Kaiser Martens Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Somewhere in Ireland, a priest stood on the tower of his church. When all of a sudden he yelled out, spotting a wild army over the horizon with their banners and their dust-kicking machinery, "VIKING RAAAAAAAAID! VIKING RAID!" - And began to ring the massive bell. People in general seemed to panic, while the remanents of the defence forces and some of the bravest individuals gathered to defend. An hour later, several huge columns of smoke were rising from this town, the defenders defeated and the riches stolen. The Vikings seemed to be converging upon the seemingly-defenseless Ireland, as if it were the picking of an apple right after it's dropped from the tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentDavid Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [b]Classified[/b] [b]The United States of The Islands Douglas Air Force Facility[/b] Three more large C-130's loaded up with men with a third loading up two tanks. Nearly one hundred helicopters were going back and forth between New Dublin and Dublin - dropping off men in Dublin. Most of them were Chinook helicopters that were bringing many men, with some also bringing vehicles and supplies. The same was going with Belfast, just at a slower rate since the city was a few more minutes away from New Dublin. Five of the Chinook helicopters brought several industrial search lights to be set up into the night. Nearly 5,000 troops were now in Ireland with many many more on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 The Republic of Japan is curious as to why, exactly, the tiny United States of the Islands are interfering with the decision made by Dalmatia and their efforts to secure peace in Ireland. Regardless of their geographical position, they were well within their rights to declare the territory part of their sovereign land and to attempt to govern the area until a new government can be installed to restore home rule in Ireland. The United States of the Islands is by no means the best qualified nation to attempt to maintain peace in Ireland. The USI currently governs a few small islands in the Irish and North Seas and by no means do they have the logistical capabilities to maintain an occupational force in Ireland large enough to ensure order in a country so much larger than their own. Not only does Dalmatia have an earlier, better claim, but they also have the capability to enforce their claim as well. [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1313804449' post='2784785'] OOC: Yes, the basic geography and positioning indicate that Malatose could certainly not have his troops anywhere near Ireland before the countries nearer to it can react to whatever actions. I believe the recent ruling was that no one can do instant troop movements unless the troops were right nearby. [/quote] OOC: Who gives a damn? He claimed it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [u][b]Private to United States of the Islands[/b][/u] We want to assure you that you have the complete support from the Kingdom. We do not see Dalmatian move to invade Ireland as legitimate but we are not going to comment on it as of now. Try to solve this diplomatically but if it fails, do know that the Kingdom of Cochin is there to support you. Dalmatians are we believe acting with their neck too much extended but it is a neck that can be cut easily. Sd, KP Varma, Minister of External Affairs, Kingdom of Cochin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 The Kingdom of Cochin considers United States of the Islands to have a greater legitimacy of claim to Ireland due to its geographic and cultural proximity than Dalmatia, a Eastern European/Central Asian nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1313813088' post='2784848'] OOC: Who gives a damn? He claimed it first. [/quote] OOC: If I suddenly claim a random protectorate in the middle of nowhere, you would be all over me like flies on poo. Why? Because I have no way to get there and I never rped any troop preparations or mobilizations. Malatose should be held to same standards that you hold me to. If he can send a fleet and an army to Ireland, all while getting permission to cross all the nations in between, or he RPs a big middle finger to the world and barges in anyways, then Ireland is his. However, right now I'm going to say that this is all a big bluff, and PD has just called it. Edited August 20, 2011 by KaiserMelech Mikhail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='KaiserMelech Mikhail' timestamp='1313813635' post='2784853'] OOC: If I suddenly claim a random protectorate in the middle of nowhere, you would be all over me like flies on poo. Why? Because I have no way to get there and I never rped any troop preparations or mobilizations. Malatose should be held to same standards that you hold me to. If he can send a fleet and an army to Ireland, all while getting permission to cross all the nations in between, or he RPs a big middle finger to the world and barges in anyways, then Ireland is his. However, right now I'm going to say that this is all a big bluff, and PD has just called it. [/quote] OOC: No I would not be all over you because I don't care about you enough to be angry with you. Second, he does have a legal way to get there. Third, he RP'd his soldiers landing in Ireland. So basically, none of this should be an OOC problem is all I'm getting at. Deal with it IC, as PD has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) [quote name='MergerbergerII' timestamp='1313813088' post='2784848'] The Republic of Japan is curious as to why, exactly, the tiny United States of the Islands are interfering with the decision made by Dalmatia and their efforts to secure peace in Ireland. Regardless of their geographical position, they were well within their rights to declare the territory part of their sovereign land and to attempt to govern the area until a new government can be installed to restore home rule in Ireland. The United States of the Islands is by no means the best qualified nation to attempt to maintain peace in Ireland. The USI currently governs a few small islands in the Irish and North Seas and by no means do they have the logistical capabilities to maintain an occupational force in Ireland large enough to ensure order in a country so much larger than their own. Not only does Dalmatia have an earlier, better claim, but they also have the capability to enforce their claim as well.