Recognition of Hostilities

[Wobblies]

2 minutes ago, Franz Ferdinand said:

I don't believe I'm a wolf last time I checked.

I know, I know, you have always been a man of good taste.

[Johnny Apocalypse]

45 minutes ago, paul711 said:

Picture is worth a thousand words, let the spin begin. 

Okey doke: The precedent wherein treaties don't need to be publicly disclosed in order to be considered valid long predates this conflict. We did it in Cobra with Cobralition and the so-called "assets of Doom" or Doomsphere alliances do the same today- as they did when UCR last fought Doom Wolves/Doom Squad and most recently when they all swarmed GPA.

 

Your serve.

[Franz Ferdinand]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Okey doke: The precedent wherein treaties don't need to be publicly disclosed in order to be considered valid long predates this conflict. We did it in Cobra with Cobralition and the so-called "assets of Doom" or Doomsphere alliances do the same today- as they did when UCR last fought Doom Wolves/Doom Squad and most recently when they all swarmed GPA.

 

Your serve.

So... how goes COBRA these days?

[Johnny Apocalypse]

4 minutes ago, Franz Ferdinand said:

So... how goes COBRA these days?

 

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh COBRA R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

 

 

[Sabcat]

2 hours ago, Lyanna Mormont said:

 

No, not even remotely. Kashmir and GATO have an opening. They can take it or they can do nothing. Why choose nothing when someone finally gave someone an opening?!

I hope we do join, I don't much care what the war is about or who any of the people involved are but it breaks up the days a bit and the casualty count goes up which is ultimately the only thing that matters. 

[King Aeneas]

11 hours ago, mrmarx said:

You invaded his land and looted his resources. Let's be clear here. Kanaria had absolutely no choice in this matter whatsoever.

I wouldn't think you lot would be against alittle redistribution of resources.

Jokes aside let's be clear on the facts, you were allegedly shadow protecting this guy.....that is fine whatever. When I did my raid I was very clear and respectful, it was 2 attacks and 2 missiles then I sent peace and a message seeing if he wanted a good old fashioned fight or to cut it there. He said nothing and just attacked me back so I figured he was down to party. I did not coordinate with any allies because the point was not to beat him down just shake things up and have some fun. You never messaged me, not a single word, we could have talked over the misunderstanding like men and maybe talked compensation but instead you used it as a thinly veiled excuse to declare a war. It is clear you were never interested in diplomacy, this was a undeclared single man alliance with no mention of a protectorate anywhere. And yet it is apparently an "assault on all of UCR", I don't think planet Bob is as dumb as you seem to think it is marx. 

1 hour ago, Franz Ferdinand said:

Looks like the Union of Communist Republics bio was updated AFTER the war was declared by King Aeneas of Doom Wolves on United Socialist Nations. Naughty!

The facts are clear as day here, as I mentioned above this was a simple good natured raid, I recognize and appreciate the fact that many alliances and rulers disagree with raiding as a practice. But it doesn't change the fact that I was extremely clear and respectful in my communication. The goal was never to beat this guy down. Simple communication could have avoided this but it is clear marx was looking for a fight and by god he found it. 

10 hours ago, Wobblies said:

Every noob is told on day one that you raid at your own risk. Instead of cutting losses the Wolves went double down and launched offensive war on UCR.

I hate to sound like a broken record BUT,I firmly understand "raid at your own risk" if UCR wants to shadow protect anyone with a hammer and sickle in their bio be my guest. But in no way can what happened be construed as a offensive war on UCR, you've been inhaling to many of marx's grab bag terms its making you loopy. The UCR wanted a fight plain and simple. 

[firingline]

1 hour ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

 as they did when UCR last fought Doom Wolves/Doom Squad and most recently when they all swarmed GPA.

 

Your serve.

 

We have public ties with all those alliances.

 

Your serve.

[Johnny Apocalypse]

21 minutes ago, King Aeneas said:

I wouldn't think you lot would be against alittle redistribution of resources.

Jokes aside let's be clear on the facts, you were allegedly shadow protecting this guy.....that is fine whatever. When I did my raid I was very clear and respectful, it was 2 attacks and 2 missiles then I sent peace and a message seeing if he wanted a good old fashioned fight or to cut it there. He said nothing and just attacked me back so I figured he was down to party. I did not coordinate with any allies because the point was not to beat him down just shake things up and have some fun. You never messaged me, not a single word, we could have talked over the misunderstanding like men and maybe talked compensation but instead you used it as a thinly veiled excuse to declare a war. It is clear you were never interested in diplomacy, this was a undeclared single man alliance with no mention of a protectorate anywhere. And yet it is apparently an "assault on all of UCR", I don't think planet Bob is as dumb as you seem to think it is marx. 

