your position, but before you come up with any, please understand that a leader has to have dignity to earn respect from your followers. Minus that, you are just a garbage in the trash. We give you trust, and we shook hand on the ground of "Gentleman Agreement" as you put it, but you decide to go as low as you did. That is not a smart move, my friend. regards, Tan

Laughing hard at the wording of this announcement. I am pretty sure that when you first approach us for peace, you are careful enough to not be this cocky. You want out and we help you out. The least you can do is to be courteous about it. Instead you turn this around to save your face. Everyone know that it is not you granting peace when you are the one who have to leave the battlefield. I guess it is a mistake to trust you that you will be a gentleman about it.

Surrender accepted. Thank you. Please kindly change your AA to Kaskus POW.

I would rather keep this thread clean from such discussion and use it for propaganda purpose only. But to answer your question of why we decided to stay on this one but bowed out when PB entered, the reason is simple: It is because VE and friends executed it very very well when they decided to come in to help out GOONS. They did it so well that we could not find a single offensive slot to use at that time. It made no sense to continue the war when you were in such position, because they could cycle through with who they wanted to send in to receive the damage. In that position, you cannot plan anything, and the play is all theirs. That is the key difference. Believe me, it has never been an emotional decision, it has always been calculated ones. All is calculated and carefully thought through, based on numbers, not on silly hate nor on dumb fear.

I cannot afford another hour to work on this. So you just gonna have to live with it. :p

Not very good at propaganda stuff. But this is all I can come up with. Hope it is appropriate and entertaining.

You know we would love to join you for old time sake. But NSO is not ready yet to make such offer.

Good to see that you are still a solid and dependable ally. I had never doubt you, but still good to see this to re-affirm what I already believe. An easy choice will be abandoning your friends in the losing side and find excuses to be pull into the winning side, like LOSS do in this war, or BFF and International did in many many war before. Good to see. Good luck, and may you win the battle.

LOSS: We pick the bigger half because they are the one who actually need help. Shame on you, Loss.

Here is the updated statistic for today. In the first post, I mistakenly used my time zone to stamp the date. From now on, I will post in CN time. The newest entry of data is from 1/26/2013 17:23 Active War Statistics of The Equilibrium War Alliance with Most Active War 1/26/2013 Orange Defense Network 478 Anarchy Inc. 398 The International 319 Nato 252 Umbrella 190 Viridian Entente 181 New Pacific Order 158 The Order Of The Paradox 158 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism 135 Kaskus 121 Alliance with Most Offensive War 1/26/2013 New Pacific Order 149 Viridian Entente 109 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism 108 Orange Defense Network 107 Nato 95 Sparta 85 The International 76 Anarchy Inc. 75 Mushroom Kingdom 65 Nuclear Proliferation League 62 Alliances with Most Defensive War 1/26/2013 Orange Defense Network 371 Anarchy Inc. 323 The International 243 Umbrella 158 Nato 157 The Order Of The Paradox 113 Viridian Entente 72 Kaskus 72 The Last Remnants 51 Sparta 32 [spoiler] Updated on January, 26, 2013 (CN Time) Rank Alliance Active Offensive War Active Defensive War Total Number of War Percentange 1 Orange Defense Network 107 371 478 209.65% 2 Anarchy Inc. 75 323 398 180.09% 3 The International 76 243 319 306.73% 4 Nato 95 157 252 127.27% 5 Umbrella 32 158 190 218.39% 6 Viridian Entente 109 72 181 120.67% 7 The Order Of The Paradox 45 113 158 149.06% 8 New Pacific Order 149 9 158 46.2% 9 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism 108 27 135 90.6% 10 Kaskus 49 72 121 336.11% 11 Sparta 85 32 117 67.24% 12 Mushroom Kingdom 65 26 91 68.42% 13 The Last Remnants 32 51 83 71.55% 14 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 57 14 71 21.45% 15 Nuclear Proliferation League 62 4 66 44.59% 16 The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons 49 16 65 61.9% 17 Invicta 56 6 62 91.18% 18 New Polar Order 44 16 60 22.81% 19 Nusantara Elite Warriors 50 2 52 62.65% 20 New Sith Order 21 26 47 41.23% 21 North Atlantic Defense Coalition 33 7 40 38.46% 22 Death Before Dishonor 37 3 40 31.25% 23 Shangri-La 15 24 39 54.17% 24 Fark 34 1 35 23.03% 25 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 28 4 32 25.2% 26 The Templar Knights 26 3 29 22.48% 27 Random Insanity Alliance 26 3 29 32.58% 28 Global Order Of Darkness 25 3 28 59.57% 29 The Imperial Order 20 7 27 13.64% 30 RnR 22 5 27 13.04% 31 The Legion 22 3 25 14.2% 32 The Sweet Oblivion 10 13 23 109.52% 33 The Dark Templar 22 1 23 31.94% 34 Global Alliance And Treaty Organization 8 14 22 11.4% 35 Christian Coalition Of Countries 20 0 20 23.81% 36 The Phoenix Federation 19 0 19 16.1% 37 Libertarian Socialist Federation 18 0 18 58.06% 38 Doombird Doomcave 8 9 17 212.5% 39 The Order Of Righteous Nations 16 1 17 53.13% 40 World Task Force 7 9 16 9.14% 41 Mostly Harmless Alliance 12 4 16 7.24% 42 The Order Of The Reaper 9 5 14 70% 43 Aurora Borealis 6 5 11 37.93% 44 Zulu 9 2 11 183.33% 45 Avalanche 10 1 11 37.93% 46 LoSS 11 0 11 6.29% 47 ODN Applicant 1 9 10 40% 48 TOP Applicant 0 9 9 225% 49 Darkfall 3 6 9 180% 50 Argent 9 0 9 20.45% [/spoiler]

