Wad of Lint Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I also think it's worth noting the inflation of treaties has in turn deflated the value of treaties, cancelled at will and starting out at the MDP level. I remember a time when NAPs were signed and taken seriously.Time will tell, I think trends are already headed in the direction of limited treaties. It will take a long time before the effects will be felt. As do I. Those times can come back. Do not resign yourself to useless pacts and mindless treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 So the answer for more wars are less treaties? So more treaties = less wars = more peace So if peace = lie and treaties = peace then treaties = lies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I wish you guys at NSO the best. With the route you guys are choosing, I really think(and hope) that your alliance will remain conflict free. Thank you for the well wishes, but we have no intentions of remaining conflict free. The Cyberverse, when viewed as an inclusive and whole entity, survives on conflict. Conflict produces competitiveness. It accelerates innovation. It lends seed to growth and diversity. Without conflict the Cyberverse stagnates and becomes a morass, a pit of bleak despair and dissatisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heggo Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Funny, how sometimes it takes the dark side to stand for honor and the broader good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jipps Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 So the answer for more wars are less treaties?So more treaties = less wars = more peace So if peace = lie and treaties = peace then treaties = lies? An alliance with a lot of treaties usually has some false relationships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertFitzy Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) blocs have probably somewhat devalued the over all necessity of basic military treaties, unless your pretty close to an allaince you have a general MDP or more with (at that point the friendship is worth more then the paper anyway) most look at blocs as the best kind of support during war and peacetime that may even over rank a basic military treaty they may have signed with someone they don't know well. Edited April 7, 2009 by Gabriel Carver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heggo Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 So if peace = lie, and treaties = peace, then treaties = lies? In a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dakota Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 An alliance with a lot of treaties usually has some false relationships. Personally I think it's just a way of enlisting puppets. It's worked well in this game, and major alliances have gained false respect of the people via fear through this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 The strong shall survive! Hail the Dark Lord NEMA! LIVEE, MORF SU REVILLED TUB NOISHAYTPMET OOTNI TON SUH DEEL SUS TSHAIGA SAPSERT TAHT YETH. VIGRAWF EU ZA SESAPSERT RUA SUH VIGRAWF DERB ILAID RUA YED SITH SUH VIG NEVEH NI SI ZA THRE NI NUD EEB LIW EYTH MUCK MODNGIK EYTH MAIN EYTH EEB DWOHLAH NEVAH NI TRA CHIOO. RETHARF RUA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Meanĕ Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I've always viewed peace like a government mandated break for workers myself. It'll be there for those who want it, but eventually you're going to have to get back to work regardless of if you like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) The strong shall survive!Hail the Dark Lord NEMA! LIVEE, MORF SU REVILLED TUB NOISHAYTPMET OOTNI TON SUH DEEL SUS TSHAIGA SAPSERT TAHT YETH. VIGRAWF EU ZA SESAPSERT RUA SUH VIGRAWF DERB ILAID RUA YED SITH SUH VIG NEVEH NI SI ZA THRE NI NUD EEB LIW EYTH MUCK MODNGIK EYTH MAIN EYTH EEB DWOHLAH NEVAH NI TRA CHIOO. RETHARF RUA! wait, what? Edited April 7, 2009 by Mogar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I've always viewed peace like a government mandated break for workers myself. It'll be there for those who want it, but eventually you're going to have to get back to work regardless of if you like it or not. This man speaks the truth, the Sith is strong in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) wait, what? It's a secret statement. Very secret. You must now spend the rest of your night deciphering it. Leave this thread and do not return until you have found the answer. Edited April 7, 2009 by Wad of Lint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 As expected from Ivan, a very well written document full of truths. First, I daresay that at least half, perhaps more, of the existing treaties in the Cyberverse are not worth the ink they were pinned with. The Cyberverse, when viewed as an inclusive and whole entity, survives on conflict. Conflict produces competitiveness. It accelerates innovation. It lends seed to growth and diversity. Without conflict the Cyberverse stagnates and becomes a morass, a pit of bleak despair and dissatisfaction. Most of the treated webs are little more than collective deterrents meant to stopgap the concept of open conflict and warfare and make the waging of same obsolete. Some of the points that stuck out most to me. Some of which I've echoed in various conversations with allies over the past months. I've spent the vast majority of my CN career in Foreign Affairs, I've seen so many treaties stamped out in the heat of war. Allies purged, herded or setup to fall. The entire 'Verse could most definetly use a 'reset button' on it's existing treaties. More time needs to be put into them. Friendships, goals and the paths to achieve these goals need to be examined harder. Make sure what you do fits with who you are. Hope to see more from you Ivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConeBone69 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 As expected from Ivan, a very well written document full of truths.Some of the points that stuck out most to me. Some of which I've echoed in various conversations with allies over the past months. I've spent the vast majority of my CN career in Foreign Affairs, I've seen so many treaties stamped out in the heat of war. Allies purged, herded or setup to fall. The entire 'Verse could most definetly use a 'reset button' on it's existing treaties. More time needs to be put into them. Friendships, goals and the paths to achieve these goals need to be examined harder. Make sure what you do fits with who you are. Hope to see more from you Ivan. I like you. Everything you said is pretty much exactly what we are trying to do with NSO, I couldn't agree more. Eventually, in my opinion, the time will come when all those "treaties" will fall to the wayside for alliances when they need them most. And those alliances you reference who just stamp them out to herd them around will get a large dose of reality as everything crumbles around them. It's impossible to have a firm foundation when you're built on paper and not friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 It's a secret statement. Very secret. You must now spend the rest of your night deciphering it. Leave this thread and do not return until you have found the answer. it's the lord's hymn backwards, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heggo Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 DING DING DING DING DING I do believe we have a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Orpheus Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 The strong will survive. The strong cannot survive without the weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreddieMercury Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hmm... CN doesn't have too many options besides war. The simming here is a bit lackluster to say the least. I wonder what CN would be like with more economic options. OWF would be like "The Next big Embargo!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 The strong cannot survive without the weak. This is true, the Sith must eat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heggo Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 The strong cannot survive without the weak. You'd know a little something about that wouldn'tcha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I like you. Everything you said is pretty much exactly what we are trying to do with NSO, I couldn't agree more. Eventually, in my opinion, the time will come when all those "treaties" will fall to the wayside for alliances when they need them most. And those alliances you reference who just stamp them out to herd them around will get a large dose of reality as everything crumbles around them. It's impossible to have a firm foundation when you're built on paper and not friends. Heh .. Thanks It goes both ways tho - treaties are also signed to herd as well. But yes, they'll both see the harshness of truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Orpheus Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 You'd know a little something about that wouldn'tcha? I'm not sure I know what you mean. I just know that the strong as a concept is impossible without its mutual definition in its opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I'm not sure I know what you mean. I think he's referring to your Alliance Affiliation being Grand Global Alliance. Not saying I agree/disagree, just clarifying as per your request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Orpheus Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I think he's referring to your Alliance Affiliation being Grand Global Alliance.Not saying I agree/disagree, just clarifying as per your request. Oh. I have no idea what the status of my alliance is. I just know that they recruited me back in January. Anyone bothered by my Alliance Affiliation should have had a better recruiting program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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