The facts are clear as day here, as I mentioned above this was a simple good natured raid, I recognize and appreciate the fact that many alliances and rulers disagree with raiding as a practice. But it doesn't change the fact that I was extremely clear and respectful in my communication. The goal was never to beat this guy down. Simple communication could have avoided this but it is clear marx was looking for a fight and by god he found it. 

I hate to sound like a broken record BUT,I firmly understand "raid at your own risk" if UCR wants to shadow protect anyone with a hammer and sickle in their bio be my guest. But in no way can what happened be construed as a offensive war on UCR, you've been inhaling to many of marx's grab bag terms its making you loopy. The UCR wanted a fight plain and simple. 

In fairness to this guy; he thanked me for aiding his opponent so they were better positioned to give him a good fight back. He's been a good sport about it.

 

However the UCR have always considered attacks on other socialist/communist micro alliances as an attack against all alliances with socialist/communist ideologies at their core (because historically speaking when you raid one communist? You're usually raiding another too- speaking from prior experience that is 😛) It is their way of showing solidarity with other like-minded leaders, which is very much in keeping with actual socialist practice. 

 

I have it on good authority from someone other than UCR that they do indeed have a protectorate treaty with USN. Why they didn't announce it publicly isn't something that concerns me, I've had paperless allies in the past so I'm not one who can be impartial on this matter.

 

And you may be right, UCR may have indeed wanted a fight and after seeing your alliance-mate attack a fellow Brown team nation like myself, followed by you assaulting their Brown Team protectorate?They are fairly decent grounds to start a fight with someone, as it goes. Not to mention; you being a raider should be able relate to wanting to start a fight, the difference being of course that you and other's in your alliance are the folk who started fights with their friends on Brown team.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Johnny Apocalypse

[Johnny Apocalypse]

9 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

We have public ties with all those alliances.

 

Your serve.

And now UCR's tie with USN is public, so you've been briefed.

 

Back at ya.

[firingline]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

And now UCR's tie with USN is public, so you've been briefed.

 

Back at ya.

 

Know what else is going to be public?

 

UCR's surrender terms (or disbandment, I guess.)

[Johnny Apocalypse]

3 minutes ago, firingline said:

 

Know what else is going to be public?

 

UCR's surrender terms (or disbandment, I guess.)

Yes if surrender or disbandment happens it will be public. Just as all peace agreements are.

[King Aeneas]

24 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

In fairness to this guy; he thanked me for aiding his opponent so they were better positioned to give him a good fight back. He's been a good sport about it.

 

However the UCR have always considered attacks on other socialist/communist micro alliances as an attack against all alliances with socialist/communist ideologies at their core (because historically speaking when you raid one communist? You're usually raiding another too- speaking from prior experience that is 😛) It is their way of showing solidarity with other like-minded leaders, which is very much in keeping with actual socialist practice. 

 

I have it on good authority from someone other than UCR that they do indeed have a protectorate treaty with USN. Why they didn't announce it publicly isn't something that concerns me, I've had paperless allies in the past so I'm not one who can be impartial on this matter.

 

And you may be right, UCR may have indeed wanted a fight and after seeing your alliance-mate attack a fellow Brown team nation like myself, followed by you assaulting their Brown Team protectorate?They are fairly decent grounds to start a fight with someone, as it goes. Not to mention; you being a raider should be able relate to wanting to start a fight, the difference being of course that you and other's in your alliance are the folk who started fights with their friends on Brown team.

Salient and well made points Johnny, I'll start with the last point, I'm definitely not crying about the fight as you say if you don't want to fight don't be a raider, my issue is with the grand proclamations of being assaulted and claiming a defensive war. I was very sporting about the whole thing and a simple message would have sufficed, I'm not even mad about the whole paperless thing, its just clear that marx was jonesing for a fight, no other way something so minor blows up like this. But the tedious hows and whys matter very little now anyway I suppose 😋.    

