Evangeline Anovilis Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 There's 140 pages in that third PDF file, you genuinely believe that someone should spend an hour reading something for a !@#$@#$ RP game? No, but it's no less of an authoritative source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I actually didn't expect you to know that information, hence why I told you when you expressed interest in dealing with the ASBM electro-magnetically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) The Apache Missile is not designed for B-1Rs, nor has it ever been used on that platform, but it can fit in the bay, as can a Patriot. Â The B-1R can easily fit the bay and has the mass to be carried by the B-1R. This is not a custom tech issue. This is a payload issue. The mounting of the B-1Rs by the apaches would be done in internal bays which would not affect aerodynamics and the B-1R has plenty of payload lift capacity to handle the bombs. That said, the apache is as viable on the B-1R as much as an Iron Bomb. Â Resorting to your opposition's methods does not help your own arguments. You don't need patriots on boats.. you need SM-3s. Edited October 29, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Â The B-1R can easily fit the bay and has the mass to be carried by the B-1R. This is not a custom tech issue. This is a payload issue. The mounting of the B-1Rs by the apaches would be done in internal bays which would not affect aerodynamics and the B-1R has plenty of payload lift capacity to handle the bombs. That said, the apache is as viable on the B-1R as much as an Iron Bomb. Â Resorting to your opposition's methods does not help your own arguments. You don't need patriots on boats.. you need SM-3s. Â Lol, you didn't read again did you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Lol, you didn't read again did you... You are correct as my primary point of my post was to advise that the B-1R can carry that load out. I was recommending the SM-3s to Mogar for ballistic protection in general, not against your specific attack. The only thing left against the DF-21D is point defense systems such as thel, cwis, and perhaps rim-116 sea-ram, all of which are questionable against the DF-21D.Out of curiosity, how are you targeting your DF-21Ds? Also, why can Mogar not intercept before you hit terminal? Edited October 29, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Mogar changing missile configuration is nonsense. Triyun ignoring being flanked is nonsense. Everybody downplaying their damage is nonsense. :popcorn:Â :popcorn:Â :popcorn:Â :popcorn:Â :popcorn:Â :popcorn:Â :popcorn:Â :popcorn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 *Steals some of Generalissimo's popcorn.. which is also nonsense!* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 *Steals some of Generalissimo's popcorn.. which is also nonsense!* There's enough Internet popcorn for everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 There's enough Internet popcorn for everyone! liar!/me readies the nukes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Hereno obviously thinks there is not enough.. so he is about to microwave more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) liar! /me readies the nukes Hereno obviously thinks there is not enough.. so he is about to microwave more! Hereno appears to have discovered best way of making popcorn     :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Edited October 29, 2014 by Generalissimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) You are correct as my primary point of my post was to advise that the B-1R can carry that load out. I was recommending the SM-3s to Mogar for ballistic protection in general, not against your specific attack. The only thing left against the DF-21D is point defense systems such as thel, cwis, and perhaps rim-116 sea-ram, all of which are questionable against the DF-21D. Out of curiosity, how are you targeting your DF-21Ds? Also, why can Mogar not intercept before you hit terminal? Â He did, the problem is it was inappropriate for countering me, hence why he wanted to go patriot. Â The DF-21-D once you locate a carrier can be guided on its own. Â This was made very easy by the launching of 90 super hornets from one point on the OTH as well as the copious presence of AWACs, UAVS, etc. Â The DF-21-D also does not have an exo-atmospheric mid course phase, this is the capability Aegis BMD was designed to counter. Â Edited October 29, 2014 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I wasn't aware your OTH can see through jamming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I wasn't aware jamming worked on OTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 From the wikipedia article about anti ship missiles. Â Â For example, over-the-horizon radars used to detect ships can be jammed, spoofed, or destroyed; smoke and other obscurants can be deployed when an imagery satellite, which follows a predictable orbit, is passing over a formation of ships; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yes but that's not something YOU have on the tactical jammers you brought with your fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 You're telling me Growlers can't jam Radar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm telling you growlers are not designed to jam all types of radar at all ranges. Â They are a tactical jammer, over the horizon radar are called over the horizon for a reason. Â Additionally your growlers were attacked by a fairly substantial attack, prior to the launch of the missiles. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) All you need to jam radar real good is a whole lot of metal strips in the air.. or a really large transmitter cranking out the watts on the same band. Also.. I thought hte DF-21D required some sat guidance. Didn't the Chinese crank some sats out in order to support them? Edited October 29, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'd hope my ships have Chaff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 By the time you jam a warhead on a DF-21 at the final phase, or a cruise missile, or whatever with chaff or anything else its to late if it even works. Â That's something you would learn if you read the links provided. Â Â As for jamming OTH radars, you'd need to go where they are, something too late right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 So again, I am expected to spend several hours reading about military technology I will never touch, for a RP in which extensive knowledge of military technology is one of the things the rules clearly state you should NOT need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestari Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well, if you're not going to read it, then I guess you're just gonna have to take his fuckin' word for it, ain't you? Unless you'd rather he pretend he doesn't know what he knows, for no reason other than because you're not willing to read some shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 No one made you start a war with Triyun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolph Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 No one made you start a war with Triyun. Are you seriously going to use that argument, Voodoo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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