King Srqt Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I seem to remember OBM saying he wouldn't pay a dime to PC, directly or not. I stayed with that.The other problem with your idea, as it's been stated, is why would a third party use its slots to save TPF's pride? I offered to do it, OBM told me TPF would accept it, PC said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I offered to do it, OBM told me TPF would accept it, PC said no. News to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 I offered to do it, OBM told me TPF would accept it, PC said no. Maybe they don't like the idea of waiting 2 years for someone with 5 slots to re-route 20k tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Maybe they don't like the idea of waiting 2 years for someone with 5 slots to re-route 20k tech. maybe, they didn't actually give the reason (to be fair it would take 10 months if I converted it to cash and did tech deals), but if that is the case they wouldn't have an issue if an alliance stepped up to do it would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Time will solve this one. PC will raid and nuke the wrong protectorate in a month and they will be no longer part of the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 maybe, they didn't actually give the reason (to be fair it would take 10 months if I converted it to cash and did tech deals), but if that is the case they wouldn't have an issue if an alliance stepped up to do it would they? Taking ten months would still keep them from sending out the required monthly amount. The terms will take no more than five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Maybe they don't like the idea of waiting 2 years for someone with 5 slots to re-route 20k tech. Mr. Srqt isn't the only one making offers to help with reps. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeryon Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Maybe we think some of the alliances who attacked us are underhanded scum who aren't worth making peace with. Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delendum Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Maybe we think some of the alliances who attacked us are underhanded scum who aren't worth making peace with.Maybe. Then by all means, continue fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatFALGuy Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Mr. Srqt isn't the only one making offers to help with reps.-Bama Just as Mr. Srqt is not alone, neither are you, though I think that paying any reps to PC is ultimately {insert expletive here}. Edited July 27, 2009 by Chimay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Blair Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Brilliant, the master plan is working. We're extorting tech from alliances we weren't even fighting to begin with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatFALGuy Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Brilliant, the master plan is working.We're extorting tech from alliances we weren't even fighting to begin with! That can also be read as relatively uninvolved alliances agree how much !@#$%^&* it is. Personally I just agree with TPF's stance on this. Alliance or not, I would offer my coffers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 -If you dont believe that TPF wanted PC, tell me that 1 week before the Karma war started, everyone in CN knows that PC was about to get hit by duckroll at update. We out maneuvered our way out of a war. if TPF needs help remembering what occasion it was, it was TFO-IRAN drama. It was actually drama created by your protectorate and the aggressive action was also due to their hiding/misleading info. It was resolved in a timely matter so it became a moot point that you would like to create an argument out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Why not?The arguments are simple: 1. TPF is evil 2. Attacking alliances need to rebuild 3. MK wants tech back 3 just goes back into 1. The answer to that is more fighting, unless the "defending" alliance is offering sufficient "sweeteners" to make war the not-best-option. Which definitely cuts against the whole "we want peace!" thing. 2 is simply extortion. Reparations are stupid. If you can't shake hands and say "alright, our beef is over" at the end of the day, then you should still be fighting. Everyone please take note. This is the exact definition of the strawman fallacy. This poster has shortly paraphrased what he believes to be his opposition's arguments. Of course these are easy to disregard and defeat because they're inaccurate and plain out wrong. Do not do this and make sure you call out such a flawed debate tactic when you see it. Thank you, as you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Everyone please take note. This is the exact definition of the strawman fallacy. This poster has shortly paraphrased what he believes to be his opposition's arguments. Of course these are easy to disregard and defeat because they're inaccurate and plain out wrong. Do not do this and make sure you call out such a flawed debate tactic when you see it. Thank you, as you were. Yeah, because calling out purported straw men and red herrings instead of debating the subject matter isn't a flawed debate tactic. Thanks Cap'n for saving the day once again. Edited July 28, 2009 by Turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yeah, because calling out purported straw men and red herrings instead of debating the subject matter isn't a flawed debate tactic. It's been debated for forty pages here and in another thread. What needs saying via debate has been said and trying to blast down the arguments via listing them with one's own bia is both flawed and useless. I was pointing it out very plainly to hopefully avoid it happening in future. Thanks Cap'n for saving the day once again. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 It's been debated for forty pages here and in another thread. What needs saying via debate has been said and trying to blast down the arguments via listing them with one's own bia is both flawed and useless. I was pointing it out very plainly to hopefully avoid it happening in future. Welcome to Cybernations, enjoy your stay. You're welcome. It's nice to see that despite your acrimony, you've managed to retain some civility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Obviously you don't desire peace that much. No kidding, Bilrow. Christ. Edit: MHawk, roll the hard six already! Edited July 28, 2009 by Zombie Glaucon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iosif Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Edit: MHawk, roll the hard six already! /me slaps Zombie Glaucon around a bit with Dan Quayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatDirtFartDust Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Then by all means, continue fighting. Can we PLEASE quit saying that TPF is fighting? THEYRE NOT. it irks the crap out of me when they claim, or we claim they're "fighting" All they're doing is hiding in a closet like Tom Cruise, and refusing to come out. It's annoying at most. Let em stay in the closet for all I care. Edited July 31, 2009 by EatDirtFartDust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatDirtFartDust Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) WARNING!!!! OUT OF CHARACTER POST COMING UP!!!! [ooc] hay guise, look at this! [/ooc] THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER!!!!! Edited July 31, 2009 by EatDirtFartDust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraia Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Cute. Enjoy your 2 day break from the forum for hitting 80%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shwypn Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) demanding peace, is not giving it. The ball is and has always rested with Karma, stop the war and you'll have peace, dont' and you won't o/ TPF Edited July 31, 2009 by edpetner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 WARNING!!!! OUT OF CHARACTER POST COMING UP!!!!<snip> THIS IS OUT OF CHARACTER!!!!! You should have known Tom Cruise is not in CN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 demanding peace, is not giving it. The ball is and has always rested with Karma, stop the war and you'll have peace, dont' and you won'to/ TPF Ahh yes the ever popular "you are evil for not coming up with surrender terms that make the losing party happy" Such a wonderful party line. Never saw in enacted much when you were the once dishing out terms but who knows, perhaps losing a war caused an Epiphany, We all eagerly await the next time you win a war so we may see if this represents change, or just cheap political double talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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