[Johnny Apocalypse]

4 minutes ago, King Aeneas said:

Salient and well made points Johnny, I'll start with the last point, I'm definitely not crying about the fight as you say if you don't want to fight don't be a raider, my issue is with the grand proclamations of being assaulted and claiming a defensive war. I was very sporting about the whole thing and a simple message would have sufficed, I'm not even mad about the whole paperless thing, its just clear that marx was jonesing for a fight, no other way something so minor blows up like this. But the tedious hows and whys matter very little now anyway I suppose 😋.    

It is defensive in the sense that they are defending their protectorate, I would agree it's not necessarily in direct defense of UCR themselves. But that is the spirit of a protectorate treaty, if you attack them you are effectively attacking their protector, but that is why protectorate treaties do need announcing publicly. Mutual Defense treaties are at the discretion of each of the alliances involved because they carry the equal burden of Mutual Defense given to each other. Protectorates are not obligated to defend their protector and that protection is only a viable deterrent if it is public knowledge.
 

To the bolded part; Have you looked around this planet lately? Not a lot going on for a long time now, if you fancy a punch up you gotta take any chance you can get 😄

[Thrash]

6 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

It's better to have a few people who actually goto bat for you than loads of people with a never-ending list of obligations to justify why they can't help.

 

Truer words have never been spoken.

[firingline]

I think it’s time to demilitarize UCR.

 

 

[Thrash]

9 minutes ago, firingline said:

I think it’s time to demilitarize UCR.

 

 

This right here makes me want to defend commies. Oh, the horror! You're literally worse than commies, congrats.

[paul711]

3 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Okey doke: The precedent wherein treaties don't need to be publicly disclosed in order to be considered valid long predates this conflict. We did it in Cobra with Cobralition and the so-called "assets of Doom" or Doomsphere alliances do the same today- as they did when UCR last fought Doom Wolves/Doom Squad and most recently when they all swarmed GPA.

 

Your serve.

Wheels are spinning fast. In the end it's CN you can do what you will.

Edited April 25, 2022 by paul711

[Johnny Apocalypse]

18 minutes ago, Thrash said:

This right here makes me want to defend commies. Oh, the horror! You're literally worse than commies, congrats.

Jeez....yeah talk about tasteless.

 

Just now, paul711 said:

Wheels are spinning fast

 

Thanks, I'm quite good I know. However, everything I've said is objectively true and I do agree with the statement by LWW that protectorates do need to be public knowledge as that is ultimately how they function as a protective deterrent to keep away any potential attackers.

[paul711]

1 minute ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Jeez....yeah talk about tasteless.

 

 

Thanks, I'm quite good I know. However, everything I've said is objectively true and I do agree with the statement by LWW that protectorates do need to be public knowledge as that is ultimately how they function as a protective deterrent to keep away any potential attackers.

That's why the UCR bio had to be changed to reflect the treaty obligation. That's why I made remark about the post screen being worth 1000 words.

Edited April 25, 2022 by paul711
Mistake

[kerschbs]

33 minutes ago, Thrash said:

This right here makes me want to defend commies. Oh, the horror! You're literally worse than commies, congrats.

hell hath frozen over lol

 

[Thrash]

1 minute ago, kerschbs said:

hell hath frozen over lol

 

hey man, I don't know what to do with myself anymore.

[AL Bundy]

3 hours ago, Franz Ferdinand said:

I don't believe I'm a wolf last time I checked.

Hmmmrrr... invite sent hahaha 😆 

[Johnny Apocalypse]

12 minutes ago, paul711 said:

That's why the UCR bio had to be changed to reflect the treaty obligation. That's why I made remark about the post screen being worth 1000 words.

My apologies, I thought your remark was insinuating that they were lying about the protectorate agreement. Pictures may be worth a thousand words but a caption with a few more words always helps 😉

[firingline]

1 hour ago, Thrash said:

This right here makes me want to defend commies. Oh, the horror! You're literally worse than commies, congrats.

oh no. Not legion! Whatever will I do!

 

Not sure what’s so bad about beating UCR down for continually going out of their way to attack our allies. Actions have consequences. I UCR has shown that they will use whatever capability they have to harass and attack us with no notice and no valid CB. When we gave them peace and made them agree not to do this again, they did it anyways. The only option is to defang them. And we will.

 

 You’re free to do something about it, I suppose.

[Thrash]

4 minutes ago, firingline said:

oh no. Not legion! Whatever will I do!

 

I don't speak for Legion, I speak for myself.