Luciferi Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Or should there just never be any wars, ever? This would be rather unfortunate, for Hell needs fresh souls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm surprised this is still going on. BTW, I heard Grämlins dropped all their treaties. Surely a good target for some robbin' and killin' evil tech thieves, mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Every aggressive action in this game is classified as being unjust Its partly your fault. In the Vox jihad against NPO, and in growing your culture of hate on NPO, you build this war of "morals", using all available propaganda weapons you could come up with. NPO enabled a "evil" world, one in which among other things, alliances got brutalized in senseless tech raids. There are people that fell for that. Edited January 17, 2010 by Branimir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Have you forgotten that the NSO does not raid alliances? Heft, a quick look at the NSO war screen shows 29 active and peaced wars 4 of them against AA's, one of those AA's is over 40 members and another is over 20, what say you now? http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...20Leaf%20Clover http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...iance=red%20rum http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...k%20BrotherHood http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...ists%20Republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I'm just curious -Every aggressive action in this game is classified as being unjust, and 95% of these people complaining have done similar, or worse, actions at some point. So why do you complain? Did you turn a leaf and become a hippie when you got beat down? Do you have a political agenda? Or should there just never be any wars, ever? Even those without any terms at the end? Ideally, there shouldn't be any wars. However, in reality, war is sometimes necessary to defend one's alliance or one's allies since diplomacy and peace talks don't always work out. However, I don't see any legitimate excuse to using force to attain materials which could have been attained through peaceful means. To be fair, most aggressive action in planet bob is unjust; most arise from simply misunderstandings that could have been solved by keeping an open mind. Sadly, whenever a conflict arises, the opposing parties come in with a negative image of each other, interpret each other's comments negatively, and conclude that there is no peaceful resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Yes but does that make it justified in general?No. being in Q leadership at the time...did you ever express concern to your allies about the wars? I'm not trying to troll. I'm just genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 To be honest, i don't give a flying $%&@. An alliance can do whatever it wants but they have to pay the repercussions of their actions. Are you just going to chirp loudly, or are you going to do something about it. Business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Its partly your fault. In the Vox jihad against NPO, and in growing your culture of hate on NPO, you build this war of "morals", using all available propaganda weapons you could come up with. NPO enabled a "evil" world, one in which among other things, alliances got brutalized in senseless tech raids. There are people that fell for that. I know. I admitted to it in my topic about Vox. It was an unfortunate side effect. I'll just have to do my part to fix it. However, you had to be brought down. I am perfectly fine with any war without harsh, crippling terms to end it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciferi Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Ideally, there shouldn't be any wars. However, in reality, war is sometimes necessary to defend one's alliance or one's allies since diplomacy and peace talks don't always work out. Not really. War is never necessary. Existence is necessary (for that which exists or will exist, anyway). War is chosen by those who wage it, whether an alliance or an individual nation. Legitimacy is not a concern, for we make our own choices and decisions. It is the only real freedom granted. Edited January 17, 2010 by Luciferi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I know. I admitted to it in my topic about Vox. It was an unfortunate side effect. I'll just have to do my part to fix it.However, you had to be brought down. I am perfectly fine with any war without harsh, crippling terms to end it. Yet thats exactly what was done to NPO, sad how it all turned out really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Ideally, there shouldn't be any wars. However, in reality, war is sometimes necessary to defend one's alliance or one's allies since diplomacy and peace talks don't always work out. However, I don't see any legitimate excuse to using force to attain materials which could have been attained through peaceful means. To be fair, most aggressive action in planet bob is unjust; most arise from simply misunderstandings that could have been solved by keeping an open mind. Sadly, whenever a conflict arises, the opposing parties come in with a negative image of each other, interpret each other's comments negatively, and conclude that there is no peaceful resolution. That sounds like a boring world. No thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Yet thats exactly what was done to NPO, sad how it all turned out really. Nah, NPO will come out fine. Edit: You jerks didn't post, and made me double post! Edited January 17, 2010 by Starfox101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciferi Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Heft, a quick look at the NSO war screen shows 29 active and peaced wars4 of them against AA's, one of those AA's is over 40 members and another is over 20, what say you now? http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...20Leaf%20Clover http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...iance=red%20rum http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...k%20BrotherHood http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...ists%20Republic I have forgotten that NSO does not raid alliances. That's what