WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 They are certainly within their rights to do so, as am I to criticize them for it. I'll repeat, I'm not speaking on behalf of TOP, I'm just a citizen in its democracy passing time on a Monday. In any event, have fun, I'll just stop for now or this might start going in circles. It's Sunday in a real timezone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Funny enough I don't remember TOP asking for diplomacy either when it helped start GWIII over a photoshopped image... I don't remember TOP asking for diplomacy when it was playing both sides of the fence and leaking private ~ discussions to the UJP, either. Uncanny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) Except, Athens and TPF were never at war. Oh really now? http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=32762 but i agree with you Edited December 28, 2009 by Rotavele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadrius Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hey, cool. Things were getting boring around here. Give 'em hell, Athens. o7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Oh really now?http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=32762 but i agree with you That was a different war than the more recent one we were referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 At least people will stop complaining about NPO attacking during negotiations now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroknia Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I'm wondering when Athens is going to go after ZH as well... I think they have perfectly good reason to hit TPF, but ZH is just as much at fault and clearly the only reason they gave logs was because of the temper tantrums over the last few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) Using a 4 month old CB is weak, even if it is solid. Performing acts of war during a global war against an alliance on the other side is not a reason for war once the surrender document was signed anyway. Disappointing. Edit: ZH, being the main vehicle through which this plan was executed, are more culpable than TPF, so the fact that they aren't being attacked makes it look more like a political rolling than a justified war. Edited December 28, 2009 by Bob Janova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 You gotta do what you gotta do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Using a 4 month old CB is weak, even if it is solid. Performing acts of war during a global war against an alliance on the other side is not a reason for war once the surrender document was signed anyway. Disappointing.Edit: ZH, being the main vehicle through which this plan was executed, are more culpable than TPF, so the fact that they aren't being attacked makes it look more like a political rolling than a justified war. didn't TOP and Gre use a months old weak CB against Polaris, where ES stated he wanted to dance on Cit's grave? that was basically weaker than this and ya'll used it with glee. i am amazed at the hypocricy of those who used that CB complaining and saying how weak this CB is...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 didn't TOP and Gre use a months old weak CB against Polaris, where ES stated he wanted to dance on Cit's grave? that was basically weaker than this and ya'll used it with glee. i am amazed at the hypocricy of those who used that CB complaining and saying how weak this CB is...... Pretty sure his argument had two points or so. I'm also positive Citadel's CB had more credibility in terms of real threat. Needless to say, a war is a war and RoK/Athens can do no wrong thanks to their great allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 didn't TOP and Gre use a months old weak CB against Polaris, where ES stated he wanted to dance on Cit's grave? that was basically weaker than this and ya'll used it with glee. i am amazed at the hypocricy of those who used that CB complaining and saying how weak this CB is...... Why dont you respond to what was said rather than who said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der_ko Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) I'm wondering when Athens is going to go after ZH as well...I think they have perfectly good reason to hit TPF, but ZH is just as much at fault and clearly the only reason they gave logs was because of the temper tantrums over the last few days. I'm confident Athens and RoK are fully capable of resolving their issues with ZH on their own and I'm even more confident they do not require nor desire the approval of uninvolved third parties to reach an agreement with ZH. Why dont you respond to what was said rather than who said it.Who decided CBs have an expiration date and how long is said expiration date? Edited December 28, 2009 by der_ko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) I'm confident Athens and RoK are fully capable of resolving their issues with ZH on their own and I'm even more confident they do not require nor desire the approval of uninvolved third parties to reach an agreement with ZH. I think we will never see a DoW against ZH regardless what rubbish was spouted earlier There is no statute of limitations for spying Who decided CBs has an expiration date and how long is said expiration date? The same person who pardons one group involved in something that happened months ago during a war but attempts to destroy the other? We all know Karma alliances are allowed to look back years for a DoW but when it is done by someone else (see GATO) they baw. Edited December 28, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 The same person who pardons one group involved in something that happened months ago during a war but attempts to destroy the other? We all know Karma