[/quote] Here is a hypothetical question: Supposing that Japan is not the [i]de facto[/i] "protectrate" of the UFE, supposing the UFE is also a weak country, and supposing that Japan fell into anarchy for whatever reason, would it make sense for Grand Papua to secure peace of the Japanese Islands because it is "qualified" in terms of military strength? Please consider how Japan's stance seems to follow the footsteps of its protector without considering politics. [quote name='MergerbergerII' timestamp='1313813088' post='2784848'] OOC: Who gives a damn? He claimed it first.[/quote] OOC: Because the ruling is that just claiming is insufficient. You have to have concrete RP backing up any moves against countries in anarchy. I mean, if you are purged, and I claim you before anyone else while having never RPed any troops in the neighboring area, would my first claim trump any RP that Triyun might do? Turning the tables shows just how biased any thoughts of "claim first means foots on the ground first" is. Edited August 20, 2011 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1313813772' post='2784856'] Here is a hypothetical question: Supposing that Japan is not the [i]de facto[/i] "protectrate" of the UFE, supposing the UFE is also a weak country, and supposing that it fell into anarchy for whatever reason, would it make sense for Grand Papua to secure peace of the Japanese Islands because it is "qualified" in terms of military strength? Please consider how Japan's stance seems to follow the footsteps of its protector without considering politics.[/quote] That is not even close to a similar situation. And yes, at this point it would probably make more sense for Grand Papua to attempt to establish order in the territory of the UFE than Japan, because Japan literally has no military, although this is changing soon. Additionally, you would be completely unable to establish order in the UFE because it is so vast. It is not the same thing. [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1313813772' post='2784856'] OOC: Because the ruling is that just claiming is insufficient. You have to have concrete RP backing up any moves against countries in anarchy. I mean, if you are purged, and I claim you before anyone else while having never RPed any troops in the neighboring area, would my first claim trump any RP that Triyun might do? Turning the tables shows just how biased any thoughts of "claim first means foots on the ground first" is. [/quote] OOC: It. Doesn't. Matter. He claimed it first. Deal with it IC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 OOC: Yes, Dalmatia can land troops in Ireland due to movement permitted by Athenian Federation but that does not mean Dalmatia's claim cannot go unchallenged. Especially due to geographical constraints Dalmatia's claim is especially flimsy. Seeing as PD has presented a counter claim the RP is now on. It does not matter that Dalmatia placed a claim first, in CNRP we give a grace period for counter claim and PD has placed counter well within that period. Now the issue is purely within the realm of RP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='king of cochin' timestamp='1313814171' post='2784863'] OOC: Yes, Dalmatia can land troops in Ireland due to movement permitted by Athenian Federation but that does not mean Dalmatia's claim cannot go unchallenged. Especially due to geographical constraints Dalmatia's claim is especially flimsy. Seeing as PD has presented a counter claim the RP is now on. It does not matter that Dalmatia placed a claim first, in CNRP we give a grace period for counter claim and PD has placed counter well within that period. Now the issue is purely within the realm of RP. [/quote] OOC: Aye, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's an IC affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1313814003' post='2784859'] OOC: It. Doesn't. Matter. He claimed it first. Deal with it IC. [/quote] OOC: YES. IT. DOES. CNRP means CN[b]RP[/b]. GMs have constantly stated that actions must be RPed, and magically having troops appear over an island is not RP. Also, saying "deal with it IC" is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You could have all the small nations of the world band together and they would still lose because of the sheer stupidity in which alliances are formed in this game. Regimes that have totally different and often conflicting government types, cultures, religions, and idiologies have still banded together because they are strong, forming an unbreakable reign over this game. Saying "deal with it IC" is like me telling you to stop a train by stepping in front of it. We have an OOC way to fight this, and by god we will use OOC methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) King Geoffrey stated before the international press in an address to other governments. "While we see that Dalmatia has the strength to easily govern and control Ireland. We would encourage them to allow us to protect Ireland. We're closer. We're stable. We've even released another state to liberty of its own recently haven been given the opportunity to do so by political events in Europe. We have a preponderance of care for the Irish people who share a cultural heritage. That said, if you wish to have a government that will have a concern for the people of Ireland protect the isles; we feel we are best suited geographically, culturally, politically in terms of our stability, and in our intent. We would strongly encourage the parties involved to consider these factors. The Angevins, however, will not move to oppress these people by putting troops near their homes or in their cities. Just because a government has fallen, does not mean a people forget their communities." Edited August 20, 2011 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 OOC: Adding