Ernesto Che Guevara Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Altheus' timestamp='1344765972' post='3021184'] A better question would be why would you want him in such a high position in your alliance. Maybe he has changed, but that's taking a very big chance on someone that screwed up so fundamentally (from a position of strength no less) as to get Illuminati wiped out. Btw, a chance to correct the history books if Terry Howard and other interested parties are listening. UPN took part in the Illuminati war not because Lolluminati betrayed NPO, but because they'd upset Invicta. Terry might have even had an advocate if he hadn't been so unreasonable to Dawny... [/quote] Terry Howard is clearly pure evil when he has BFF and UPN on the same page. Don't make us get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Multiple years ago, don't let this lots ancient grudges stop you, Emperor666. I for one would love to see Terry Howard back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litha Riddle Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='The Pansy' timestamp='1344841599' post='3021546'] Multiple years ago, don't let this lots ancient grudges stop you, Emperor666. I for one would love to see Terry Howard back. [/quote] Agree with the puppet master. It would be good to have more diverse leaders around. Terry will at least do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphysics Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Honestly Emperor666, do what you want. If an alliance comes along and has a beef about it, resolve it then with diplomacy or war. Letting others dictate such things shouldn't be going on. You'll find out soon enough if someone is still butt-hurt about something 4 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='King Xander the Only' timestamp='1344739174' post='3021030'] Yes, of course. [/quote] I like this man's style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 Bring back Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauchen Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hey, if you want to join up with a guy who spent upwards of 2 years after the end of the Illuminati War sitting on that AA and threatening all of the more successful alliances formed by former Illuminati members, go right on ahead. If the Trilateral Commission were still around, I daresay you'd be rolled into the ground, but that, like the Illuminati, is ancient history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anu Drake Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 As co principal architect of Lolluminati/Operation Edict, you can be assured that there are no grudges held and Terry Howard is more than welcome to join and ruin your alliance without interference from any of the geezers involved in that original adventure. I'm not saying it would be a great choice from your perspective, but he has been rerolled for a long time and if anybody had wanted to make a real issue out of his existence it would have already happened. But then again, I'm retired. Just know the facts (in addition to Magister Agricolarum's helpful link above) - https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AbET2jhU-yQTZGhnNHdnNDdfMGNiNWRiY2Rw /good times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Anu Drake' timestamp='1345038242' post='3022138'] As co principal architect of Lolluminati/Operation Edict, you can be assured that there are no grudges held and Terry Howard is more than welcome to join and ruin your alliance without interference from any of the geezers involved in that original adventure. I'm not saying it would be a great choice from your perspective, but he has been rerolled for a long time and if anybody had wanted to make a real issue out of his existence it would have already happened. But then again, I'm retired. Just know the facts (in addition to Magister Agricolarum's helpful link above) - https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AbET2jhU-yQTZGhnNHdnNDdfMGNiNWRiY2Rw /good times [/quote] Its kind of hilarious given that within a year and a half, everyone else was attacking NPO. They just had more loyal members than Illuminati who wouldn't leak screenshots. His weakness was trusting too much and not waiting long enough from what I can tell (besides the handling of the Dawny situation, which wouldn't have led to war without the screenshot leaks). That being said, he isn't a competent leader. Edited August 15, 2012 by Penlugue Solaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anu Drake Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1345059751' post='3022201'] Its kind of hilarious given that within a year and a half, everyone else was attacking NPO. They just had more loyal members than Illuminati who wouldn't leak screenshots. His weakness was trusting too much and not waiting long enough from what I can tell (besides the handling of the Dawny situation, which wouldn't have led to war without the screenshot leaks). That being said, he isn't a competent leader. [/quote] Pretty sure we got those screenies from a source outside of Illuminati that had a piat or greater with GOD. RoK had dual CDT and Super Friends membership so we went in together. Best part was that NPO and continuun diddn't have anything to do with it. A rare air tight CB swift victory and no after action. CDT. What is dead can never die. /except cdt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 [quote name='emperor666' timestamp='1344731831' post='3020968'] I lead the alliance THE ILLUMINATI and I have been talking to terry howard, about him joining as a co-leader. Will you guys attack me if that happens?[/quote] The honor would fall to Ragnarok. Personally I'd rather start everyone with a completely clean slate and find new reasons to roll Illuminati if it comes to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 [quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1345059751' post='3022201'] Its kind of hilarious given that within a year and a half, everyone else was attacking NPO. They just had more loyal members than Illuminati who wouldn't leak screenshots. His weakness was trusting too much and not waiting long enough from what I can tell (besides the handling of the Dawny situation, which wouldn't have led to war without the screenshot leaks). That being said, he isn't a competent leader. [/quote] The Dawny/Moo/KoS situation would have led to war without the screenshots. It would have taken longer, but we were working actively towards war at the time; as soon as NPO dropped Illuminati we were going in, and it would have been the same CDT-Superfriends coalition blowing them up. Remember, Illuminati was threatening nations hitting a rogue at war with NPO's Emperor. This is not a good idea when NPO is the only reason you're still alive. Terry Howard is the single worst alliance leader I have ever met. Invicta's no longer at war with the Illuminati, we didn't re-engage them for violating surrender terms; I believe only Ragnarok did that. So check with Ragnarok to make sure they're OK, but I can't imagine they would still care about it. But don't put Terry in a position of leadership. He's really, really bad. That's not a threat, it's just ... good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altheus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1345215370' post='3022805'] The Dawny/Moo/KoS situation would have led to war without the screenshots. It would have taken longer, but we were working actively towards war at the time; as soon as NPO dropped Illuminati we were going in, and it would have been the same CDT-Superfriends coalition blowing them up.