So many alliances claim to take part in this war, but perhaps only a few of them actually set out to fight them. Here is a summary of the active war as of January, 25, 2013 (CN Time). Newest entry of data 1/25/2013 5:21 Edit: change from local time zone to CN time. Active War Statistics of The Equilibrium War Alliance with Most Active War Orange Defense Network 446 Anarchy Inc. 360 The International 304 Umbrella 261 NATO 257 The Order Of The Paradox 156 Kaskus 120 Sparta 101 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism 92 Viridian Entente 72 Alliance with Most Offensive War Anarchy Inc. 121 NATO 99 Orange Defense Network 95 Sparta 77 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism 77 The International 70 Viridian Entente 68 New Pacific Order 66 Nuclear Proliferation League 58 Invicta 53 Alliances with Most Defensive War Orange Defense Network 351 Anarchy Inc. 239 The International 234 Umbrella 213 NATO 158 The Order Of The Paradox 111 Kaskus 78 The Last Remnants 32 New Sith Order 28 Sparta 24 [spoiler] Updated on January, 25, 2013 (CN Time) Rank Alliance Total Nations Active Offensive War Active Defensive War Total Number of War Percentange 1 Orange Defense Network 230 95 351 446 193.91% 2 Anarchy Inc. 221 121 239 360 162.9% 3 The International 104 70 234 304 292.31% 4 Umbrella 89 48 213 261 293.26% 5 NATO 201 99 158 257 127.86% 6 The Order Of The Paradox 106 45 111 156 147.17% 7 Kaskus 37 42 78 120 324.32% 8 Sparta 176 77 24 101 57.39% 9 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism 151 77 15 92 60.93% 10 Viridian Entente 150 68 4 72 48% 11 New Pacific Order 342 66 5 71 20.76% 12 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 328 50 20 70 21.34% 13 Nuclear Proliferation League 151 58 2 60 39.74% 14 Invicta 68 53 6 59 86.76% 15 The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons 107 44 14 58 54.21% 16 Mushroom Kingdom 133 37 19 56 42.11% 17 The Last Remnants 116 22 32 54 46.55% 18 New Sith Order 115 25 28 53 46.09% 19 Nusantara Elite Warriors 82 48 0 48 58.54% 20 The Imperial Order 198 34 9 43 21.72% 21 New Polar Order 263 32 11 43 16.35% 22 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 129 28 6 34 26.36% 23 Death Before Dishonor 128 32 1 33 25.78% 24 Fark 151 32 1 33 21.85% 25 North Atlantic Defense Coalition 106 28 2 30 28.3% 26 The Templar Knights 130 26 3 29 22.31% 27 Shangri-la 72 13 14 27 37.5% 28 Random Insanity Alliance 89 25 1 26 29.21% 29 Global Order Of Darkness 47 20 3 23 48.94% 30 The Dark Templar 72 22 1 23 31.94% 31 RnR 205 19 4 23 11.22% 32 The Legion 176 19 3 22 12.5% 33 DOOMBIRD DOOMCAVE 7 12 7 19 271.43% 34 Libertarian Socialist Federation 31 18 0 18 58.06% 35 The Phoenix Federation 118 18 0 18 15.25% 36 The Sweet Oblivion 21 8 8 16 76.19% 37 Christian Coalition Of Countries 84 16 0 16 19.05% 38 Global Alliance And Treaty Organization 194 7 9 16 8.25% 39 World Task Force 176 7 8 15 8.52% 40 Mostly Harmless Alliance 220 10 3 13 5.91% 41 The Order Of The Reaper 20 9 2 11 55% 42 Avalanche 29 10 1 11 37.93% 43 Aurora Borealis 30 6 5 11 36.67% 44 The Order Of Righteous Nations 32 11 0 11 34.38% 45 LoSS 176 9 1 10 5.68% 46 TOP Applicant 4 0 9 9 225% 47 ODN Applicant 29 1 8 9 31.03% 48 Argent 45 9 0 9 20% 49 Ragnarok 54 9 0 9 16.67% 50 Berwickia 13 6 0 6 46.15% [/spoiler]