to my earlier comment, Dalmatia can NOT RP any more than 30 or 50 troops to be in Ireland at this stage without doing any substantial RP to show how a larger troop contingent was landed. Distance matters especially while placing a land claim. So yes, I am making it a requirement that Malatose RP the troop movement and explain exactly how he landed any number of troops larger than the 30 or 50 I have determined arbitrarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='KaiserMelech Mikhail' timestamp='1313814316' post='2784867'] OOC: YES. IT. DOES. CNRP means CN[b]RP[/b]. GMs have constantly stated that actions must be RPed, and magically having troops appear over an island is not RP. Also, saying "deal with it IC" is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. You could have all the small nations of the world band together and they would still lose because of the sheer stupidity in which alliances are formed in this game. Regimes that have totally different and often conflicting government types, cultures, religions, and idiologies have still banded together because they are strong, forming an unbreakable reign over this game. Saying "deal with it IC" is like me telling you to stop a train by stepping in front of it. We have an OOC way to fight this, and by god we will use OOC methods. [/quote] OOC: Using OOC to fight IC battles. And you wonder why the game is dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian the Mighty Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Suddenly, Russians! Thousands of them! They invaded and killed everyone and the world grew quiet. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1313814575' post='2784868'] King Geoffrey stated before the international press in an address to other governments. "While we see that Dalmatia has the strength to easily govern and control Ireland. We would encourage them to allow us to protect Ireland. We're closer. We're stable. We've even released another state to liberty of its own recently haven been given the opportunity to do so by political events in Europe. We have a preponderance of care for the Irish people who share a cultural heritage. That said, if you wish to have a government that will have a concern for the people of Ireland protect the isles; we feel we are best suited geographically, culturally, politically in terms of our stability, and in our intent. We would strongly encourage the parties involved to consider these factors. The Angevins, however, will not move to oppress these people by putting troops near their homes or in their cities. Just because a government has fallen, does not mean a people forget their communities." [/quote] Could the Angevins explain the supposedly shared cultural heritage that is not based on a dynastical claim which has not been upheld for the past few centuries, and how the said cultural ties can be stronger than the actual ethnic, cultural, and political ties which the US [i]had[/i] maintained with the actual Ireland government? [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1313814801' post='2784871'] OOC: Using OOC to fight IC battles. [/quote] OOC: Isn't that what some other group of people have been doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentDavid Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1313813088' post='2784848'] The Republic of Japan is curious as to why, exactly, the tiny United States of the Islands are interfering with the decision made by Dalmatia and their efforts to secure peace in Ireland. Regardless of their geographical position, they were well within their rights to declare the territory part of their sovereign land and to attempt to govern the area until a new government can be installed to restore home rule in Ireland. The United States of the Islands is by no means the best qualified nation to attempt to maintain peace in Ireland. The USI currently governs a few small islands in the Irish and North Seas and by no means do they have the logistical capabilities to maintain an occupational force in Ireland large enough to ensure order in a country so much larger than their own. Not only does Dalmatia have an earlier, better claim, but they also have the capability to enforce their claim as well. OOC: Who gives a damn? He claimed it first. [/quote] "The United States of The Islands is an Irish Nation which resides in the British Isles. I myself, am the son of two Irish immigrants from Ireland just like President O'Reilly and thousands of other Islanders. Ireland is the ancestral homeland of nearly every single person who lives on the Island and a minority of the people who live in the Western Isles. Many of us have families in Ireland. And furthermore we will not tolerate a nation hundreds of miles away trying to control an Island that we can do perfectly on our own and probably without trouble since they are in fact our brethren. I have always regarded the Japanese people as a people of honor, trustworthiness, and reason. Do not prove me wrong now." -Vice President McNeil [quote name='king of cochin' timestamp='1313813255' post='2784850'] [u][b]Private to United States of the Islands[/b][/u] We want to assure you that you have the complete support from the Kingdom. We do not see Dalmatian move to invade Ireland as legitimate but we are not going to comment on it as of now. Try to solve this diplomatically but if it fails, do know that the Kingdom of Cochin is there to support you. Dalmatians are we believe acting with their neck too much extended but it is a neck that can be cut easily. Sd, KP Varma, Minister of External Affairs, Kingdom of Cochin [/quote] [b]Private To The Kingdom of Cochin[/b] "We thank you for your support. If things do start to get more 'hot' then we would like to request a few ships to be moved to Dublin, Belfast, and to the bay near Waterford in the south. All classified information will be given to you so that we can both benefit with it. We thank you for your help, and support." -Vice President McNeil Edited August 20, 2011 by PresidentDavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1313814801' post='2784871'] OOC: Using OOC to fight IC battles. And you