I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Nah, NPO will come out fine. Yeah, after a year ,...of hard work and our great zeal. Imagine how many wars we could have spawned until now Anyway, this topic is not about that, and it is late for me. Later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Not really. War is never necessary. Existence is necessary (for that which exists or will exist, anyway). War is chosen by those who wage it, whether an alliance or an individual nation. Legitimacy is not a concern, for we make our own choices and decisions. It is the only real freedom granted. Yes, making our own choices and decisions is the only guaranteed freedom I believe. What I'm saying is that we should be careful when exercising this freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciferi Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Yes, making our own choices and decisions is the only guaranteed freedom I believe. What I'm saying is that we should be careful when exercising this freedom. This is up to the individual/collective making the decision. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 This is up to the individual/collective making the decision./thread Then the decision to contest the actions of anther is up to the person making the decision to do so, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Nice to see how \m/, GOONS and PC (just for you Luciferi) treats other alliances.... I was thinking along the lines of "dirt" or "fodder." I see you all a trustful group of people, Disgusting of you all who posted in the Sparta / FoA cancellation paraphrased as "good luck with dealing with raids." FoA is going to seek War Reps just so you know. Thank you for all those who defended the FoA!! We greatly appreciate all of your kindness, compassion and understanding for our alliance! o/ to all good people Edited January 17, 2010 by DarthCyfe6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Good luck getting those reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Nice to see how \m/ treats other alliances.... I was thinking along the lines of "dirt" or "fodder." I see you all a trustful group of people, Disgusting of you all who posted in the Sparta / FoA cancellation paraphrased as "good luck with dealing with raids."FoA is going to seek War Reps just so you know. Thank you for all those who defended the FoA!! We greatly appreciate all of your kindness, compassion and understanding for our alliance! o/ to all good people You will not get reps for the tech raid before your protectorate with The Corp, seek all you want, nothing will be coming. Edit: After rereading your post I think I now lean towards hoping things don't work out between you and The Corp after a weeks time and we get to raid you again. Edited January 17, 2010 by Merrie Melodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Nice to see how \m/ treats other alliances.... I was thinking along the lines of "dirt" or "fodder." I see you all a trustful group of people, Disgusting of you all who posted in the Sparta / FoA cancellation paraphrased as "good luck with dealing with raids."FoA is going to seek War Reps just so you know. Thank you for all those who defended the FoA!! We greatly appreciate all of your kindness, compassion and understanding for our alliance! o/ to all good people Ah, and so the thoughts of the vengeful are taking form. Please remember this. Would be good to get an actual war this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 You will not get reps for the tech raid before your protectorate with The Corp, seek all you want, nothing will be coming.Edit: After rereading your post I think I now lean towards hoping things don't work out between you and The Corp after a weeks time and we get to raid you again. What, are you really surprised that he's bitter towards you guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciferi Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Then the decision to contest the actions of anther is up to the person making the decision to do so, right? ... Infringed freedom tends to lead to more infringed freedom, and this is a dangerous path on which to tread.Perhaps you feel a moral obligation to decry certain acts of freedom you believe are deplorable. This is fine and as it should be. But don't make it any more than it really is. There is no such thing as a tech raid until the game allows nations to pick what resources are gained in a victory. There is only one point over which I may understand the other point -- those who are opposed provide a particular element to the game. This is important to many. It is understandable, but still does not diminish the original point of freedoms and choice. Nice to see how \m/ treats other alliances.... Hey, didn't you leave out a couple of alliances? It's not that I mind being singled out, but I believe you really ought to cite an entire situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Overall, from my perspective in my limited involvement with the situation I think things went reasonably well. We raided, they got a protectorate, we stopped. No muss no fuss. Then I come here, and wham, fuss, oh well. Despite what some might think, we respect diplomatic conventions. If only RLMMO had been so wise (if anyone remembers them now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Heft, a quick look at the NSO war screen shows 29 active and peaced wars4 of them against AA's, one of those AA's is over 40 members and another is over 20, what say you now? http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...20Leaf%20Clover http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...iance=red%20rum http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...k%20BrotherHood http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance...ists%20Republic So you believe that every single war launched by a nation flying a given AA is 1) Approved by that alliance and 2) A tech raid? So, anyway, what we've learned today is that the destruction of \m/ was a perfectly just action according to their own standards and that their alliance philosophy is basically to emulate the attitude and personality of a selfish toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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