Enjoy , brother.

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1358745449' post='3081653'] This is absolutely pathetic, literally 30 nations not in peace mode and 3 in anarchy an hour before war. I expected a lot better, the Kingdom really has fallen. [/quote] If you understand anything about war strategy. MK is genius in this kind of stuff. They actually use their head to think instead of just trying to score an easy win with numbers. If you cannot see the strategy, ask your MoD. If your MoD do not understand, move to a better alliance.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1358360618' post='3077609'] You've only got [b]3[/b] nations that can declare war right now anyways, [b]4[/b] after update when a slot expires. Those [b]40[/b] [i]have choice[/i] when they come out (Many of them aren't even in war range anyways ... aww) I thought this was supposed to be a propaganda thread of some sort. This is dismal. Take this banter to the DoW threads or IRC. [/quote] My bad, Rayvon. It was a spontaneous post. I guess there is no good propagandist in both NSO and Kaskus to make quality propaganda.

[quote name='Tiber Septim' timestamp='1358306784' post='3077337'] To be completely honest all I saw was Kaskus trying to block aid slots by filling them with 1m offers. A cheap trick, thinly veiled at best. And as to the NPO part: We wrecked your alliance. Period. It's past time to accept that. NPO wanted a piece of you because you were taunting them publicly. We're giving them their turn. To use a metaphor I'm sure many of us are familiar with: It's like putting marijuana in a grinder. We ground you into smokeable sizes and some of you into fine dust, now NPO is going to turn you into resin and ash. Two guesses as to why I chose that metaphor. [/quote] It will be convincing if you do not have 40 nations hiding in peace mode.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1358285999' post='3077125'] You have 4x as many nations. 3x as many in range of the majority of Kaskus. If you were at all competent you would use 2 to war, 1 to stagger and the 4th to cycle peace mode (which lasts less than a round of war). [/quote] Smurf, let us stop giving them tips. They have their own way of doing things. They have a lot to learn, but I am sure they will catch up soon or later. Everyone, including NSO, is capable of learning, and that can become a problem for us.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1358240360' post='3076766'] You fit perfectly in The International, you have so much in common. [/quote] Quote for truth. Both has history of abandoning allies in need and switching side to be on the bigger half.