alliances are allowed to look back years for a DoW but when it is done by someone else (see GATO) they baw. Who complained about GATO being rolled? The way it was done was wrong, but the CB was solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Polaris was a clear and present threat, and the old material was background to that. In this case the threatening project appears to have been terminated long ago. The infamous comment by Sponge wasn't nearly five months old at that time, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Polaris was a clear and present threat, and the old material was background to that. In this case the threatening project appears to have been terminated long ago. The infamous comment by Sponge wasn't nearly five months old at that time, either. wait seriously? you mean even after Grub took the throne and a new gov was installed, Polaris was still a threat? hardly. but then again, you won't just come out and admit that what you find so wrong with this war is exactly what happened in the old one. but the comment was old Bob. face it, you are a hypocrite denouncing this while still stating you had valid reasons for your war against Polaris. you can't have it both ways Bob. throughout all of this, the alliances that fought against Polaris have shown themselves to be hypocrites since they used outdated material as a reason for war against Polaris and never once sought diplomacy. but it does not amaze me the amount of hypocrisy that can be shown given the right circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 The same person who pardons one group involved in something that happened months ago during a war but attempts to destroy the other? We all know Karma alliances are allowed to look back years for a DoW but when it is done by someone else (see GATO) they baw. you do realize that everyone on your side has done the same. NPO, TOP, Valhalla, TPF, and the others against GATO, Polaris, NoV, and others. and you are allowing them to baw because it is happening to one of their own now. amazing the hypocrisy you are failing to show being done by your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 This isn't a thread about the BLEU war. But yes, removing a single member of the administration didn't change the position. I guess a better way to put it would be that we believed Polar to be a clear and present threat, as post-war talks straightened out a lot of things and I believe Citadel-Polar relations are reasonably good these days. The comment was old but it wasn't the CB. So no, the two situations are not the same. I know you like to make everything relate back to that war, but it isn't like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rune Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Who complained about GATO being rolled? GATO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 GATO!! You guys let ChrisKaos in, and didn't expel him. >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 you do realize that everyone on your side has done the same. NPO, TOP, Valhalla, TPF, and the others against GATO, Polaris, NoV, and others. and you are allowing them to baw because it is happening to one of their own now. amazing the hypocrisy you are failing to show being done by your side. Look on the bright side people like you have been saying since the Karma war that you lot did it so don't question us when we act like dicks instead of having to answer for your crimes. Nothing says guilty like ignoring the facts and saying you did it so can we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 This isn't a thread about the BLEU war. But yes, removing a single member of the administration didn't change the position. I guess a better way to put it would be that we believed Polar to be a clear and present threat, as post-war talks straightened out a lot of things and I believe Citadel-Polar relations are reasonably good these days.The comment was old but it wasn't the CB. So no, the two situations are not the same. I know you like to make everything relate back to that war, but it isn't like that. one member???? you on crack. damn near the entire gov changed try again. and guess what to Athens, due to history, TPF is a clear and present danger. zomg it is still exactly the same except one major difference, mhawk is still in charge. which means they are even more of a threat than Polaris was. and the comment was the main reason for the CB, ya'll just used other outdated material to make the CB. cuz ya'll thought Polaris was a clear and present danger. this is exactly the same Bob and you sir, are a hypocrite in this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) you do realize that everyone on your side has done the same. NPO, TOP, Valhalla, TPF, and the others against GATO, Polaris, NoV, and others. and you are allowing them to baw because it is happening to one of their own now. amazing the hypocrisy you are failing to show being done by your side. I don't have a side and most of my better friends are actually on the aggressive side of this conflict, so I think there is a bit more to the argument than that. Edited December 28, 2009 by KingSrqt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Look on the bright side people like you have been saying since the Karma war that you lot did it so don't question us when we act like dicks instead of having to answer for your crimes. Nothing says guilty like ignoring the facts and saying you did it so can we. what are you even attempting to say here? cuz your first sentence is hard to read. and i am not ignoring any facts. present me with facts and you may have an argument. your facts are not facts to me, just like my facts are not facts to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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