Pingu Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Indeed, our IAA friends have been nothing but respectful and complimentary here. We are most appreciative. As for anything that has gone wrong in this discussion - I blame Unsure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I don't need the Gospel of the Mushroom Kingdom to form my opinions for me, thanks. Your choices thus far have been amazing on their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 MK made me do shrooms. I do not remember signing this. I do however take full credit for the eventually decided upon and incredibly original and creative title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyman Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) I would have gone with a BAPS type fight if I were you. The TPF fight was just pathetic because they were offered peace weeks and weeks before they actually accepted. At least you in BAPS were fighting because you had to. I would have to disagree there. Those pixels were well spent. Edit: Congratulations! Edited November 21, 2009 by Heyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halicore Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Hmm an interesting treaty indeed. Really respect MK but have seen little to change my opinion on ODN despite all the talk of them having 'changed'. I guess we'll have to wait and see how much of an ally ODN prove to be in the long term. Good luck to both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrovich4 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes but I remember Hoo saying that the declarations of Poseidon were wars that were meant to sideline Rok and had tactical weight to it.Echelon, on the other hand, really pressed for peace. Rok did as well but I don't know to what extent. Only Poseidon and Vanguard really know. Point being, ODN supported Legion in this conflict over Vanguard. If Vanguard hadn't gotten peace the night they did we had Echelon preparing to roll Poseidon the next night. I also believe RoK was going to join them as well. Echelon and RoK were and hopefully still are Vanguard's close friends. Congrats MK AND ODN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoshiRevoultion Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) \O/ US I shall also now proceed to eat potato and nom on it's inside goodness in celebration of this sexy treaty. Edited November 21, 2009 by YoshiRevoultion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I look forward to the next major war if only so I can watch ODN shut all the haters and the doubters up. It'll be a sweet, sweet thing to watch. This is something I just cannot agree with. Even if ODN lives up to the letter of each of its treaties, it is just one war in the history of an alliance as old as the game itself. ODN's record goes beyond the last war and will be judged beyond the next one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes but I remember Hoo saying that the declarations of Poseidon were wars that were meant to sideline Rok and had tactical weight to it.Echelon, on the other hand, really pressed for peace. Rok did as well but I don't know to what extent. Only Poseidon and Vanguard really know. Point being, ODN supported Legion in this conflict over Vanguard. If Vanguard hadn't gotten peace the night they did we had Echelon preparing to roll Poseidon the next night. I also believe RoK was going to join them as well.Echelon and RoK were and hopefully still are Vanguard's close friends. Congrats MK AND ODN! Fact: Ragnarok was fully prepared to fight on both sides during the WoTC in defense of our allies Vanguard. Legion got off lucky on that one. I have no idea where ODN stood in all of that. I am amused at the amount of ODN hate in the thread. I am also impressed at ODN's ability to counter and deflect it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Hatred of the ODN is overblown in its significance. Nobody hates the ODN enough to make it a primary goal of the alliance to destroy it. The only alliance whose goal at some point has been to destroy the ODN was the NPO and it was a long time ago. I do not imply the ODN is politically irrelevant, it is just that it's not disliked strongly by major power groups to risk an adventure. The NpO's threat has diminished as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiabelly Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Copngratualtions to two alliances that were my home for two large chuncks of my time here on Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 This is something I just cannot agree with. Even if ODN lives up to the letter of each of its treaties, it is just one war in the history of an alliance as old as the game itself. ODN's record goes beyond the last war and will be judged beyond the next one as well. Indeed we are well aware it will take more than just one war, and that we can never drop the ball ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Congratulations and such. I'm sure everyone is happy and that this will turn out just roses and perfectly. At least you're firmly planted in one direction, I suppose. Also, MCRABT, while this topic is NOT about IRON / ODN relations, I can say with fairly good confidence that IRON had no intention of upgrading to an MADP. You treated us as if we had to reach certain 'goals' before you would consider signing with us, and even when we pursued those 'goals', you still didn't want the upgrade. If you were actually 'working to upgrade' at the time that the treaty was suspended, it was purely so that you could better leverage the 'numbers game' and 'win us to your side.' It has nothing to do with the relationship at the time. Trying to play it off as anything else is laughable at best. We can talk about this all day, but at the end of the day, what's done is done and I'm glad that you are happy that we've finally found some consistency in our Foreign Affairs. Those "goals," at least when I was there, essentially amounted to "demonstrate that you can actually be an equal partner in this relationship." However that was perceived, it was certainly never with malicious or deceptive intent. But oh well. Past is past, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I made you one. I hope you like it. This is Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scythegfx Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes but I remember Hoo saying that the declarations of Poseidon were wars that were meant to sideline Rok and had tactical weight to it.Echelon, on the other hand, really pressed for peace. Rok did as well but I don't know to what extent. Only Poseidon and Vanguard really know. Point being, ODN supported Legion in this conflict over Vanguard. This is correct, The poseidon declarations, Namely Invicta and i believe UPN 's were meant to sideline RoK, due to the CDT ties. Of course RoK pressed for peace, they had allies on both sides. though this conflict did eventually lead to RoK leaving CDT in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Hating on ODN is so last year, i thought we all hated NSO these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Copngratualtions to two alliances that were my home for two large chuncks of my time here on Bob A wild Machiabelly! Wonderful to see you, old friend. This is Thanks Can't stop the signal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Hating on ODN is so last year, i thought we all hated NSO these days? Would the world not be a nicer place, if we all stopped the hate and started the love? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 This is something I just cannot agree with. Even if ODN lives up to the letter of each of its treaties, it is just one war in the history of an alliance as old as the game itself. ODN's record goes beyond the last war and will be judged beyond the next one as well. Oh I'm aware of this. Part of my post was a commentary on the character of those haters. It also took into account the notoriously short memories most national leaders possess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Would the world not be a nicer place, if we all stopped the hate and started the love? Yeah it would be nice...but hell will freeze over before all of the hate from all corners of planet bob ever stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Yeah it would be nice...but hell will freeze over before all of the hate from all corners of planet bob ever stops. Why in the province of Michigan, in the city of Hell, it does every winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) Fact: Ragnarok was fully prepared to fight on both sides during the WoTC in defense of our allies Vanguard. Legion got off lucky on that one. I have no idea where ODN stood in all of that. I am amused at the amount of ODN hate in the thread. I am also impressed at ODN's ability to counter and deflect it though. And NV peaced you guys out in anticipation you of entering on our behalf. NV Edited November 22, 2009 by Rafael Nadal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijaya Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) Never mind. Edited November 22, 2009 by Valdemar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booter Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Congrats to old friends in ODN and MK!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Why in the province of Michigan, in the city of Hell, it does every winter. I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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