This is good to see! Welcome back.

None --> GPA--> TOOL --> TORN --> TPF --> NEW --> KASKUS

[quote name='Robster83' timestamp='1357915498' post='3074767'] Certainly. Don't blame the FEAR and WolfPack folk. The high majority of them are still class. [/quote] Agree. It is just that Europa is the one who make all the call on behalf of BFF. We know FEAR very well, wolfpack I cannot really say, but FEAR always vouch for them 100% and they never disappointing. The original FEAR will not pull something like this. Dropping treaty is one thing, but to work out a backroom deal to limit the damage on themselves while let NEW get toast, that is really disgusting.

[quote name='Altheus' timestamp='1357910860' post='3074737'] That is interesting to say the least. Could you expand? [/quote] May be not UPN it could be Invicta. Purple alliances looks all the same to me (sorry). I have the log somewhere, perhaps I can look it up. I am pretty sure I have posted it in NEW government forum, though. We need to dig, will take time.

I have to ask, but is it true that BFF actually struck a deal for a non-nuclear war so that they can limit the damage they would have taken just so that they can save face and pretend to be "honorable"? Not that I am surprised, but still I cannot believe it actually happens to us. I remembered when I was in NEW leadership and BFF told us (actually it is Europa told FEAR and FEAR told us) that they intentionally treaty to both UPN and GOONS which are on opposite side just so that they can choose the winning side when a war break. You guys are truly terrible. Just 1 week ago, you come to us asking us to get ready to defend you because you were about to protect someone in some alliance ZI list. IS the MADP a one way things for you? You get to tell us to go to war to defend you anytime you need, but when the situation is reverse you are citing hundreds of protocol breach to get out of it? NEW will never blink a bit no matter how bad your odd is fighting your enemy. They will defend you no matter what, at all cost. But you pulling this kind of stuff. Truly deplorable. Sad to see the good friend in FEAR got bad influence from the sissy of Europa. FEAR, we still think you are good people who got mixed with the wrong kind. Terrible kind. Coward and opportunist. I have yet to see BFF being honorable. Do not cite the DF-KASKUS war. In that war, BFF surrender in 3 days, and complaining all the way. Members of iFOK and PC however, support us restlessly and for that we are forever in debt with them.

[quote name='Tir Nan Og' timestamp='1357832562' post='3073917'] This looks realy familiar... hmm. [/quote] At least GOONS hold on long enough before calling in allies. And at least you were being frank about it. NSO however trying to hide behind excuses instead of admitting the fact that they are desperately needed help in a war they promised they would fight fairly 1 on 1.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1357831396' post='3073899'] It's a good thing NEW is worried about their allies, and not the alliance they just threw further under the bus. Not every situation is black and white. Kaskus did everything to provoke a war, ignored every avenue of accepted protocol. NEW, aiding an alliance at war whom they do not share a treaty with, are also throwing away these accepted protocols. Rather than spin this war further, NPO has come to our side to keep further involvement on the side of Kaskus out. As it's become generally accepted, and painfully obvious, that the only way to put these Indo's to bed is to kill them with fire. NEW came along and threw more wood on that fire as we battle to extinguish it, so we called in a second pumper truck to contain the spread. If they want to yet again try and and stoke the flames, they'll get burned. Otherwise, the main fire will be focused on and stomped out. NEW was very aware of exactly what they were doing, and very aware that it was an act of war. I talked to Vibi only a couple hours after the fact. Those of you !@#$%*ing that NEW should have been the hit target, I bet are very many of the same people that !@#$%*ed that it should be ended with[i]out[/i] escalation, well this is our way of limiting that escalation also. You're welcome, BFF. [/quote] Oh come on. You needed help and has been looking for every excuse to call in your allies. Man to man here, no need to be ashamed, admit that you needed help in a war you promised that you would fight and would enjoy fighting on your own. Do you want me to go to your DoW thread and quote your change of tone as it progressed?

[quote name='BrJLa' timestamp='1357824768' post='3073833'] Sorry, but there's a bigger world out there than that. [/quote] Apology accepted.