On Pre-RP War Locking-Poll

[Subtleknifewielder]

Not sure how much of an interest there is in the subject, but since it was suggested to me and I thought it a good idea, I figured I'd throw it out there since there was a discussion on the issue in my locking thread.

There, this one's public.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Subtleknifewielder

[Subtleknifewielder]

Please note if you think there should be yet another option, post it please. I can't read minds

[Lynneth]

Case by case.

[Il Terra Di Agea]

Case by Case Basis.

Some people try to abuse the system on a regular basis, others have actual issues that need to take their attention away from the game. People who put RL first should not be punished,but if it becomes a regular issue for them, they shouldn't be in the game in the first place, if you ask me. RL trumps the game, but at a certain point, you are either to busy to play, or deliberately being inactive to get out of IC situations.

[Zoot Zoot]

case by case

[Voodoo Nova]

I'm with case-by-case as well. You can't predict all situations, so it works perfectly.

Edited August 14, 2010 by Voodoo Nova

[Subtleknifewielder]

Well well...I wasn't expecting the option I would have chosen to win, but this isn't what i expected either...hmm...

[Sargun II]

Obviously a case-by-case decision.

[Centurius]

Voted 5

[Yawoo]

Voted 2.

[loannes]

I voted 2, but they should be able to lock if they inform the other side first.

[Executive Minister]

Please change my uninformed vote of option 2 for option 5. No matter what, the potential for a legitimate RL issue supersedes all forum egos. If people have tarred the lock system in the past, let those people be tarred... do not impose that same brush on others... it seems real petty.

[Sargun II]

EM, you can easily delete your vote and change it, derp derp hurpa

[Executive Minister]

[quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1281845985' post='2416318']
EM, you can easily delete your vote and change it, derp derp hurpa
[/quote]

This seemed more dramatic and edgier.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

I view this poll as having no authority because it does not include the option:

Locks should be recognized when requested at all times.

RP does not dictate reality. It never should. That said, people should be able to request a lock if and when they need one regardless of their situation. Anything else is woefully disrespectful of the human condition. We are not machines.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Subtleknifewielder]

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1281888863' post='2416709']
I view this poll as having no authority because it does not include the option:

Locks should be recognized when requested at all times.

RP does not dictate reality. It never should. That said, people should be able to request a lock if and when they need one regardless of their situation. Anything else is woefully disrespectful of the human condition. We are not machines.
[/quote]
Mael...that would obviously be included in option 5, durr hurr...but I can include it if you wish.

Edited August 15, 2010 by Subtleknifewielder

[Maelstrom Vortex]

What I'm saying is there should be no poll. This is not a community decision. It's a fundamental right of the player and unquestionable.

The community has no authority to resolve that issue.

It's like if we took a poll on whether or not you are human and deserved to be treated as one.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Voodoo Nova]

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1281979254' post='2418026']
What I'm saying is there should be no poll. This is not a community decision. It's a fundamental right of the player and unquestionable.

The community has no authority to resolve that issue.

It's like if we took a poll on whether or not you are human and deserved to be treated as one.
[/quote]

You're comparing determining whether someone is human and the ability to lock your nation during/right before a war. You can't compare the two.

Who says the community has no authority to resolve the issue of locking abuse? Rightfully, on a case-by-case basis. End of story.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Voodoo Nova

[Justinian the Mighty]

I never understood the point in locking your nation, it just makes no sense to me. If I had to vote, and I didn't, but if I did I'd say case by case, unless you started the war.

[Subtleknifewielder]

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1281979254' post='2418026']
What I'm saying is there should be no poll. This is not a community decision. It's a fundamental right of the player and unquestionable.

The community has no authority to resolve that issue.

It's like if we took a poll on whether or not you are human and deserved to be treated as one.
[/quote]
That's not what you said before...

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1281888863' post='2416709']
[b]I view this poll as having no authority because it does not include the option:

Locks should be recognized when requested at all times.
[/b]
RP does not dictate reality. It never should. That said, people should be able to request a lock if and when they need one regardless of their situation. Anything else is woefully disrespectful of the human condition. We are not machines.
[/quote]
And saying the community has no authority is opening another can of worms. Nearly all of the 'rules' we use today are completely community-based, created by the community. The remaining have to do with those who operate the OOC help threads, or were handed down by Mods themselves.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Subtleknifewielder

[Maelstrom Vortex]

I say the poll doesn't have any authority because of the type of decision being made. People get sick. People have vacations. People have emergencies. We cannot override these. That is reality. Reality has precedence over RP, therefore locks should always be available at all times regardless as to what any poll says.

We're not all teenagers without responsibilities. Some of us have other things in life worth being more concerned about and the last thing we'll want to do is worry about our status on some forum.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1282000908' post='2418362']
We're not all teenagers without responsibilities. Some of us have other things in life worth being more concerned about and the last thing we'll want to do is worry about our status on some forum.
[/quote]

Suck it up.

[king of cochin]

In my opinion, if somebody has some RL constraints preventing them from carrying forward with an RP that is already underway or just about to be launched, they should be permitted a lock or freeze if they OOCly request their RP participants. Most of the players in CNRP community are decent people, we know that there are certain unsurmountable problems due to RL. People would willingly pause their RPs for considerable time. However this pausing would also be subject to the goodwill of either sides involved. People with a tendency to have a pattern of "RL problems" at the exact time of an RP, should not be given the leave way. Again it should be on case by case basis, adjudicated by the GMs. An all encompassing rule ruling either this way or that way would not solve the problem and only exacerbate the issue.

[Sir Keshav IV]

Case by case

[Voodoo Nova]

[quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' timestamp='1282000908' post='2418362']
I say the poll doesn't have any authority because of the type of decision being made. People get sick. People have vacations. People have emergencies. We cannot override these. That is reality. Reality has precedence over RP, therefore locks should always be available at all times regardless as to what any poll says.

We're not all teenagers without responsibilities. Some of us have other things in life worth being more concerned about and the last thing we'll want to do is worry about our status on some forum.
[/quote]

Hey Mael. Case-by-case covers this. Novel concept isn't it?