[/quote] Yep. War was very much on the agenda before the screenshots. It was more that the screenshots just tied things up nicely, from the Invicta/UPN perspective at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altheus Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Anu Drake' timestamp='1345038242' post='3022138'] /good times [/quote] Ah, so true. I never had as much fun on Planet Bob as those early days of CDT, although the bloc did have some pretty wild adventures throughout its existence. Terry Howard and other alliance, bloc or ideology leaders opposed to us were as much part of that fun as any of CDT's actual members; so I guess we should thank them... and he was fun. Somehow it'd be nice to recreate that old world of byzantine manoeuvrings and squabbles, but Planet Bob's moved on. Not for the worse necessarily, but it's just more direct and in your face, ever since the Karma War. I guess the real winner was actually the Vox Populi ideology after all, because despite my reservations they did actually (to a certain extent) change the nature of inter-alliance relations. Trouble is I'm not sure I like it. Everything is so very unsubtle now, agenda more obvious. Against that, it's all very well for myself and others to criticise, but maybe this new world is easier to get into and less confusing. Don't really know. Anyway. Anu, here is to the good times! Edited August 17, 2012 by Altheus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anu Drake Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 [quote name='Altheus' timestamp='1345225118' post='3022838'] Ah, so true. I never had as much fun on Planet Bob as those early days of CDT, although the bloc did have some pretty wild adventures throughout its existence. Terry Howard and other alliance, bloc or ideology leaders opposed to us were as much part of that fun as any of CDT's actual members; so I guess we should thank them... and he was fun. [/quote] Agreed. A forgotten age, but it was fun. You're right about how things are now too, but I think that's just a reflection of the way those that attain power prefer to play the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtamdraugr Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Hoo ruled that if he ever rejoined this world as "Terry Howard", he was to be destroyed on sight. We discussed the issue of Terry Howard and had decided to let him exist. This government has no overt issues with him but believes it is a very poor idea to offer him any sort of governing position in any alliance. To that end, good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krack Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) Just remember that he was such an annoyance the first time that everyone in his alliance basically begged the opposing side to remove him from Bob so they could go on and try and rebuild their alliance. In fact, I don't think that war ever officially ended - we just quit attacking them because we felt bad for them. Edited August 29, 2012 by Krack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I assume by "we" Krack means "Ragnarok." A joint CDT and Superfriends task force declared war on the Illuminati back in 2008, which quickly fell apart. They lost most of their nations to individual surrenders, with the notable exception of the Rat Pack, which is a whole other story that I'm not going to tell here. The few nations that didn't surrender individually did eventually agree to surrender terms as an alliance. Said surrender terms appointed Van Hoo, then the leader of Ragnarok, as viceroy of Illuminati. Some of us thought this was a terrible idea, but Hoo pressed on. A few weeks later Ragnarok redeclared on the remnants of Illuminati, which finally came completely apart. Most of the remaining nations deleted, possibly all of them. There weren't many left at this point. No peace was ever declared primarily because Illuminati lacked an effective government of any kind, which is pretty much the reason why the war started in the first place. However current RoK gov has (sensibly) stated earlier in this thread that they aren't chasing the Illuminati anymore, so it can be considered all over now even without a declaration in Alliance Announcements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kongo Jack IV Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) UCN rep Edited August 29, 2012 by Kongo Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Anu, Alt, Haf, and mention of Terry Howard in the same thread. My nostalgia has lasted longer than four hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krack Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1346278581' post='3026461'] I assume by "we" Krack means "Ragnarok." [/quote] I meant SuperFriends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Black Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think GGA should give it another go.... Good luck mate, no they won't attack you for that, but id wager to say they can come up with a million and one other reasons to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='emperor666' timestamp='1344792465' post='3021308'] Well he is actually talking about starting an alliance if I dont accept him so... [/quote] Good, declare war on him and wipe his alliance out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Wilbers Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 This might have been clarified, but this situation has passed over and is not an issue anymore. Terry Howard is in the shadows and will NOT come back to TI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedian Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='Emperor Wilbers' timestamp='1347667331' post='3030294'] This might have been clarified, but this situation has passed over and is not an issue anymore. Terry Howard is in the shadows and will NOT come back to TI. [/quote] Nice to know Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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