wonder why the game is dying. [/quote] OOC: If you read the rest of my rant, you would see why the game is unpopular. You either play by the big guys' rules (who have formed one massive alliance for literally no reason), or you die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 OOC: I think there are many differing opinions on why the game is 'dieing', but I think we can all agree that this thread is not the place to air that out. We have the Court and OOC threads for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted August 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Operation: Deliverance The Imperial Military was built around the "stratetic deliverance" method, and this method was about to be fully displayed by the Imperial Airforce. This doctrine was fully displayed in the Imperial Airforce by the simple fact that the entire army was equipped with mechanize equipment. Upon receiving the order to deploy to Ireland, the military went into action. The entire fleet of heavy cargo lift aircraft were put on alert. The heaviest cargo lift aircraft of the Imperial Airforce were able to hold 44,000 pounds of equipment or 150 Paratroopers, depending on the configuration. In the end, the Imperial Airforce had placed over two thousand troops into the skies on these large transports, which were to be escorted by the Lu-67 fighter. Along the journey, these transports would be refueled and prepared for landings inside of Ireland, in order to secure it on the name of the Empire. Upon reaching Irish soil, the Imperial Airforce would begin large scale operations. Meanwhile in Ireland, a small force of around forty troops had already landed. These men, mostly under equipped, were landed to plan the flag of Dalmatia in Ireland. However, they were abruptly interrupted by the sound of foreign copters and jet fighters. They soon sent a secured tranmission to the Imperial Capital to let them know of the following developments, who then sent a foreign dispatch to The United States of The Islands. [b]Dispatch to the United States of The Islands[/b] [i]While we consider your move to secure Ireland to be commendable, we must remind you that are invading an Imperial Protectorate under the full protection of the Continental Empire of Dalmatia. Therefore, we must give you the following deadline. Failure to withdraw from Ireland will be considered an act of war on the Empire of Dalmatia. Furthermore, if any of your forces fire on our approaching troops, we will respond in a matter in which we deem appropriate. The decision is up to you.[/i] As soon as the message was dispatched. The entire Imperial Armed Forces went on alert. Military Divisions were brought up to full strength and the Imperial Aiforce began to take the appropriate measures to protect the nation's airspace. The nation's bomber force was also disbursed around the nation to prevent a complete crippling, incase of a preventive strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 The amphibious assets of Fort Anchengo are being tasked to USI command to help them in their deployment in Ireland. The Air transport squadrons in Fort Anchengo including the2 GN225s of Global Strike Force 202 are assisting USI in its deployments. The combat contingents of Fort Anchengo are holding back for the moment and waiting for USI's call of assistance if things get heated up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1313815155' post='2784873'] Could the Angevins explain the supposedly shared cultural heritage that is not based on a dynastical claim which has not been upheld for the past few centuries, and how the said cultural ties can be stronger than the actual ethnic, cultural, and political ties which the US [i]had[/i] maintained with the actual Ireland government? [/quote] "Yes, many in Ireland and in these Angevin lands share the same ancestors. It has little to do with dynasty. Those who confuse ethnicity, ancestry, and culture with politics and diplomatic ties need to return to studies of Social Demography." Remarked the King. "Additionally, mere proximity increases the interactions between peoples. Neighboring states are more likely to have intermingled families than those who are distant." Edited August 20, 2011 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 You have avoided our question. We're asking why you would have a better claim than the USI. We are perfectly fine with Angevin having a stake in Ireland, but to say it has a claim which is better than the USI seems to be delusion in our view, except for the possible backing of your protector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) "I would not say we have a better claim. I would say our claim is more or less equally valid in the terms of culture and legitimacy. Where our claim could be considered stronger is in terms of enforceability. I'd say if backed by our allies we have the stronger footing to commit to that protection. Quite frankly, we would not have to protect Ireland at all if people would simply leave them be. I am fully confident in Dalmatia protecting Ireland. I just don't think they need to do it when we can do it just as, if not more effectively. The logistics are easier. We are situated in such a fashion that we can deploy forces to deal with any domestic threat to the safety of the people of Ireland or any foreign threat on short notice and can provide a platform for other actors in Western Europe who wish to keep the region stable politically and geographically." "What Ireland needs right now is not an occupation by a military force, but moderate oversight and assistance in enforcing their own local and regional law until their national government can either reform or the people can conclude as to what destiny they want for themselves. The actions of the others involved with landing military forces and conducting overflights without permission in the current affairs of the Isle might constitute an unjustified invasion of Ireland. Think about it. Would you want foreign troops in your back yard?" Edited August 20, 2011 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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